Brad Davis.

Discussion in 'FC Dallas' started by soccertom, Mar 7, 2003.

  1. soccertom

    soccertom New Member

    Jun 2, 1999
  2. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I'm glad to hear that he has such a good attitude. I really hope we can find a way to get him on the field. It would be a coup of the highest order if we could get some production out of him in central midfield. I'm a little concerned about this stress fracture though. Is he going to try to take it easy until it heals, or play through it? I think he should heal up.
     
  3. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    After reading the article, I'm wondering if MJ and I had the same thoughts at the same exact time - concerning Davis' skills and how he might eventually replace Oscar.

    This is very good news for me... the back, however...
     
  4. Rastlin

    Rastlin New Member

    Nov 20, 1999
    Myrtle Beach
    Jefferies is a wonder when it comes to finding the right talent for this team. It's going to be an exciting season, that's for sure.

    Now we're only one solid forward away from making a serious run at the MLS cup...hopefully we land someone who can score those goals, or EJ steps up...Rhine just isn't going to do it. He works hard, but that's it. He only scored 7 goals last season (if I'm correct) and three of those came in one game. All we need is help up front. I know I got off topic, but just had to voice my only concern with the personel.
     
  5. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm thrilled to have him on the team. He's worth more than first round draft pick in my opinion.

    His left foot brings something to the team I can't remember us ever having had. He could be the difference maker this year for this team.
     
  6. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    The question is how to get him on the field. He's basically competing for time with Chivas or Pareja. Playing in Deering's position was mentioned in the article, but I hope we wouldn't need to put such a young player in at d-mid.

    If Chivas's current form doesn't improve dramatically, Davis may get his shot on the wing. Otherwise he will have to sub in for Oscar late in games which could be a great benefit for us in keeping Oscar fresh all season. However, with the pressure to win on coaches, will MJ really risk resting Pareja in a tight game?

    I still think the best course of action is to get that back healed right now and worry about the rest during the season.
     
  7. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    I too think that he should rest and rehabilitate this injury. We don't want it to turn into a long term thing that keeps him out half of the season.

    Where to get him on the field?

    Change formations to a 4-5-1 and let Davis be the withdrawn forward/attacking mid.

    ---------------Kreis
    ---------Davis
    --Chivas-Pareja-ROB
    ----------Deering
    Brme-Morrw-Tbn-Suarez

    3-5-2 slot him in the hole behind the forwards.

    4-4-2 he can play up top, attacking mid or left wing.
     
  8. gotyourback

    gotyourback Member

    Jul 18, 2002
    Aurora/Arlington
    I believe Chivas is on track to duplicate last season's fitness and timing. He looked like he was swimming in molasses in preseason, but got in game shape quickly after the season started. It wouldn't surprise me to see this same trend happen again-and-again thru his career.

    MJ has one luxury that may fit both Pareja's and Davis' needs currently; and this the fact that we need to allow Oscar to go full throttle for sixty minutes per, and then put Brad in.

    Longevity for Oscar, plenty of time for Davis to MAKE SURE his back heals properly.

    Imagine this coming season with the aforementioned case scenario. Ball control and leadership established for the first sixty, and inspirational speed, passing, ability to get back (obviously Brad would be able to get into a defensive position much quicker than Oscar can, especially after Oscar has played sixty), and I believe this would go over very well - having our MVP go out with an uproar of applause, and welcome the prodigal Davis with the same (wouldn't mind seeing this same situation occur with a super-forward and Kreis coming in at sixty...).

    As I've mentioned many times before, our midfield is STACKED.

    Let's work on stacking our starting forwards.
     
  9. panicfc

    panicfc Member+

    Dec 22, 2000
    In my chair, typing
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Any word on Eddie Johnson or Bobby Rhine in that lineup.

    Seems like Rhine and Kreis will do well. Brad could win that left midfield job outright, when healthy.

    Going to be an exciting year in Dallas.
     
  10. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If they are smart and the players actually come through (not just on paper) then Jeffries can rotate players and keep them all healthy and fresh. Maybe then we wouldn't have a meltdown in the playoffs as usual. They might even be able to start a true "B" team for Open Cup games.
     
  11. Rastlin

    Rastlin New Member

    Nov 20, 1999
    Myrtle Beach
    I know this is something that noone has probably thought about but what about putting Martinez up top? He has by far the best one v one skills out of any player on the team. That is if EJ doesn't produce. You could have something like this:

    --------Martinez(EJ)------Kreis

    -------------------Oscar
    --- --Davis---------------------Vaca
    -------------------Deering

    Broome---Morrow-----TBone-------Saurez

    I've seen Martinez beat player after player on the drible. No one can do it like he can, and that would be great up top. Of course he'd have to be able to shoot, and that would be if EJ doesn't work out. Rhine's not going to cut it at all.
     
  12. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Jeffries tried that. It did not work. Chivas's first option is always to try to beat his man. It works well on the wing, but not in the middle. The defense will collapse around the ball too quickly.

    As for Davis, I do not think he will see that much time. Though Oscar and Chad are getting up there in years, I do not see Davis taking too much time away from Vaca. Vaca is a born schemer. If McKeon is on the team, we will see him at d mid when Chad is not there. If not, Matt and young Stone.
     
  13. SgtSchultz

    SgtSchultz Member

    Jul 11, 2001
    Parts Unknown
    I disagree about Brad Davis. I think he will see alot of time eventually. He is just too talented to leave off the field. My biggest concern is will the Burn be able to utilize him properly. He looks like a good prospect for the Nats.

    As I have said before, the Burn are a solid team with no superstars. Unlike other teams, there is not a huge difference between our starters and bench players. It does make for an interesting year.
     
  14. Viking64

    Viking64 Member

    Feb 11, 1999
    Tarheel State
    Any American able to play attacking mid is a huge asset. It may take him a few years to become attacking mid, but if that's really a plan for him, that's incredible. There has not been an American-born number 10 in the league yet. Henry Gutierrez was ok, but not a true starter. All the other attacking mids-nos. 10 have been foreign players or in Oscar's case, green cards.

    It's a sign of progress for the league. And it's also a big money saver because attacking mids are not cheap, especially when imported in their prime.
     
  15. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    Yes it will.

    But I really think Davis has a better chance stealing minutes in the middle than out in Chivas's spot. Martinez was easily our most productive midfielder last year, and repeatedly took games over singlehandedly, especially against certain teams like the Metros and Colorado. We want him on the field.

    And I imagine that both EJ and Rhines will get starts up front early this season. I don't see us bringing in a high profile forward this season, at least not soon.
     
  16. 3rd Degree

    3rd Degree Member

    Feb 6, 2000
    Dallas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think you will find, with the increasing depth of this team, that there will not be written in stone First 11. You will see several different combinations based on the opposition, health, recent performace and/or performance that week in practice.

    When healthy all four forwards have somthing to offer, and if/when Jeffries finds the striker he is looking fo rit will be 5. (or will it? the plot thinckens)

    And in the midfield... goodnesss...
    O'Brien, Vaca, Deering, Pareja, Stone, Davis, Chivas, Gbandi, Behncke (did anyone notice he started the Last pre-season game against Metro?)

    Pick any 4 and you can get a pretty darn good midfield.

    This is what good teams are supposed to look like, i.e., COMPETITION FOR PLACES.
     
  17. DigitalTron

    DigitalTron New Member

    Apr 4, 2001
    Arlington, VA
    I agree. Davis is behind Chivas at left wing. Davis is behind Oscar and Vaca in the center. He'll play, but it'll be as a spot sub.

    With Gbandi most likely starting when healthy, Broome becomes a contributor at both left back and left mid, which should further reduce Davis' playing time.

    Remember, EJ is still substantially younger than Davis. But I expect EJ to get more playing time.

    -Tron
     
  18. The Wanderer

    The Wanderer New Member

    Sep 3, 1999
    Brad Davis can play forward pretty well also.
     
  19. Scipio Gothicus

    Aug 6, 2001
    Cabo San Lucas
    Club:
    Celtic FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    At first, I did not like this trade. Buzz wrote "You will be happy" when he reported from the draft. I was not, though the Thomas move mollified me. I quickly realized Davis was better than anyone left in the draft, though. Like many draft picks, Davis is for the future.

    Oscar will not play forever, though he just might try. Vaca, however, will soon have proven all he needs to in order to get a big contract outside of the MLS. Davis has that long to get agressive enough to play schemer.
     
  20. Jambon

    Jambon Member

    Mar 3, 2000
    Austin, TX
    I wish I was as sold on Vaca as you are Scipio. I really wish I was.
     
  21. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  22. ElJefe

    ElJefe Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 16, 1999
    Colorful Colorado
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Don't worry.

    I merged your thread into the existing thread.
     
  23. I've been suggesting this on the listserv since
    last summer. And it's time for a full-fledged
    campaign on the matter.

    EJ: could be the 20-goal guy, but injured,
    and even if healthy, no Stewart = no maturation.
    Probability of 20 goals: 20%

    Cerritos: could be the 20-goal guy, if he
    recovers from what could or might have
    been a career-ending injury, and finds his
    '98-'99'-'00 form.
    Probability of 20 goals: 10%

    Rhine: steady and ready for all that's thrown
    his way, the consumate professional; expansion
    draft fodder in '05 or '06.
    Probability of 20 goals: 1%

    Everyone else in camp: who knows?

    We do know this. Chivas has a lousy defensive
    workrate and is a defensive liability in a 442.
    Chivas is also possibly the best finisher on the
    team giving Kreis a run for that honor. Chivas
    also is likely the best 1v1 guy on the team and
    is not afraid to take on 2 and 3 defenders at
    once running at goal.

    Left Side Resources:

    -Behncke showed he could play in MLS during
    the first game of the Week from Hell at Rapids.
    I want to see more but think he could be
    Morrow's solid understudy and even give the
    Irishman 4 or 5 nights off this summer.

    -Broome's speed would be more usefully
    deployed at left-mid than at left back, but
    his ability to play both positions gives MJ
    cover and ability to make tactical resource
    positioning decisions based on opposing
    personnel.

    -Davis is talked about consistenly as a
    left-side guy, but I'll also pat myself on
    the back because, on draft day, when Davis
    was acquired, I believe I was the first person
    to suggest on the listserv that Davis could be
    the guy to understudy and backfill Pareja.
    Everyone pooh-poohed it at the time, so
    vindication this week via MJ's comments was
    sweet for me, but Davis still offers a starting
    left-mid option, and would likely see the most
    time there if Vaca is not traded and thence
    retained as Oscar's primary backup. (note:
    i do not think Vaca can be the long-term
    solution to supplant Oscar, he just doesn't
    have the size to handle the Physical reqs
    of MLS play; Oscar barely has the size and
    compensates for it with with grit and fouls.)

    -Gbandi from all accounts looks to be
    storming back to form with a vengeance.
    If he is as advertised, he's going to push
    Broome forward to the left midfield competition
    with Davis.

    -Morrow now has an excellent backup in Behncke,
    which means Gbandi is free to concentrate on
    left-outside-back; a year ago I thought that
    Gbandi would break in as Morrow's backup,
    and that Broome would convert full-time to
    left back.

    SO, in sum, our depth on the left side of midfield,
    and left side of defense, should naturally push
    Chivas in to the competition for a slot in the
    Forwards rotation. Where I believe he would
    excel and his talents would be put to best
    possible use.

    -imn
     

  24. Ooh, Mr. Cigar man, we must cross swords
    here in public.

    I seem to recall Chivas slicing through the
    middle of the Metro box for a couple of
    goals one night last season. How can
    you say trying to beat your man doesn't
    work in the middle, but does work on the
    wing, when the Galactical MicroFish regularly
    beats 2 and 3 people at the same time in
    a very direct, in-the-box-fashion. This is
    not a league of incredbile defenders.
    Chivas ain't MicroFish, but he's not a slouch
    either in the middle. I don't think MJ gave it
    much of a try, either, but if you can cite
    specific examples when we started Chivas
    up top, i'll take counsel.

    As far as Davis not seeing time, I think you are
    mistaken. Let's reevaluate after 4 games.

    -imn
     
  25. Kudos to Buzz who was out in front with this
    caveat on this thread....

    Tactical personnel matchup deployment
    options have been a rare luxury in MLS.

    Let's see if Mr. MJ can put that Masters Degree
    to good use.....

    -imn
     

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