Brave Nieuw World: Mark McKenzie at Genk

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  1. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    The EPL doesn't dominate the CL like Mexico dominates the CONCACAF CL, partly because there are 4-5 leagues with clubs realistically competing for the top continental trophy rather than 2. But no one ever claimed that the EPL was as dominant in Europe as Mexico is here; the claim was that the Premier League is inarguably the best league in the world, and at the moment, yeah that seems consistent with all the multi-season data to me.
     
  2. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    when you choose which years to include
     
  3. KALM

    KALM Member+

    Oct 6, 2006
    Boston/Providence
    #1453 KALM, May 28, 2024
    Last edited: May 28, 2024
    The "which" doesn't matter so much as "how many" years you choose to include.

    So for instance, England has consistently been the top ranked league by UEFA using their official ranking methodology for a number of years now (2021, 2022, 2023, and 2024). But they do use 5 years worth of results to come up with that ranking.

    If you're disagreeing with their choice to use 5 years of data, I can tell you that England still comes out on top consistently during that period (and earlier) if you use 3 years of data instead of 5. That is to say, any consecutive 3 year period you look at from 2017 to today still has England coming out on top based on UEFA coefficients. It's only when you get down to 2 seasons worth of data where you find any variation there.

    If you object to using UEFA's ranking system, pretty much every other ranking system I've found based on multiple years worth of data similarly has the EPL on top. For instance, Opta uses an Elo-based system to rate and rank clubs. While it also incorporates years of data, the results from each of the past 5 years will not be weighted equally the way they are in UEFA's system. But even then, the EPL still comes out top in the league rankings they've constructed based on those club rankings, at least as of their post on this 2 months ago. (One ranking was based on the average ratings of the clubs in each league, while another was based on the average rating of the top 10 clubs in each league, and in each system the EPL is currently on top.)
     
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  4. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes when you include more recent years. Obviously the EPL wasn’t always the best league so there’s a point of demarcation when the data wouldn’t show them on top.

    Data aside is also a widely held perception, including by players. And there’s definitely an attraction to the idea of playing in what is perceived to be the best league in the world (the same way in college football SEC teams pitch players on the ability to play in what’s widely perceived to be the best conference). A team like Real Madrid has its own mystique/allure but most players and certainly not Mark McKenzie have a Real Madrid to choose from.
     
  5. superdave

    superdave BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 14, 1999
    VB, VA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What’s your standard then?
     
  6. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    1 year, 5 years, 10 years? A combination of these
     
  7. Bruce S

    Bruce S Member+

    Sep 10, 1999
    no EPL team even made the semi's of the CL this year. You are entitled to believe what you believe but I was just trying to register that not everyone agrees. (I also want to note that I took this position before EPL teams crapped out of the CL).
     
  8. gomichigan24

    gomichigan24 Member+

    Jul 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Again you’re taking the results of a single year and extrapolating out when there’s significantly more data to go on. Versus going off a single game where Man City outplayed Madrid but was unlucky to not get a result for instance. Knockout tournaments are always going to have a ton of variance in any single year, which is why you want to look at a longer range of time than just this season.

    And it is very much widely accepted that the EPL is the best league in the world. No one seriously asserts otherwise.
     
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  9. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Gets the start in the last match of the season. Genk vs Gent for a European spot.
    [​IMG]
     
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  10. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Genk down 0-1 in the 60'. If Genk fails to qualify for European Competition that might be the reason for McKenzie's departure.
     
  11. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Genk lost 0-1. Gent goes to Europe. McKenzie will hop on a plane to fly to the US for the friendlies.
     
  12. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A summarized article behind a paywall is Google Translated here. Simply put, McKenzie is in the last year of his contract. He has told Genk that he will not resign. I would imagine that he will be on the move this summer. Genk will want to get as much as they can for him.
     
  13. TxEx

    TxEx Member+

    Tottenham Hotspur, Crystal Palace, FC Dallas
    Aug 19, 2016
    DFW
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Smart move all around for everybody. Mark needs to move up a level and his club need to sell him to make a profit. I hope a decent step up is in the cards.
     
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  14. YankatOxford

    YankatOxford Member+

    Oct 15, 2007
    Holland or Portugal here he comes!
     
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  15. Gorando

    Gorando Member

    Anderlecht
    Belgium
    Mar 12, 2008
    Belgium
    Club:
    Juventus FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Belgium
    He has been struggling all season, hasnt showed he is ready for a team better than Genk. btw Unless he goes to a top-3 team in those countries it is not a step up.Teams between 4-8 in Belgium score a lot more points in the European coefficient list. The Belgian league is more stronger in depth.
     
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  16. RobtheAggie

    RobtheAggie Member+

    Sep 10, 2001
    Middle Georgia
    Club:
    Rochester Rhinos
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The almost title winning season, McKenzie was much better. This past season he would be good one match, great the next then have two or three blah matches. He has the ability, his speed and positioning is very impressive, but it seemed like he was over Genk. It will be very interesting to see where he ends up.
     

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