Boston Globe decries ESPN soccer snub

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  1. Tony Biscaia

    Tony Biscaia Member

    Feb 17, 1999
    Boston Globe writer decries ESPN soccer snub

    Start won't finish Revolution
    By Frank Dell'Apa


    Great job by FDA on taking ESPN to task for limiting exposure and thereby continuing to propagate American anti-soccer bias:

    "ESPN retains the US rights to the Champions League but will screen only the Inter-Milan semifinal today (on ESPN2). ESPN has programmed the Juventus-Real Madrid match throughout the world, but in the US it will show a taped auto race.

    This is a programming decision that seriously affects the credibility of the network. Not only is ESPN neglecting to show the deciding game of the most important soccer tournament of the year, it has also discouraged or prevented a secondary broadcaster from acquiring the one-time rights to what could be the world's most-watched sporting event of the year."

    As the Simpsons producers said to Beckham,

    "You're not a big enough star in the States."

    They didn't finish the sentence "...and we aim to keep it that way."
     
  2. Red Card

    Red Card Member+

    Mar 3, 1999
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The title is a little misleading. It is the soccer writer Frank Dell'Apa that is taking espn to task, not the Boston Globe.
     
  3. Northside Rovers

    Jan 28, 2000
    Austin TX
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I can't get the link to work - but I'm sure I have heard this sentiment before.

    Sometimes it is hard to believe that there isn't a programming director or 2 who let their personal feelings about the sport sway their decisions.
     
  4. da_cfo

    da_cfo New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    San Francisco CA
    Bottom line:

    1. ESPN is only required to air 17 UEFA CL matches in the US each season under the terms of the current contract with TEAM.

    2. ESPN2 loses at least $40000 worth of advertising inventory for each UEFA CL match aired.

    3. No advertiser has purchased advertising on UEFA CL match telecasts in the US for the past 5 seasons. UEFA CL telecasts on ESPN2 only get about an 0.15 rating (150000 households), less than what MLS gets.

    4. Starting next season, there will be NO UEFA CL telecasts on ESPN2. All UEFA CL telecasts will air in the US on the expanded 24-hour version of ESPN Deportes, which is scheduled to launch in September.
     
  5. Andy_B

    Andy_B Member+

    Feb 2, 1999
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Yes, I am sure the fact that no one watches these game and that no one is sponsoring these games has nothing to do with the fact that there not being shown.

    I can't believe with the near overwhelming amount of evidence that people are not watching these games nor sponsoring them would anyone be silly enough to drum up the "American anti-soccer bias" total and utter crap.

    Andy
     
  6. BhoysFC1995

    BhoysFC1995 New Member

    Nov 30, 1999
    NYC
    and who is going to get ESPN deportes? is it included in basic packages? based on the name, i assume its only in spanish.
     
  7. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You should know better by now. ;)
     
  8. da_cfo

    da_cfo New Member

    Apr 19, 2003
    San Francisco CA
    ESPN Deportes will be on DirecTV Para Todos channel 426.

    No cable company has signed on to carry ESPN Deportes at this time.

    The launch of ESPN Deportes may be delayed if no cable company signs on. That could mean a 4-month to 6-month reprieve for those who watch UEFA CL on ESPN2, as ESPN will have to put at least one match each match day on a non-PPV US network in order to satisfy the terms of its new contract with TEAM AG, which should call for at least 13 telecasts on a non-PPV US network each season.
     
  9. SueB

    SueB New Member

    Mar 23, 1999
    Waterbury, VT
    What's the word on Dish carrying it, Ollie?
     
  10. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    SBJ reported last week that ESPN's rates on their existing offerings could be lowered for people who carry ESPN HD and/or ESPN Deportes.
     
  11. Tea Men Tom

    Tea Men Tom Member+

    Feb 14, 2001
    Unfortunately, FDA has pretty much zero clout in terms of his impact as a reporter. He's about the 9th or 10th string writer on the Globe's roster.

    On the other hand, Bill Griffith, the TV Radio guy gave Inter/AC Milan a nice write up today. He DOES have some impact, though not nearly as much as Jack Craig, his predecesor.

    Believe it or not, guys like Craig and Rudy Martzke do get the attention of the suits at places like ESPN and the networks.

    I bet if Martzke wrote the same thing as FDA it might actually get ESPN to at least consider showing more of the Champions League.
     
  12. rangers00

    rangers00 Member

    Jun 1, 2000
    See, the launching of this type of channel is always like that. Haven't we seen this before?

    ESPN Extra, PanAmerican Sports Network, Canal de Futbol, etc.

    It's always like, Oliver drums up the launch of a channel on his web-site. This channel carries lots of soccer. People will live happily thereafter.

    Result? the launch is usually aborted. Even if the channel is really launched, it cannot get penetration. ESPN Extra had survived for 1+ year, but can only get on "selected" (translation: < 5%) of the cable systems. Neither Directv nor Dish Network showed any interest in picking up ESPN Extra...

    In other words, I'll treat ESPN Deportes with the same attitude: I'll believe it when I see it. I'll also believe it if the majority of the cable systems as well as Dish Network flock to carry it. As of now, since the major attraction of ESPN Deportes is the Champions League games that appear on ESPN International, I'll say "fat chance"!

    Yet it doesn't stop Oliver from drumming up this magic network on his web-site as well as on his postings again and again ...
     
  13. FlashMan

    FlashMan Member

    Jan 6, 2000
    'diego
    Club:
    --other--
    Nat'l Team:
    United States


    To me this is an example of how ratings might be skewed. I mean, how many people can go home from work to watch soccer at noon or 3 in the afternoon?

    I know what happens in San Diego: 15 or 20 or 30 or 50 guys and gals show up at the Princess Pub to watch the games over a long lunch. A similar amount show up at Shakespeares, another British pub. None of those people show up in the Neilsen ratings. I'm sure this is multiplied at least to a degree throughout the country.

    Of course I could be wrong.
     
  14. ToMhIlL

    ToMhIlL Member+

    Feb 18, 1999
    Boxborough, MA
    Club:
    New England Revolution
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    And here on the east coast it's the same thing with a "late lunch." Not to mention everyone who sets the VCR and watches it later when they come home from work.

    The question is what else could they broadcast at that time that would get the combination of better ratings or lower cost. ESPN's own programming of the guys chainsawing telephone poles costs them nothing to air, so my guess is that those programs would come out ahead.

    The real issue here is that there needs to be a better way of calculating ratings for programs. The current Neilson system was fine 50 years ago when there were only a couple of channels, and a random survey was the only way to make a reasonable guess as to how many watched what. Unfortunately, the technology has leapt so far ahead, not to mention demographics (who gets selected as a Neilson household), not to mention any number of other variables.

    Tom
     
  15. Casper

    Casper Member+

    Mar 30, 2001
    New York
    50 guys and gals in one or two bars in San Diego, multiplied across the country -- is a couple thousand people sitting in a bar at lunch, not a revolution.

    And usually, when I've left work to watch a game, I've been one lonely coke drinker, while the staff usually wonders what the hell I'm looking at.
     
  16. And how are you related to ESPN??




    ___________________________________________
    "ESPN ratings for soccer suck because they don't care to do a decent job of presenting the sport" - quinella box, on 2/17/03
     
  17. Sandon Mibut

    Sandon Mibut Member+

    Feb 13, 2001
    Frank has more juice than you realize. He covers soccer by choice, bot because he has to or can't get a more prestigious gig. He used to cover the Celtics in the heyday of the Bird-McHale-Parish era and he covered the Bruins, too.

    You cover those teams for that paper and you're pretty respected in your chosen field. It won't make a hill of beans difference to the suits in Bristol, but to say he has no juice is misleading.
     
  18. Well, maybe that's the problem here Casper: "drinking coke".
    If you watch the game while drinking beer, maybe those watching you would take the game more seriously! :D
    Bartender: "Hey, wait a minute... this game is being watched by a beer-drinking patron. Hmm... must be a serious sport. Maybe I should watch the game and see what's this all about!!"



    Hey... I'm just trying to increase my post count!
     
  19. ignatz

    ignatz New Member

    Jun 3, 2001
    Washington, DC
    I was on the road over the weekend before last and wanted to get the MLS scores. The only sports channel at the hotel I was in was ESPN, and I watched Sports Center. Not only did the announcers not give any of the scores, they didn't even have them on the bottom of the screen -- where they had everything else, including golf, arena football and horse racing. MLS just didn't exists on that Saturday night, May 3, so far as anything I was able to see on ESPN was concerned.

    ESPN repeatedly treats soccer as "non-news" then complains that no one watches it when they do put it on.

    As for the CL, there's a timing problem for some of us. It's on in the middle of the day and we have to work. I'm recording it.
     
  20. You tried watching SportCenter to get soccer info???

    Bwahahahahaha!!
    Now that is really funny!!
     
  21. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    That's just Ollie, he runs a website, and gives the impression that he has a lot of accurate inside information. Maybe he does, maybe he doesn't.
     
  22. AndyMead

    AndyMead Homo Sapien

    Nov 2, 1999
    Seat 12A
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    So, is it just me, or are Oliver Tse and Andy Busa agreeing with eachother?
     
  23. kenntomasch

    kenntomasch Member+

    Sep 2, 1999
    Out West
    Club:
    FC Tampa Bay Rowdies
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Oh, good a debate about Nielsen's methodology again.
     
  24. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    Ssshhhhhh. I can't hear the locusts with you talking.

    And ten bucks says that if they tried to show the games any other time of day, half the posters here would be swinging from light poles because the games weren't shown live.
     
  25. IASocFan

    IASocFan Moderator
    Staff Member

    Aug 13, 2000
    IOWA
    Club:
    Sporting Kansas City
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My VCR works great. I don't mind watching it after work. I just wish I had a Nielsen box. :)
     

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