Brenden Aaronson

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  1. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I’m guessing that the edit above is more reflective of reality.
     
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  2. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    I think Brenden would have been a lot better with a striker who could score. He was bought partially for now but partially for the future in mind; I think $30M price tag makes him a target, but Leeds had a bunch of acquisitions that didn't contribute.

    Wes wasn't good. But Leeds under Marsch had good underlyings, and I'm not convinced he should get a lot of blame on the coaching side.

    The big thins isn't really anti-Americanism, I don't think -- they just have a hard time criticizing anyone who was there when they came up.
     
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  3. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    I have seen very few relegations where there wasn’t anger at someone.

    That’s the wonderful passion of Europe! Right?;)
     
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  4. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They like the promotion part of the pro/rel.
     
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  5. Ray Shoesmith

    Ray Shoesmith Member+

    Valencia
    United States
    Nov 14, 2021
    It’s always foreign fans with love the relegation battles also. THey enjoy watching the pain of others.

    Of course the teams they support are always the ones at the top. Go figure.
     
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  6. ChrisSSBB

    ChrisSSBB Member+

    Jun 22, 2005
    DE
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Played a good part in getting them promoted so there is some goodwill there. Along with their assessment of his level.
     
  7. Reccossu

    Reccossu Member+

    Jan 31, 2005
    Birmingham
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  8. xbhaskarx

    xbhaskarx Member+

    San Jose Earthquakes
    United States
    Feb 13, 2010
    NorCal
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I hope Brenden Aaronson's parents don't do a search for his name on social media just now :cry:
    https://x.com/search?q=Brenden Aaronson&src=typed_query&f=live








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  9. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    You could start your dialogue with fotmob who gave Aaronson USA' s MOTM

    Mexico vs USA - live score, predicted lineups and H2H stats (fotmob.com)
     
  10. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    I missed the match so I Googled the player ratings last night. The first two sets of ratings were like mirror images of one another. That said, BA has always been physically weak on the ball, and has yet to develop the touches or savvy to compensate for it against capable opposition.
     
  11. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    When Brenden came out for the second half, after getting decked in the FH, I noticed he moved fast on his first touch, thus evaded an NFL "block in the back". Poch needs to get with Paredes when he comes in and work with him to avoid any hesitancy in movement because Paredes' next step will be to move more into midfield (wb's are really mids, if u ask me, in the 3421).

    Brenden just played 90' in the last game of a 5 game series.

    Sep 28 - 90'
    Oct 1 - 90'
    Oct 4 - 90'
    Fly T/A - join USA camp in Florida, fly to Austin for
    Oct 12 - 78' (Panama)
    Oct 15 - 90' (Mexico in Guadalajara sitting at 5000ft, same as mile-high in Denver, except the pitch was bad - looked slow for one thing)

    5 games in 17 days with international travel between and 90' per game except one game 78'.

    Looks like we've got ourselves a tournament player.
     
  12. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I thought Aaronson was poor but the others in that line of 3, Tillman and Musah, were so completely nonexistent that it seems a bit harsh to single him out as the problem.
     
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  13. S.J. Jim

    S.J. Jim Member+

    Jun 11, 2006
    S.J.
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Agree, I don't think Aaronson was THE problem, but he was most certainly a problem in this match. Considering the overall performance Aaronson gave, I think I would have preferred him to have been completely nonexistent (exaggerating here, but only slightly). I listened to the Total Soccer Show (podcast) today, and they saw the same things from BA that I saw. It will be interesting to see if Poch can help him improve his effectiveness, or whether he phases him out. I feel like I've seen enough, but then there's always that nagging issue of our (lack of) depth of real talent.
     
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  14. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It doesn't help you to cite TSS because they are insanely biased. They went straight from criticizing Aaronson for not being able to control the ball initially to excusing Sargent because of the field. Joe Lowery's a huge agenda-pusher. He went on a crusade against Pepi for his XG while playing for a relegation team, which magically flipped for PSV.

    Aaronson had 3 key passes, which was infinitely more than anyone in the starting lineup (combined). He played the cheeky thru ball to Vazquez. BA wasn't tethered to midfield (which was a Poch tactical mistake), so he was in more of a creative/free role, thus to do that in a game where we had so little progression/joy indicates he was more part of the solution than problem.

    It's quite foolish to talk about discarding a player off a game where we had virtually a full b-team, a suspect setup, questionable field, & hometown refs who allowed very physical play.

    Even when Aaronson was in the midst of his year of bad form he slotted in CM for the Nations' League final & contributed to that victory. Flaws and all, w/out doubt he has his uses on the roster when he's even out of the funk. He could use better teammates & managerial performance.
     
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  15. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If Reyna hit that throughball, people would have talked about it nonstop. On a bad day, BA was the only one in the starting attacking group who did anything.

    I think people don't like the visuals of him being run over more than the actual affects on the game.
     
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  16. S.J. Jim

    S.J. Jim Member+

    Jun 11, 2006
    S.J.
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Well, just about everybody is biased in one way or another. You seem to be biased against Lowery and TSS, for example. Bottom line, TSS's descriptions of Aaronson's shortcomings in this game matched up quite closely with what I saw myself. Didn't come across as biased at all, to me. Maybe I'll listen again and see if I hear anything that sounds inaccurate or unfair.

    I saw the same good passes that you saw, and I mentioned that here in an earlier post. I do understand the positive contributions he made, but that doesn't cancel out what I saw as a performance that was overall very (very) poor. Both things can exist together.

    Very, very weak. First of all, I'm not basing my "I've seen enough" (just my personal view) off of this one game. Why you would jump to that conclusion, I have no idea. Kind of "foolish" to do that. A "questionable field"... are you even serious? Poor Brenden. I guess they should have let him play on the better part of the field like everybody else in that game who wasn't turning the ball over left and right. Full B team... yeah, and that's probably Aaronson's ceiling, imo. Again, poor Brenden, blame his performance on the B teamers who are so clearly beneath him. Hometown refs who allowed physical play. Again, everybody else on the field was playing with the same ref. If Aaronson wasn't so easily dominated physically, maybe he wouldn't have stood out so negatively. That's part of the problem with him (obviously).

    Oh, please. He's responsible for holding up his own end of the responsibility of being a national team player. How about the part where his teammates could use better performance from him? It's silly to defend his performance with a comment like that (bolded).
     
  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    There's a reason Brenden Aaronson is in the Championship.

    There's a reason Aaronson played 4 minutes in the Copa America and started neither the semi or final of the most recent Nations League. When the games mattered the most this cycle, he's been a rotation player.

    We had so many players out that Aaronson had a key role in this camp. We know what kind of player he is by now. The one thing we can say is the guy will absolutely work his tail off for this team. Run himself into the group. He has attributes that will interest Pochettino off the bench.
     
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  18. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
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    I agree that Aaronson was tasked with trying to generate some attacks, so he's not really as expected to just keep the ball safe. You take chances and you'll lose it some. But, the sheer number of times he lost it makes it a poor performance for me. I saw a stat that he lost the ball 19 times and that doesn't sound much off to me from watching. That's too much regardless of position. Looked like a combination of getting pushed around and bad touches. But again, no one else was clearly better along that front line. I think we're in trouble if our main creative engine for a big game is Aaronson, but he brings energy off the bench, works himself to death and I can see him hanging around as a role player.
     
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  19. Mahtzo1

    Mahtzo1 Member+

    Jan 15, 2007
    So Cal
    Aaronson is not the creative force that you want to run the offense. Period.
    That doesn’t mean he can’t be useful. He has played an important role for us at times in the past but, imo, it needs to be a focused and well defined role.
     
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  20. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Bias isn't making a critique of someone. It shows up in double-standards & omissions of evidence. I showed you one case. Another was Lowery, to further excuse Sargent, said bringing in Vazquez didn't change anything. When it absolutely did. He brought a target. Lowery was fitting a narrative. Part of that was factoring in the field for Sargent but not Aaronson.

    IDK if both things can exist together, because he was thrust into a more creative role. The main ball progression should have been on the 6 & 8. They had bigger issues. Though part of the problem was only putting 2 guys in there instead of 3 given their deficiencies & an opponent who'd put up a lot of resistance naturally.

    The other areas of their games were defense. Aaronson's better at pressuring opponents & he actually won far more duals (10) & balls (4) than both Morris (3/2) & Busio (6/3). Musah actually managed 0 of either (lol).

    This is the final straw, at minimum. And it was in the game he had less issues than just about anybody. So put pandora back in the box.

    And as aforementioned, you brought up TSS, who used the field for Sargent but not Aaronson. Take it up w/ them.

    He doesn't overall have to excuse his play relative to his teammates who he's competing with 2nd unit spots for.

    As you saw, I already refuted this argument.
     
  21. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Cuz he was under contract w/ Leeds (who acquired him for 35m when they were in the EPL), so he had to leave a Bundesliga club where he was considered arguably their best player by the end?
     
  22. S.J. Jim

    S.J. Jim Member+

    Jun 11, 2006
    S.J.
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know what bias means. You doubling down on your perceived issue with Lowery and TSS doesn't prove anything (to me, at least), you're just repeating what I've already responded to. I stand by my response, which I thought was very reasonable and logical.

    A player can make several positive plays, and (arguably, because it's subjective) be the best attacking player for us in a given game; and yet still have a very poor overall performance (as the majority of analysts seem to be saying) in that game. Seems logical to me, and that was my point.

    ? Don't follow you here.

    ? If that were true, I doubt that he would be one of the most-criticized U.S. players from this match.

    ?

    You're doubling down again, on one specific reference that TSS made in a fairly extensive and thorough critique of Aaronson; and you're dodging the issue that you tried to make numerous excuses for Aaronson which don't hold water (at best) and are ludicrous (at worst).

    You said "He could use better teammates", suggesting that they were largely to blame for his poor performance. That's quite an odd perspective, imo. Who couldn't use optimal teammates surrounding them, in any game? Excuses, excuses.
     
  23. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    Brenden was poor.

    Brenden was better than Tillman, who didn't even try to get on the ball. And while Brenden had a lot of turnovers, he created more than anyone else.

    Be more like Brenden.
     
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  24. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He's in the Championship because Leeds, a team that is shooting for promotion, wanted him back. He fought his way back into the starting lineup in the BL last spring but was on loan.

    Him not playing more in Copa America was probably a bad idea and is part of how Gregg got himself fired.
     
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  25. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Palmer 'learning the challenges' of being man marked

    Chelsea boss Enzo Maresca says it is a positive thing that Cole Palmer is having to "learn the difficulties and challenges" of being heavily marked this season.

    "We use it as a weapon that opposition want to heavily mark him," said Maresca. "But it also the next step for him for him getting used to that situation. He has to learn the difficulties and challenges of being marked man to man."


    I thought Brenden did a good job of evading de Souza who was man marking him for Sheffield United in front of 3cb's.
     

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