Brasil all-time draft - Discussion Thread 3

Discussion in 'Brazil' started by Redshift, Apr 17, 2006.

  1. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    i assume the person you are talking about was just drafted by kaushik...if not, whatever.

    about time caju was taken. honestly. i think he was worthy of being drafted 4-5 rounds ago.
     
  2. tpmazembe

    tpmazembe Member

    Jun 13, 2002
    The Midfield (S.Fla)
    Fantastic pick by Kaushik. http://www.sambafoot.com/en/players/332_Paulo_Cesar_Caju.html

    I chose Pepe instead because I wanted another pure goalscorer and already had Zizinho creating, but Caju was so good that I almost changed my formation (to a 3 man backline) just to get him in.

    4 x Bola de Prata during an era when there was major competition for his spot.
     
  3. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    All of the 11th round picks have been great.
     
  4. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    20 minutes from the start of the CL semifinal... I can't wait.
     
  5. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    it's a shame because i think in any other era, he wouldve been an undisputable starter for brazil. he was always plagued by attitude problems, much like a player who reminds me a lot of him...rivaldo.
     
  6. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    i really wish i could watch the game...at work now. at the very least, if only i had deportes so i could tivo it. oh well.

    i might see if i can catch some of the game at the pub during my lunch break.
     
  7. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Am I just waiting for R9magia now?
     
  8. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Great game... it's supposed to be shown again I think. Catch it if you can.
     
  9. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Sounds right since kaushik picked early today!!!

    I'm back and will be adding some comments throughout the day. PM me if anyone has questions or wants to proxy their last pick.

    Also, I have received one suggestion on how to handle auriverde's team. Other suggestions are welcome.
     
  10. celito

    celito Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    Feb 28, 2005
    USA
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    Took a long time for Zagalo to be picked. Good pick.
     
  11. R9magia

    R9magia New Member

    Aug 12, 2005
    -----------Dinamite-------------
    Zagallo------------------Dida---
    ----------- Tostão--------------

    -------Alemão---Dudu-----------
    Branco------------------Nelinho-
    --------L.Pereira-R.Rocha--------

    --------------Zetti--------------

    Zagallo can be my player coach:D
     
  12. Ombak

    Ombak Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Apr 19, 1999
    Irvine, CA
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    No kidding.
     
  13. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    That is a solid and well balanced team.
     
  14. Sempre

    Sempre ****************** Member+

    Mar 4, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    AS Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    After discussing a lot of historical right-backs with some of
    the drafters here, I instead went with my club sympathies and
    chose Amantino Mancini. My team is complete with this pick,
    I only wish I knew as much as some of the folks here! It's
    been a great learning experience though.

    Squadra Sempre

    -----------------R. Ceni-----------------
    -------------Aldair-----Brito-------------
    -Mancini-----------------------Serginho--
    -----Emerson-----Didi (c)----Mazinho-----
    -------'Mazzola'-------------Jair----------
    -----------------Leonidas-----------------

    In the end, I'm happy to have three Roma figures in my team,
    in addition to some true legends like Didi and Leonidas. :)
     
  15. R9magia

    R9magia New Member

    Aug 12, 2005
    Thanks ASF. With a Brazilian draft it is always tempting to go for the most skilled players who put up incredible numbers, but every team needs balance and players who do the dirty work. That is key to every succesful team, I think we all know that. A lot of us have offensive fire power but what I'm really happy with looking at my team is the defense and the balance like you pointed out.I really think all of us did a great job and the judges will have a tough time picking the best team, because in the end I don't think there is a true right or wrong answer.
     
  16. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    This is not meant as crticism, just genuine puzzlement and curiosity...

    With everyone else, I was able to predict the formation reasonably well given the players they took, but with bennis I am at a loss.

    I was almost sure you were going to take a left back this turn, but you took another CB. :confused:

    This leaves you with:

    3 CBs, 1 RB, 1 RWB/RM, 1 DM, 1 CM/AM, 1 AM/SS, 1 AM/LW/SS, and 1 CF

    ---------------GK----------------
    ---------------------------------
    ---------CB------CB-----CB------
    --RB-----------------------------
    -----------------DM-------------
    ---------CM---------------------
    --RM----------------------------
    ----------------AM--------------
    -------------------------LW-----
    -----------CF--------------------

    Is this what you have in mind?
     
  17. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    so i'm on the clock...

    i'm extremely tempted to take one particular player. it's a bit tough. im either crazy to draft him...or crazy to skip him. haha.

    i'll sort out my thoughts in the next 30 mins or so.
     
  18. leonidas

    leonidas Moderator
    Staff Member

    Palmeiras
    Brazil
    May 25, 2005
    NYC
    Club:
    Palmeiras Sao Paulo
    well i couldnt resist. Renato Gaúcho it is! I was extremely surprised he lasted this far. He was probably worthy of being picked a few rounds ago. There is a lot of excellent value around with our final picks. However, I'm sure a lot of this has to do with auriverde's absence. If we had an extra team drafting, players like Caju and Renato would definitely not have been available in this final round.

    Either way, I'm satisfied with my team. A bit on the offensive side, but hey, I've always been a fan of our style of play. Our best teams have always been known for their relatively modest defenses, even the 1970 one. I dont mind that.

    With Lima as my curinga, I feel like I'm left with an offensive and versatile team. I can drop Lima at central defender and have a 3 man back-line. Then, I can move up R. Carlos to left midfield and push back Renato Gaucho to right midfield. Piazza will be there, as always, anchoring the midfield. Kaka and Rai can partner in a more offensive role, although I assume I'd put Kaka a bit ahead of Rai. And of course, a very nice and prolific forward line of Fried, arguably Brazil's leading goalscorer, and Romario. I think they are perfect compliments...Fried as a more agile forward a la Robinho (although with more scoring capabilities), and Romario, as well, Romario...a guy who just plants his ass in front of the goal and scores.


    -------Fried----Romario-------
    ------------------Renato Gaucho
    ------Kaka-------------------
    -----------------Rai------
    ---------Piazza(c)-------------
    R. Carlos--------------------Lima
    -----Augusto---Roberto Dias-----
    -----------Taffarel--------
     
  19. SoccerScout

    SoccerScout Member

    Jan 3, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Club:
    Internacional Porto Alegre
    good pick with Renato Gaucho...he was due.
     
  20. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Ok, I finished my team. My last choice may not be a craque, but I believe he is the complimentary player who will help complete my team.

    To be honest, I had never heard of Cacapava before this draft. But I had heard of the legendary Inter teams from the 70's, and as I picked Falcao and Carpeggiani, I decided to research how that midfield played. What I learned is that Cacapava was the player who protected his two talented teammates, allowing them the freedom to attack more.

    I thought of looking for a better known and perhaps more talented player for that same role, but I finally decided to go with the real thing, going with what worked for Inter, and helped them win all those titles. Not only Cacapava can protect my other midfielders, but he will allow my laterals to join the attack knowing that there is an implacable defensive force covering for them.
     
  21. argentine soccer fan

    Staff Member

    Jan 18, 2001
    San Francisco Bay Area
    Club:
    CA Boca Juniors
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    My Squad will look something like this:

    ......................Manga..........................
    ............Da Ghia.........Julio Cesar...........
    Jorginho..................................Marinho Chagas
    .....................Cacapava.......................
    .............Carpegiani.......Falcao...............
    ...........................Dirceu.....................
    .................Muller....Valentim.................


    Julio Cesar and Da Ghia as zone markers. Jorginho and M.Chagas as laterals who can join the attack. Cacapava with defensive duties covering for the laterals and man marking if necesary. Carpegiani polifunctional, Falcao working his magic, with Dirceu also as organizer (and he can also play on the left), and up front Muller on the right as a striker who can play wide and withdrawn, and Valentim as the target man in the penalty area.
     
  22. Mengão86

    Mengão86 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Flamengo
    Brazil
    Nov 16, 2005
    Maryland, RJ/ES/PE
    Club:
    Flamengo Rio Janeiro
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    -------------------------------Castilho----------------------------------
    ----------------------Djalma Dias----------Rui Campos-------------------
    -----Djalma Santos--------------------------------------Geraldo Scotto--
    ------------------------------Zé Carlos----------------------------------
    ------------------------------Sócartes----------------------------------
    ------Amarildo-----------------------------------------Tesourinha--------
    ----------------------Careca---------------Evaristo----------------------

    4-4-2, with some attacking flavor since my defense is pretty solid. I have two very technical centrebacks in Dias and Campos. My laterais will stay and defend considering I have the best RB in Djalma Santos and an execellent marker in Scotto. Ze Carlos can also help defensively and feed the ball up to Socrates and the attack. Amarildo and Tesourinha can dribble down the wing and attack on goal or cross it in to one of my lethal strikers.
     
  23. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    My final lineup. I posted it before, and not much has changed:


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  24. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    This is the player I had him on my all-time draft. It is amazing that he lasted so long in the Brazil draft.
     
  25. Redshift

    Redshift Member+

    Dec 14, 2004
    Los Angeles, CA
    Club:
    Corinthians Sao Paulo
    Nat'l Team:
    Brazil
    He is a great player... but that is one particularity of running an all time draft for Brasil, for any player (other than O Rei and a few others) you can always find several other craques.

    There are a few left wingers who many Brasilian football historians feel were more gifted than Zagallo (as players), but aren't as widely known internationally -- the two most notable ones are Pepe and Canhoteiro. Combine this with the fact that many of us aren't playing traditional pontas and you can see why Zagallo could be taken a lot later than we would have been had everyone been using a formation that required such a player (or in the all time draft). A Zagallo played out of position may have been an inferior option to a specialist in that position. Likewise, people had different strategies for obtaining players: there were those that went after strikers first, others who grabbed midfielders, and some others who took defenders. With the exception of the first two rounds, you cannot read too much into the order of selection... particularly in the last few, where many that could have gone much sooner were finally taken. Tons of players remain that arguably should have been in the draft.
     

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