Brenden Aaronson at Leeds

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  1. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Fotmob says Leeds got VAR'ed but didn't give any other details.
     
  2. Dyvel

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    Jul 24, 1999
    The dog end of a day gone by
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    No VAR in Div 2
     
  3. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Weird - I'm confused then. They got credited with a goal and then perhaps was called offside?

    Edit: Google says there is VAR
     
  4. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
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    Oct 16, 2017
    Google is incorrect. It has been used in the promotion play-off matches, but is not used in normal league matches. In the article I linked to (published a couple of weeks ago), the CEO of the EFL seems to think that not having VAR is a material advantage over the PL in their fight to get more people to watch the Championship:

     
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  5. Excellency

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    #4380 Excellency, Nov 6, 2024
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    I was shocked how much more I appreciated the Champship precisely because there is no VAR. I think people have totally forgotten how great football was without VAR. Honestly, just try it.

    I didn't see the game. HIlites are up on uboob. Edt: Brenden's shot at 29" mark. Can't find his 2nd shot.

     
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  6. dark knight

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    Watching the highlights I’m not sure why Fotmob credited a goal - it was immediately ruled offside. I just assumed it was a VAR decision.
     
  7. Paul Berry

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    There simply aren't enough refs to go around to introduce VAR in the EFL. Cost is also a big issue.
     
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  8. dark knight

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    Sounds wonderful…
     
  9. ArsenalMetro

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    Games that I don't care about are delightful without VAR.

    I never want to watch a game I do care about without it.
     
  10. glutton4Bolts

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    Yeah... nothing is perfect but the way they do it in Serie A is pretty close. Offsides calls are near automatic and delays are relatively short.
     
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  11. usnroach

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    I'm pretty sure Paramount+ has the Championship rights in the U.S.
     
  12. Paul Berry

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    They didn't show the Leeds match.

    They showed Sky Sports main feature Preston North End vs Sunderland.

    The Football League has its own streaming service for supporters outside the UK.

    Paramount only shows the game broadcast on Sky Sports.
     
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  13. dark knight

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    It's not all games but yeah - if not on P+ its presumably not available.
     
  14. Paul Berry

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    You can stream every Leeds United league game in the US for a mere $180 (it may be actually be $199).

    Or you can watch every MLS regular season game, Leagues Cup game and the playoffs for $99.
     
  15. Excellency

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    #4390 Excellency, Nov 8, 2024
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    Farke presser below: The tag on him is that he might be a bit too rigid and that it leads to becoming predictable. It looked that way at Norwich, I thought, but he didn't have the horses. He has the horses now at Leeds. He addresses that in 13' of presser vid. He then is asked about Aaronson (15'45"), in general, and offers some remarks. He remarks that he wishes Brenden's shot would pick a corner rather than shooting directly at keeper. I tried to analyze Brenden's shot at the keeper and I think what he was doing was trying to get a deflection thru a crowd but I'm not sure. (Edit: He also falls into the "trap" of suggesting Aaronson stand still like the rest of the players. I'm afraid Farke will find that his team becomes even more predictable at that point but that is something that has to be worked out. I thought Aaronson was chasing too much at Philly but the Salzburg guy taught him how to press effectively which is why I don't worry too much about "chasing". He just needs to score some goals, imho.)

     
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  16. zlatan_but_a_car

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    I can't find it, but I recall an article in the last couple of years where the EFL was considering something like "VAR-lite" for the Championship, but they didn't really specify how that would work beyond saying "no automated offside decisions or GLT". It feels like there has to be way to do this without massively increasing the material costs-per-match, but I also understand that it gets hard when you dig into the specifics of reffing any given pro match.
     
  17. zlatan_but_a_car

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    I give algorithms a lot more grace than I used to. When you're building an algo that has to respond to a data-source you don't control, you're bound to have a few bugs.
     
  18. Excellency

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    The last thing the EFL needs is VAR.
     
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  19. Paul Berry

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    I like the MLS implementation.

    There are a max of maybe 5 Premier League matches kicking off simultaneously. Each VAR team seems to consist of a panel of 3.

    On a typical Saturday there can be 35 to 40 EFL games kicking off at 3 pm.

    There simply aren't enough refs to go around as it is.

    Since the 4th official was introduced the standard of refereeing in the 3rd and 4th division has fallen significantly as top referees are holding up numbers and checking studs (cleats).

    Now we have more refs taken away from being the center ref at EFL games to man the TV monitors for the EPL.

    If you take another 10 to be VARs for the Championship it means that League Two quality refs have to step up to League One and National League refs step up to League Two.

    There are 30,000 plus registered teams in England and 28,000 qualified officials. Eventually you run out.
     
  20. zlatan_but_a_car

    Botswana Meat Commission FC
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    Oct 16, 2017
    Precisely the specifics I was hoping you'd drill into. That makes a lot of sense.
     
  21. felloveranddidanadu

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    Had never occurred to me that all those folks are other person-in-the-middle refs and damn, what a growth industry :p
     
  22. freisland

    freisland Member+

    Jan 31, 2001
    Crowd source the VAR! All viewers have 15 seconds after reply to opine. Hive mind wins!
     
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  23. TimB4Last

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    Aaronson starts! Leeds (3rd) hosting QPR (23rd, next to last).

    [​IMG]
     
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  24. Paul Berry

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    QPR are a great example of why potential MLS owners wouldn't invest if there was pro-rel. They had everything in place for a long stay in the EPL and effed it up.
     
  25. freisland

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