Brian Gutiérrez Career Nutrider/Deathwatch Thread

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  1. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
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  2. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    MOTM against Charlotte
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  3. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    https://www.mlssoccer.com/news/what-we-learned-orlando-city-are-legit-marco-reus-rescues-la-galaxy

    Gutiérrez has been a year away from being a year away since 2021. The 21-year-old has long been a useful MLS player, but we’ve all been waiting for him to make the leap in midfield. Don’t look now, but that's unfolding before our eyes.

    Playing not quite as a No. 10 and not quite as a No. 8, Gutiérrez has thrived in his fluid role on the left side of Berhalter’s midfield trio. He's blossoming as a goal threat and taking higher-quality shots, all while upping his progressive passing and defensive actions. Fresh off the best game of his career with two goals and an assist in a 4-1 win at Charlotte FC, the homegrown US international is thriving – and doesn’t show signs of slowing down.
     
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  4. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    That sums things up nicely.
     
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  5. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    There were unreasonable expectations…
    This year things are aligned better than ever…
     
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  6. goldclover

    goldclover Member+

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    Unless he gets injured this year is a 'no excuses' year.
     
  7. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    That's nonsense.

    He has three non-penalty goals in the season, two the first match of the season and this past weekend, and two penalties.

    He also missed the sitter of all sitters.

    Again, I am encouraged, but what the article states is just silly.
     
  8. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    He had probably his best game ever so everyone gets excited and to get clicks, writers jump on board with popular opinion. They claim he’s taking better shots but he had some stinkers this game but then scored. I think that’s pretty normal for him but saying that doesn’t encourage clicks.
     
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  9. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
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    No, they were not. What was unreasonable?
     
  10. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    It’s not the total, it’s the Per90 that is garnering the attention….

    Here’s an article from late March…note how many midfielders are above 0.37xG/90
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    Note Guti’s Per90G-PK has doubled two years in a row and are now higher than his npxG

    upload_2025-5-19_20-8-17.png

    Clearly there is much more to deliver this level of performance throughout the season…this is what Guti and many of us have been looking forward to!

    Hope he stays healthy and delivers his best season yet!:thumbsup:
     
  11. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Do you really want to dig up ‘the Shaq years’?
     
  12. harrylee773

    harrylee773 Member+

    Jul 28, 2004
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    This is nonsense. There are other measures of quality besides goals scored, and we can’t make fun of the dopey concept that penalty goals don’t count while then excluding them to try to prove a point.
     
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  13. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    Sure!

    He learned from one of the greats. Shaq’s legacy lives on!
     
  14. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
    Club:
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    The whole article is nonsense.

    I am NOT excluding penalties. Actually, I guess I did, but that was not my intent. Thanks for pointing that out, Harry!

    I was highlighting the stupidity of denigrating them.

    The people around here who have been discounting penalties have been suspiciously quiet about young Brian G "padding his stats" by scoring 40% of his goals this season from the penalty spot.

    Apparently, penalties count only when "their guy" scores them!

    Of course, I am thrilled Brian G is scoring goals (regardless of what "type" they all count the same, of course!), and we need him to score consistently.
    With no second striker, we need Gutierrez and Zinckernagel to carry the load.

    I'd like to see him setting up some goals, as well.

    Basically, Brian G doing well should mean the Fire doing well.

    But let's temper the hype train a bit.
     
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  15. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
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  16. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    No reason to hype excessively, but at least enjoy that the Fire have players that are making TOTW and being talked about.

    And this week, let's enjoy that Guti played like he did on Saturday:thumbsup:
     
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  17. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Y'all are so anchored you can't have rational discourse...
    The article posted above is specifically about npG because the taker is not decided by a player's actions on the pitch.
    The Guti FBref stats highlighted are npG because the 'in play' goals are much more apples to apples...and the Per90 makes it meaningfully more so.

    Our HG is improving and yall can't not sh!t on it.

    I'm fulling expecting the next red herring will be xG...and more wrong thread Shaq Nutriding/trolling:rolleyes:
     
  18. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    I am and I do

    No need to "hype excessively" and yet you post this crap?:
    That is simply dumb.
    1) "late March" is f'ing meaningless. That was just a few matches into the season.

    2) If you had posted that on Saturday afternoon, "Guti’s Per90G-PK" would NOT have doubled "two years in a row."

    That is the most ridiculous cherry-picking of stats imaginable.

    Let's see what happens between now and the end of the season. We ALL want him to do well. We are paying him like a star, he needs to play like one, every (well, almost every) match.
     
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  19. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    I am not shitting on it, as I have said consistently.
    In pretty much every post I have explained that I am happy that he is improving.

    xG is f'cking stupid, as I have said for years.
     
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  20. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    This is the Guti Nutriding thread and your sh!t on it response was ‘that’s nonsense. he has 3 npG”

    It’s not cherry picking, it’s where we are.
    Per90 normalized the data no matter where you are in the season and accounts for players missing games for things like camp cupcake and injury.

    Now you are ok with including money in the discussion? Thats rich! I’ll

    Ill pull those numbers in a bit lol
     
  21. xtomx

    xtomx Member+

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    Northern Wisconsin, but not far from civilization
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    Simmer down there, tiger.

    You accuse me of things I have not written and, apparently, do not read what I did.

    Which is fine, but your anger is getting the better if you, once again.
     
  22. schroncar

    schroncar Member+

    Chicago Fire
    Mar 2, 2007
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    Guys, Guys! The team is playing better, most players are playing better. Be happy!
     
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  23. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
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    May 2, 2022
    I’m happy until the wet blankets come trolling…

    GGG’s post game speech and game ball granting is a perfect example of how the team viewed Guti’s performance this week!
     
  24. milicz

    milicz Member+

    Dec 2, 2001
    Club:
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    Again, not sure what was unreasonable with expectations of Guti in the past?
     
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  25. overlap_old_coach

    Chicago Fire
    United States
    May 2, 2022
    Things like expecting a 19yr old HG to play as well (or better! lol) than a club record signing that ‘starred’ in the EPL and World Cups.:rolleyes:
     

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