I actually saw it get some time shortly after he tweeted the letter and before this thread was even created. It was background noise, but I know they came back to it with Twellman or someone later too.
you do realize since you like soccer and likely frequent soccer websites that CNN tailors their headlines to your interests right?
Yes, but its not going to take 18 months for all of us to get infected and get over it. It will take 18 months for it to spread everywhere. As we're already seeing in China, they're coming out the other side with things like Apple stores reopening and travel starting up again.
They beat the virus in a way that is impossible for us. Unless you think we can lock people in their apartment complexes for months? We can look at Korea doing well, but their response involved widespread testing. Not doing that here. So we can only compare ourselves to Italy who are... screwed.
You didn't that White House Press conference update thingy did you? https://www.yahoo.com/news/trump-declares-a-national-emergency-on-coronavirus-203618883.html
Can we move the coronavirus discussion to the coronavirus thread and not the thread about Cordeiro resigning?
Will any other heads roll within Soccer House? Clearly others were in on the legal filings and gave them the stamp of approval. What happens to them? What should happen?
Is the USSF being pressured by the advertisers into settling? Legally, this should be a slam dunk case for the federation since they negotiated a contract with the USWNT players.
At this point, I think the best thing for the USSF would be to split into two separate federations, but I don't think the women will allow it to happen. I say this as an alum of the very last D1 school to have separate athletic departments. It ended up being found to be not "equal" under Title IX because the men's department had so much more money than the women's, for obvious reasons. Heck, our high schools have two separate associations still, and you end up with stories like this.
What a way to spread equality than for Hope Solo telling us on Qatari-funded BeIN Sports and BeIN Media Group. Qatar, a beacon of human rights... 🇺🇸 @hopesolo calls out @ussoccer Board of Directors, says Carlos Cordeiro is "merely a scapegoat" in ongoing equal-pay battle with #USWNT pic.twitter.com/9htmzpEStp— beIN SPORTS USA (@beINSPORTSUSA) March 14, 2020 DONGARBERISBADANDYOUSHOULDVOTEHIMOUT SUMISBADMLSISBADSUMISBADMLSISBAD
There is so much that is getting completely ignored in order to win the PR battle. As it currently stands, the entire "equal pay" and USSF paying the money that represents the gap is dependent on the mens team being good enough to bring in the big bucks and USSF saying yes to anything that brings in cash. So much of the USSF slush fund is from stuff like Copa America, Gold Cup, and FIFA events. The mens "bonuses" come from the FIFA payouts being so big for making the tournament vs winning like the women did. The men don't have bonuses for winning the olympics unlike the women. The issue the WNT has is with (1) FIFA/CONCACAF having unequal prize money for men/women and (2) the womens CBA which is entirely different than the mens. It doesn't seem like they are willing to fight for fixing the two issues which could bring structural change Will the women actually open the WNT to the "best" american players? How will this help WoSo in the country? I don't think the WNT has the responsibility to make WoSo viable in this country, but getting paid is not going to change the dynamics of the current state of WoSo. "Equal pay" has been a great rallying cry, but what happens when that is no longer there. If this is just for the money and publicity ... cool, get paid. If this is about change and leaving the next generation in a better position, I expected more.
This seems like a good thread to put it in, but a majority of the USWNT's case was just dismissed. (crossposted from the thread in the USWNT forum) Looks like the court ruled on the motions to dismiss and the USWNT lost the case: On the USWNT request for a summary judgement, which the judge denied: UPDATE: #USWNT #EqualPay Summary JudgmentThe Court has DENIED the players motion and GRANTED IN PART US Soccer's Motion for Summary Judgment. pic.twitter.com/7gKTiZXIXF— Kelsey Trainor (@ktrain_11) May 1, 2020 On USSF's request for a summary judgement on equal pay, which the judge granted: The Court has GRANTED summary judgment in favor of US Soccer on the #USWNT Equal Pay Act Claim, saying that no material issue of fact exists for trial. pic.twitter.com/NeuvIVcniD— Kelsey Trainor (@ktrain_11) May 1, 2020 On USSF's request for summary judgement on the turf issue, which the judge granted: The Court has GRANTED summary judgment in favor of US Soccer on the #USWNT Title VII claim in regards to discrimination based on turf conditions. pic.twitter.com/2NPS4xSWdF— Kelsey Trainor (@ktrain_11) May 1, 2020 The only remaining issues are travel condition and medical/support staff disparities: The only remaining claim for the #USWNT players is a Title VII claim as it relates to discrimination based on:1) travel conditions (charter flights and hotel)2)personnel and support (medical and training) pic.twitter.com/A1Sp9dtJH0— Kelsey Trainor (@ktrain_11) May 1, 2020
Here's a snippet from Yahoo!'s version In particular, the judge pointed to a “history of negotiations” where the USWNT had sought more guaranteed compensation than the riskier pay-to-play structure in the USMNT’s contract. The USWNT “cannot now retroactively deem their CBA worse than the USMNT CBA by reference to what they would have made” under the men’s contract, the judge wrote. Loosely translated... you can't sign a contract that prioritizes guaranteed money over big paydays and then demand big paydays. Which, any idiot could have figured out months ago. I'm on their damn side, long-term. They just don't have a leg to stand on as long as they have the exclusive contracts that limit the player pool. Open it up for true competition, and let the coaches decide who gets called up. Do that, and I'm all for equality in pay. The stuff about travel accommodations and per-diems should be fixed, and most likely will be. But the USWNT has been barking up the wrong tree the whole time.
The other thing that has concerned me about this lawsuit is what it will do to the health of the NWSL. That league is hanging on a thread financially and they want to blow up the agreement that keeps it afloat with US Soccer paying the higher salaries of the national team players? The women did an incredible job at the Women’s World Cup last year, but I could also see a troublesome mentality taking over their group thinking. It seemed like the answer to every non-soccer challenge they had was sexism. They go after Thailand and celebrate too much and the press ask about it? Sexism. The NWSL is struggling financially (as all young leagues do for decades unto they carve out their niche one fan at a time) and the press ask Megan Rapinoe about it? Sexism. They decided on a different contract structure than the men’s national team that will provide them and the NWSL with financial stability? Sexism. i’m not saying that they don’t deal with a lot of sexism or that they shouldn’t fight it. They should. I just think they got into a group mentality that every non-soccer challenge they faced was sexism. I don’t want or expect them to stop fighting for themselves though. Hopefully this decision will help them to clear their thinking in that manner and they can continue the fight in a way that doesn’t risk the health of the NWSL.
Except that they don't give a bucket of warm puppy shit about the average NWSL player. This has always been about roughly 22 women getting rich and screw everybody else. So you go on some TV sports talk show hosted by a clueless moron and spew a bunch of crap about girrrrl power and equal rights and lie shamelessly about the facts. Its always been a PR battle using cultural memes to pocket more money for an elite handful of women who basically self identify, self perpetuate and is operated like a sorority. How I wish I thought this result was going to be the first step towards opening peoples eyes and making meaningful change. But one certainly suspects that the result will be more pouting, complaining and victimization. A small group of women will continue to reap huge rewards, the NWSL will continue to be treated like a glorified part time fitness camp and most of the players will continue to live 8 to an apartment eating Ramen noodles and quitting after 2 years. So very very sad.
Don't forget about the doxxing, Bill! I see people trying to dox the judge in the USWNT lawsuit.Come on now, folks, you can be better than that.I say that as the grandson of a former chief judge of the U.S. Tax Court... but still. Be better than that.— Jonathan Tannenwald (@thegoalkeeper) May 2, 2020