Brian Gutiérrez Career Nutrider/Deathwatch Thread

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  1. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    A little, but not a lot…

    3 of the 4 most expensive players on the team, and Gutman who is probably top 5 in the league for his position.

    Plus it might be simply because of the ejection.
     
  2. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Gutman top 5? Really? That’s a shock to me but I’ll take it.

    As for the ejection knocking him of the marketing? I don’t think that makes any sense.
     
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  3. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    That leaves…a departure is pending…or it’s just marketing rotation…wasn’t long ago that
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  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    I only mentioned his disappearance as a sarcastic joke because you post every player score when they’re positive but don’t bother if they’re bad. That kind of bias is unfortunate.
     
  5. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    For little old me?!
    Rent free in your head!:ROFLMAO:
     
  6. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    No, for everyone. But you need it most.
     
  7. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Come ye, come all, Guti has been dropped from this week’s marketing machine output :barefoot:
     
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  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    How many points does that knock off his game score?
     
  9. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    More delta than reasonable! Just like when he’s good lol
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  10. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gutierrez rating looks about right to me. (On a relative scale, they are all a little high).
    Elliott?
     
  11. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Everyone should get an extra 1.5 because of having to play on that shitty field.
     
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  12. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    A 5.2 for a player managed 31 minutes before being red carded and had little impact on the match during those 31 minutes, is ridiculous.
     
  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    No, rating players without a control group is ridiculous.

    If we assume, and we must because there is no known standard, a 5 is completely average on a scale of 10, then Guti had an above average game.
     
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  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Exactly my point the other day.

    Is the scale 1-10, with 5 as average?

    If so, his rating (.2 points above average) makes no sense.

    Is it like letter grades, where a 7(0) is "average"?

    If so, then 1.8 points below average is still too high, but not as ridiculous.
     
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  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    A 7 as average makes no sense of course.
     
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  16. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
  17. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    #292 xtomx, May 29, 2025
    Last edited: May 29, 2025
    That is just very, very sad.

    What this means is that Sofascore (a stupid name, anyway) ratings are completely and totally void of any meaning or usefulness.

    Also, this means that Brian Gutierrez playing just 31 minutes, contributing almost nothing positive (in terms of scoring or assists) and picking up a red card was a mere 1.2 below the statistical mode
    and
    a scandalous 1.5 below the starting point.
     
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  18. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That’s the graph I saw. Not a bell curve because it grades with an emphasis on giving more value than it takes a way.

    I assume everyone would be bored by 90% of the players showing up between 6-7 with 6.5 being the median and Sofascore wouldn’t make any money.
     
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  19. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    JD Vance disagrees!
     
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  20. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    That's sofascore and
    not, repeat NOT, score with a sofa!!! :eek:;)
     
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  21. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Bell curve? Do you believe the players have a normal distribution of performance?

    I'm ok with a measure that starts from a nominal and adjust with positives and negatives...and actually enjoy reviewing the output vs 'the eye test'.

    That said, the 'judgements' cast...nicely done gents.
    Ridiculous, Makes no sense of course, Sad, Stupid name, Void of any meaning, Bored, Scandalous!
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    This 'stats chat' is not really about Guti...can we move further chat on this topic to the stats thread.
     
  22. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I did move the discussion there.
     
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  23. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000


    "Gutiérrez put his side in a tough spot against NYCFC when he was sent off in the first half after elbowing Aiden O’Neill in the face. Gregg Berhalter noted during media availability that Gutiérrez apologized to the team this week for that act."

    Time to move on.
     
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  24. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Sep 6, 2001
    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Young Brian G, at the tender age of 21, demonstrating more maturity and reason than some of the posters here!

    Definitely time to move on.
     
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  25. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Despite missing 2 games (for red cards:(), with last nights goal, at mid-season Guti now has more goals than all of last season....or any season he's played!:thumbsup:
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