Bring back the Draft?

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by CrewDust, Dec 30, 2002.

  1. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  2. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    i guess i would be mandatorily moving to New Zealand or Australia then.
     
  3. Tony Ebola

    Tony Ebola Red Card

    Jan 17, 2001
    Draft beer,
    Not me
     
  4. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    What a cynical strategy! Rangel to introduce military service legislation he completely doesn't believe in as a means to try to gain talking points over the Administration.

    This is the type of tactical political positioning that make people want to blow up Congress and start with a new set of representatives.

    But what does Rangel care - he'll get to build a monument to himself as the token liberal voice on CNBC and there's no chance of his not being re-elected.

    Leadership - NOT!!
     
  5. angus_hooligan

    angus_hooligan New Member

    May 15, 2001
    Chicago
    I think that in this country all males are required by law to register for the draft once they've turned 18. Which leads me to believe that the draft is still alive.

    I think what Rep. Charles Rangel is trying to introduce is Conscription.
     
  6. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Mandatory my ass, there's nothing mandatory about taking your draft-dodging ass to some other country because you won't stand up for yours.

    As for the draft, I think some sort of national service should be mandatory for a year or 2, altho people should be able to choose from the military, police, fire, Peace Corps, volunteering in a hospital, etc. Altho this guy admittedly doesnt believe in it and is a hypocrite.


    Alex
     
  7. monop_poly

    monop_poly Member

    May 17, 2002
    Chicago
    Socialist. :D
     
  8. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Lol, yeah right!


    Alex
     
  9. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Look, there is no freaking shortage of people voluntarily signing up for the military, so why make me? I will gladly lend a hand to whatever cause (and do volunteer regularly...Habitat for Humanity, etc.), but not military combat. Somebody invades over here, that might be a different story...until then call me Radar O'reilley.

    I have no problem with national service, but that doesn't have to be in the military.
     
  10. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Not signing up for the military is one thing, running off to another country to avoid a draft is quite another. Do you think the majority of people who fought in WW2 wanted to go to war?


    Alex
     
  11. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    If you have average inteligence or any education, you can get a position besides being a rifleman. Even in war the majority of people in a front line division do not have direct combat roles (although being a medic or engineer or the like will probably put you in a dangerous place anyway).
     
  12. wcgcapone

    wcgcapone Member

    Feb 6, 2001
    Denver, CO, USA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am in no way shape or form a conscientious objector, however that being said, I refuse to go to a foreign land as a tool of policy. I would be the first to gladly lay my life down defending American soil. However I feel that I have no business invading anywhere.
     
  13. minorthreat

    minorthreat Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    NYC
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    What enormous hypocrisy on the part of the baby boomers a reinstitution of the draft would be. They talk of how terrible the Vietnam era was, how everyone knew someone that died there and how so many of them protested against it, and yet they'd be willing to inflict it on their own children?
     
  14. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Military service is for people not smart enough to go to college and get a degree. Let them fight in foreign lands and opress foreign people, since they're not good for anything else.
     
  15. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    What's the matter, did your sorry ass get laughed out of the recruiting station?

    Unless you can fix and maintain a nuclear reactor, design a new air-to-air missile, design tactics that will allow you to take out a hideout containing dozens of bad guys with 5 other men, etc, don't call military personnel stupid.


    Alex
     
  16. minorthreat

    minorthreat Member

    Jan 1, 2001
    NYC
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    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    Spain
    Neither of these are normally done by military personnel, you realize.
     
  17. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    See above. All these things are actually done by people who took the time to go to school. No one is forced to enlist nowadays and people choose their own path in life, so don't complain when you return from war and I spit on you. Could've studied engineering.
     
  18. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    Don't complain when he knocks your teeth through the back of your head when you try.

    PS-ROTC. West Point. Annapolis. USAFA. All examples of a way to get educated AND serve your country. Implying they're mutually exclusive is asinine.
     
  19. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    I wouldn't expect any less. Quick fists, rather than a quick mind, seem to be the weapon of choice of inbred hicks, high-school dropouts and other social deviants.

    Yeah, so many great physycists, biologists, writers and historians have come out of those schools. Oh, wait, no they didn't.

    Whatever. Give a man a gun and tell him to go kill another man and all of a sudden we're all forced to respect him. Give a man a book and tell him to teach kids and he'll be underpaid, underappreciated and overworked. Must be because shooting and getting shot at is such a complicated thing only the selected few can do it. A soldier is nothing more than a bully who couldn't beat his way to an education.
     
  20. Shabs

    Shabs Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    NYC
    This is laughable. You say you'll spit on someone without provokation, but if that person retaliates, he's an "inbred hick, high-school dropout and other social deviant". You're a close minded, prejudiced coward. You're not worth arguing with.
     
  21. el_urchinio

    el_urchinio Member

    Jun 6, 2002
    Are you an idiot or something? Of course I didn't mean in literally, for fvck's sake. I meant that if you don't get a parade they've promised you and instead, people ridicule you for fighting for dubious causes, you should blame yourself.
     
  22. angus_hooligan

    angus_hooligan New Member

    May 15, 2001
    Chicago
    The US Navy has nuclear reactors on their 'Nuclear' powered Aircraft Carriers and Submarines. Those nuclear reactors are maintained and operated by military personnel. To be an officer in the US military you are required to have a Bachelors degree from an accredited institution. However, there is the exception for the battlefield commission. The enlisted are required to have High School/GED degrees.

    el_urchinio, if you are attacked by a Pit Bull are you going to try and talk your way out of the attack with that dog or would you fight back?

    The intellectual knows that there is not always a peaceful answer to everything.
     
  23. nicodemus

    nicodemus Member+

    Sep 3, 2001
    Cidade Mágica
    Club:
    PAOK Saloniki
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm basing my avoiding a draft mentality on my uncle's POW experience in Vietnam. His getting the crap kicked out of him daily for several years has kind of given my family an aversion to participation in the military.
     
  24. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    So you're saying it was okay for veterans of the Vietnam War to be spat upon when returning to this country? That they had nobody to blame for their predicament but themselves?
     
  25. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    Spitting on other people.....what a classy guy you are. Just don't complain if you spit on someone, they beat the living crap out of you, and a jury is very unsympathetic to your pathetic 'cause'.
     

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