Breakout Youth Player in MLS/USL 2024 edition

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by Eleven Bravo, Nov 9, 2023.

  1. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    In other dual Nat news sounds like JoGo is not apart of Sociadad's plans. Whether than means another loan or being sold unsure.

    I think with Buck the issue was more he was being called up to the u 19 team under Mitrovic and wasnt being called up to the U 20s. Now I don't remember the timeliness off the top of my head so I'm not sure if he committed to England because he wasn't called up to the U 20 WC or if he he committed before.

    Cremaschi was also going to u 19 camps I believe but he wasn't ready to commit as Argentina was recruiting him pretty strongly
     
  2. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There’s been no indications that Cremaschi would have been offended by a U20 callup.

    Vargas was clearly Olympics or bust (and may have made it he had waited after Morris wasn’t released), but also has been very clear he prefers Mexico. Esmir seems to have been put off by being left off the Olympic team and we are also competing with the fact that Bosnia is trying to call him to the senior team for actual competitive games.

    For Buck he seems to have been bothered by lack of consideration for the 2023 U20 team and that Cremaschi got a call up to the senior team that fall and he didn’t. And he had his head turned by England a bit on top of that. He would have been under consideration for the Olympic team (though I don’t think he ultimately would have made it). But he preferred to try things with England for now. He is someone we could win back in the end however given how hard it is to break into England.

    And I’ll add I would have taken both Buck and Cremaschi to the 2023 World Cup if it were up to me (in place of Puskas who wasn’t available for the group stage and Tsakiris who was coming into it off injury and hadn’t played much at all in the lead up).
     
  3. deejay

    deejay Member+

    Feb 14, 2000
    Tarpon Springs, FL
    Club:
    Jorge Wilstermann
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I suppose that the US had to outbid Argentina with an Olympics since they could also offer him a U-20 tourney. Buck was offered an England U-20 and it looks better in the resume than a US U-20 appearance. The truth is that both of those players are not candidates for England or Argentina full MNTs. Why get your head turned by youth teams? Obed is a different matter. US and Mexico are largely equivalent.
     
  4. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The goal of national teams is to win games….at the World Cup.

    This requires a national team coach to have the vision to look into the future and determine who will help him then and not always, right now. The idea is for the team to peak at the right time.
     
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  5. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Quite true and I'm not sure a lot of coaches are good at this. Could certainly be helped by Crocker, assistants and scouts but look at Tata Martino with Mexico. He continued not playing youth like he mostly did at Atlanta United. I can only imagine who he would have chosen as US coach and the meltdown of US fans when he overlooked a lot of very young players. Berhalter had a lot of faults but playing youth wasn't one of them.
     
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  6. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think England is just a bigger more high profile national team. I can see why a teenager would have their head turned. It also probably helps in terms of getting interest in English clubs.

    With Cremaschi I think it’s unclear if an Argentina U20 call up would have ultimately come or not (and they do their qualifying later in South America).
     
  7. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If there’s one thing Berhalter deserves credit for it’s that he’s was really good and bringing young players into the team and turning it completely over. Someone like Tata Martino probably would have been more resistant to doing so.
     
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  8. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm sure he got advice from Messi. May have been to stay with the US for now because of travel and ease of callups. He can always switch later if he wants.
     
  9. ChambersWI

    ChambersWI Member+

    Nov 10, 2010
    Club:
    AC Milan
    One thing Berhalter's staff supposedly was really good at is that they shot from the hip with players. Told them where they saw they stood. When we were recruiting Efrain Alvarez he was flat out told they wanted him for the olympic squad.
     
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  10. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  11. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Philli really are fc Dallas east.
    Or is Dallas Philadelphia Union west now?
     
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  12. glutton4Bolts

    glutton4Bolts Member+

    United States
    Mar 18, 2019
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    They really are doing a great job at bringing up quality home grown talent. I am finally going to get a home town team in SDFC next year and I like what I am hearing about the academy plan but I assume there will be a lot of dual national drama so the Union will likely remain a favorite team for me. Hopefully my love for my new club will grow quickly but Country will always remain first for me.
     
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  13. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    you guys are hitting the perfect storm. TJ fans are really jaded with their ownership right now supposedly. Might be able to peel off some talent in both sides of the border
     
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  14. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where are all the young studs for this season? Seems like this year has been a dark hole for new emerging talent.
     
  15. OWN(yewu)ED

    OWN(yewu)ED Member+

    Club: Venezia F.C.
    May 26, 2006
    chico, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    phrasing…… phrasing…….

    sounds like my gay co worker in a night out in San Fran lol

    (lm sorry I had to plz understand it was right there lol. And yes I’m still that immature)
     
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  16. gogorath

    gogorath Member+

    None
    United States
    May 12, 2019
    We've had a lot of debuts but not a ton of young guys getting bigger minutes in their first crack. I also think maybe our standards have gone up.

    2005s and younger with > 500 MLS Minutes (fbref doesn't seem to be tracking US Open or Leagues Cup on the aggregated page)

    Fidel Barajas (last seen with Mexico, rumored switch to US)
    Obed Vargas (Mexico)
    Noah Cobb
    Niko Tsakiris
    Gavin Beavers
    Noel Buck (England, for now)
    Reed Baker-Whiting
    Esmir B. (Bosnia, assumed)
    Ben Cremaschi

    Also decent time: Christian McFarlane, Matai Akinmboni, Kristian Fletcher, Andrew Rick, Brooklyn Raines, Nolan Norris

    2004s > 500 minutes
    Owen Wolff
    Caleb Wiley
    Jackson Hopkins
    Darren Yapi
    Gerard Valenzuela
    Noah Allen
    Jacob Murrell
    Quinn Sullivan
    Chris Brady

    2003s > 500 minutes
    Diego Luna
    Jalen Neal
    Jack McGlynn
    Brian Gutierrez
    Caden Clark
    Daniel Edelman
    Dante Sealy
    Devin Padelford (who?)

    In terms of taking a step up in performance, Luna, Sullivan, Wolff all have done so. We've known about guys like Tsakiris or Reed Baker Whiting but these are their first real minutes. I think we have guys like Beavers, Rick, Akinmboni and Cobb who are doing things at an age you don't usually see (and Brady!) and it's kind of old hat.

    Add in a lot of potential dual national losses and yeah, there's been less minutes for young Americans -- 2006 doesn't seem very strong here.

    Also, note that the lack of US Open Cup and Leagues Cup stats here is a problem -- McFarlane has 308 MLS minutes, but over 1,000 in US Open Cup and Leagues Cup combined with that (400+ in Leagues Cup).
     
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  17. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    If he was with the US and not England, we'd be going pretty nuts for McFarlane right about now.

    ........................and he still might be with us.
     
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  18. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I come from the infantry… that’s exactly my type of humor lol
     
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  19. thedukeofsoccer

    thedukeofsoccer Member+

    Jul 11, 2004
    Wussconsin
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There's a dearth.

    I haven't seen Julian Hall & Peyton Miller, but a couple 16 yr olds, getting some time & apparently hanging, makes them intriguing.

    Quinn Sullivan's had a mini breakout. It's more impressive when you put it in context of Philly not having the position he's best in (wing) & when he plays closer to it (WM) he's been outstanding:

     
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  20. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    A lot of the real high end prospects seem to be more on the U17 level than the U20 level. Our U20 CONCACAF Championships roster was kinda "meh." Lots of good pro potential, but maybe not star power. Most of the kids that look to have real star potential are in MLSNP, with Euro clubs already circling. [And not just Cavan Sullivan and Mathis Albert. The 2009s are so strong that Manu Romero of Real Madrid is listed as the 5th best prospect of that birth year.]
     
  21. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
  22. dlokteff

    dlokteff Member+

    Jan 22, 2002
    San Francisco, CA
    The LA Galaxy Pathway...
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  23. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    In case people didn't see this in the youth forum, the US U17s absolutely demolished the Czech Republic yesterday. Jude Terry is with LAFC, Cornelius is with St. Louis. Albert was formerly with the Galaxy, but has moved to Dortmund.
     
  25. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Isn't that #7 guy with some MLS team?
     

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