Brian Hall will be the ref on Sunday.

Discussion in 'New England Revolution' started by stinky, Oct 4, 2002.

  1. stinky

    stinky Member

    May 14, 2000
    Long Beach, NY
    school is in. witness brian treat players like children. scold them and make calls that make sure the camera remains on him.

    good luck.

    stinky
     
  2. Rev-eler

    Rev-eler Member

    Feb 13, 2000
    San Francisco
    i'll take hall over stott, valenzuela, and st. silva "6 days a week and twice on sundays"
    ;)
     
  3. JohnnyRev

    JohnnyRev Member

    Feb 23, 2001
    Boston, MA
    who reffed the Colorado game, when TnT had to leave the stadium on crutches, he was hacked so many times?
     
  4. CrewToon

    CrewToon Member

    Jun 13, 1999
    Greenbrier Farm
    Ya know, it wasn't so long that everyone thought Hall was the worst ref in the history of organized soccer...

    ...but after the bozos we've seen this year in MLS, and after his showing in K/J, Hall isn't so bad.
     
  5. glennmcdonald

    glennmcdonald Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Estonia
    And who would you prefer?
     
  6. Rev-eler

    Rev-eler Member

    Feb 13, 2000
    San Francisco
    when i saw the release on hall's call up to the w.c.....i couldn't believe it. i thought "this, this is the best we have to offer?" (then i found out it was mostly a "senority" thing) however, he had an okay go of it over there. when he came back....i still thought he didn't do a very good mls job, and for the most part, still don't like his games too much. i'd still take him over the "stripe force" of those other three. hmmm.....i'm imagining a military/data oriented/star treky type of commercial now about refs mucking things up due to lack of basic judgement skills and the nonexistence of foresight by the league at the season's inception and lack of ref management during the season....."mission accomplished"
     
  7. Rev-eler

    Rev-eler Member

    Feb 13, 2000
    San Francisco
    bring back sandra hunt!!
    :)
     
  8. AndrewGK

    AndrewGK New Member

    Apr 12, 1999
    Dublin, Ohio, USA
    It is TRULY a sad thing when Brian Hall ranks as one of the better referees in MLS. :(

    The current real Hall of Shame includes Gus St. Silva, Noel Kenny, and Rich "Red Card" Grady.
     
  9. Jon Martin

    Jon Martin Member+

    Apr 25, 2000
    SE Mass
    And don't forget the Anti-Collina, that bum Valenzuela.
     
  10. AndrewGK

    AndrewGK New Member

    Apr 12, 1999
    Dublin, Ohio, USA
    I don't think Valenzuela is AS bad as those genetic anomalies I listed though ...

    If St. Silva is STILL able to ref MLS matches next year after his "performance" this year, I'm going to be pretty pissed. :mad:
     
  11. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Andy,

    St. Silva and Kenny admittedly have had bad years (or, more specifically, a few bad games), but what's your beef with Grady? Yes, he has a reputation for having more red cards than most (I'd actually like to see statistics on it) but is that necessarily a bad thing?

    There seems to be two completely divergent schools of thought on refereeing from the fans perspective: Either referees can't involve themselves in deciding matches at all, or that they need to stamp out violence and nasty tackles and issue more red cards to do it. After matches, on these boards, you it seems like always either hear some fans talking about how a ref 'ruined' a match with an early red card, or that he 'ruined' a match because he wasn't willing to use the red card when the marquee players were being brutalized throughout the match. It's a lose-lose situation, and some fans on here even have the audacity to complain about both types of refereeing.

    I agree that refs shouldn't alter the outcome of matches with poor calls, but if Grady is consistent--and if you've truly watched him a lot then you know that he is--then what's the problem with him having a lower threshold for violence and serious foul play than other refs? Matches that Grady officiates, in my opinion, usually tend to have some of the most enjoyable, free-flowing attacking soccer in them. So long as he's not inventing red cards or giving false penalties, and he's consistent in a given match, I don't think you can have too many complaints about Grady. I truly think, especially since the last Pan-Am games, that he's got a reputation he doesn't deserve. And that, overall, he's one of the better referees in the United States.
     
  12. glennmcdonald

    glennmcdonald Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Estonia
    I believe the two schools of thought on fan referee assessment can be more simply characterized as "That last ref is the worst ref in the world" and "That next ref is the worst ref in the world".

    Seriously, here's everybody who has refereed an MLS game in the past two years:

    Anno, Jasen
    Barnes, Andrew
    Bazakos, Elias P
    Corrie, Gerry
    Grady, Rich
    Hall, Brian
    Heron, Richard
    Johnson, Jesse W
    Kennedy, Michael
    Kenny, Noel
    Kokolski, Peter
    Marrufo, Jair
    Prus, Arkadiusz
    Rutty, Reggie
    Saheli, Ali
    Salazar, Ricardo
    Sill, Roger
    Simmons, Erich
    St. Silva, Agusto
    Stott, Kevin
    Tamberino, Paul
    Terry, Kevin
    Valenzuela, Ricardo
    Vaughn, Terry W
    Vega, Sergio
    Weyland, Tim
    Yonan, Marcel

    Now, go ahead and line up to say some of these guys are useless, but I want to know which ones you think are better.
     
  13. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that, right now, the best referees are:

    Stott
    Hall
    Grady
    Kennedy
    Prus
    Simmons
    Vaughn
    Terry (on current form)

    Also, as an aside, of the referees you mentioned, the following have been removed from the pool:

    Barnes
    Kenny
    Sill
    Vega
    Yonan

    And, the following have retired:
    Tamberino
    Weyland

    So, despite what some think, there is turnover in the leagues officials when there are poor performances. Luckily, there is no referee union, like in other sports, so officials can be canned based on performance. Just to illustrate what turnover has led to, the following are the group of officials who have more or less 'replaced' those that have been removed:

    Anno
    Bazakos
    Johnson
    Marrufo
    Salazar
    Simmons
    Vaughn

    In other words, if you want to objectively determine whether or not MLS is making progress, then compare the last group I just mentioned to the second group I listed. I, personally, see improvement.
     
  14. Danizinho

    Danizinho New Member

    Jul 7, 2000
    Two words: Essie Baharmast
     
  15. glennmcdonald

    glennmcdonald Member

    Mar 18, 2000
    Cambridge, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    Estonia
    Esse Baharmast is now, of course, Director of Advanced and International Referee Development for US Soccer, and thus effectively responsible for the quality of all MLS refereeing.
     
  16. George Griffin

    George Griffin New Member

    Feb 18, 1999
    Prince Edward Island
    GQuick, get the rope, tar and feathers.
     
  17. Rev-eler

    Rev-eler Member

    Feb 13, 2000
    San Francisco
    wow....just pulled this off the crew message board.

    ...i'm speechless.
     
  18. MassachusettsRef

    MassachusettsRef Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 30, 2001
    Washington, DC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Why? These awards are nominated and voted on by the players and coaches. Maybe it should tell the fans something about what the players/coaches think of referees.

    For example, Stott is an excellent referee, and is a highly regarded international referee. It is almost a foregone conclusion that he will be the USA's representative at the 2006 WC, and he is also age eligible for the 2010 WC, as well. Because of that, there's a very good chance he could see two WCs and become the most decorated USA referee ever. To read these boards though, you'd think he's a cancer on the game in most fans' eyes.

    And if it's not Stott you're speechless about, then who is it? Hall? I think he proved his doubters this year both in MLS and at the World Cup? Terry? The only knock on him has been his fitness, and I think he's taken care of that 'problem'.

    If these aren't the 3 best referees in MLS, who are in your opinion? I personally think Simmons is (or at least will be) better than Terry, but he's too inexperienced to be considered for the award.
     

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