Brian Gutiérrez Career Nutrider/Deathwatch Thread

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by bunge, Aug 31, 2024.

  1. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I thought he had a very good game and maybe second best to Guti but an 8 doesn’t really make sense.
     
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  2. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Yep!
     
  3. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
  4. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
  5. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well that’s 2 in a row. Tell the truth, do you really think 9.8 and 9.6 are justified?
     
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  6. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Update- 3 in a row. Answer the question please.
     
  7. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    :rolleyes:
     
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  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    His first 60 minutes were fantastic. The last 20 minutes, not so much.
     
  9. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    No, the measures are over weighting goals…they likely are simple +1 for each

    Numbers aside, it was a clear step up and MOTM game
     
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  10. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Ok. So we agree. He had a great game but the ratings were too high. No problem.
     
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  11. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Stupidity in ratings.

    If a guy scores a hat trick, would he get a 12 out of 10??
     
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  12. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Depends upon whether he worked for government or not. Ignore that comment.
    However, I have been skeptical of rating systems since 1962.
     
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  13. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    The thing is, the ratings algorithm is the algorithm…so all players are rated the same way…better performances are rated higher than lesser performances.

    Guti had the type of night that will keep his trajectory rising and likely not here much longer. I’m hoping for 1 more year (through til 2026 summer window) but that is (only) best case for local fans.
     
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  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    The thing is, the ratings algorithm is clearly wrong and stupid.
     
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  15. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It matters if he does this 7 of 10 matches or only 1 of 10.
     
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  16. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The accuracy and weighting of the algorithm does matter.
    What if it deducted 1 point for every foul committed by the player? Or maybe adds 1 point for every slide tackle? Or…Or…Or…..
    The results could/would be much different under different “rules”.
    “Better” or “Lesser” is defined by the ratings algorithm, for better or worse.
     
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  17. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

    Mar 25, 2010
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I am not truly certain an algorithm is actually used...I suspect someone just...rates as they see fit. Heck I would...but I tend to rate as a 5 is completely average game.
     
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  18. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
  19. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Of course, recall the chatter about the trend since injury. Looking forward to the rest of this road trip.

    Missing the point. I posted 3 different algorithms and their ratings of Guti weren’t that different from each other. And the relative performance between the rest of players were rated similarly. So…be it a 6, 7, 8, or 9, who cares?! Why argue over what should be an 8 when the whole point is relative measure. is
    Is there anyone that should have rated higher than Guti in that game?
    Answer the question please:rolleyes:
     
  20. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Ha! Some of y’all are going to love this one….
    upload_2025-5-18_0-2-28.png

    I mean he wasn’t perfect!10!:laugh:
    upload_2025-5-18_0-5-40.png
     
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  21. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    That is not true.
    Per the Chicago Fire/MLS website:
    15 goals
    5 assists

    Are they claiming two points for a goal?!?
     
  22. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I think Mapp started at 19 years old while Brian started at 16 years old. What a stupid star without analysis.
     
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  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Here’s another one:

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    :rolleyes:
     
  24. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
  25. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Nobody should have been rated higher this match but an unsound system can give incorrect results.
     
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