Board Poll: One or Two Match threads?

Discussion in 'Chicago Fire' started by HalaMadrid, Apr 28, 2003.

  1. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    There's been some discussion lately among the mods on whether there should be one or two match threads for each game, and I'd like to hear what people comment on the issue some if nothing else, since there have been posts and PMs to us in favor of both.

    Since this is an off week it seems like it's a good time to bring it up.

    Would you like to see:

    - A single match thread containing all general discussion about the game both pre and post, with any other threads discussing specifics of the game (like has been done mostly until now)

    - A pre match discussion thread and a post match discussion thread, like this week

    or

    - Something else (please advise)

    Thanks for your input in advance.

    Please, Fire fans only participate. Thank you.
     
  2. Jeremy Goodwin

    Jeremy Goodwin Member+

    SSC Napoli
    Feb 16, 1999
    Club:
    Montreal Impact
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the problem is not having multiple threads, but having multiple threads where the same information is being transmitted. Today people were posting commentary and or partial results in both threads, which is counter to the whole point of having two threads. Results of any sort should not be included in a non-post game thread.

    That's why the POST GAME thread is marked [R] and the PRE GAME thread is not.
     
  3. -cman-

    -cman- New Member

    Apr 2, 2001
    Clinton, Iowa
    Pre-game threads for smack and plans. Post-game thread [R] for commentary and results. QED.
     
  4. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    I'm of the mind roadtrip threads/watch party threads are seperate issues from the game at hand. Fan-related threads and team-oriented threads don't need to be together and haven't really ever been.
     
  5. -cman-

    -cman- New Member

    Apr 2, 2001
    Clinton, Iowa
    I guess I meant that pre-game threads (to me anyway) meat more of the where-are-we-meeting, who's starting, who's injured, I-hope-Jason-Kreis-gets-hit-by-a-bus kind of thing. Post-game for in-game commentary and actual post-game analysis.
     
  6. feuerfex

    feuerfex Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Since I'm one who complained about multiple threads: Jeremy is right, but that isn't the entire issue.

    With one thread there is no ambiguity as to where discussion/information regarding the match is to be found. With more than one there is.

    For example, the first 14 posts or so in the [POST-GAME] thread, were not post game. If the thread is to contain post-game information, then, by definition, there shouldn't be any posts in it until after the conclusion of the game. If you want mid-game discussion, then you, according to the multiple thread theory, need a "during the match" thread.

    This sort of proliferation can get out of hand, and the next thing you know you've got 14 threads for each match.

    KISS

    One thread for each match is enough. Everything relevant to the match in one place, all in posted order. No confusion, no cross-checking between threads to attempt to determine chronology, no duplication of information in disparate places, no multiple discussion/arguments going on at the same time in different places. A much cleaner operation.
     
  7. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    i like a pre-game thread for starters, talking about the game and such, another thread for the road trippers (seperate thread for each game, not the one for dc and kc like this past time), and a third thread for pbp and post game reactions


    i like it this way because then threads don't blow up big time and become filled with evrything... instead they are fairly well defined and somewhat focused
     
  8. I'm a fan of simplicity. One works just fine for me. If a post doesn't interest me - skip it and move on.
     
  9. JeffGMc

    JeffGMc Member

    Oct 14, 2000
    New York City
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    I think if you're too lazy to skip ahead in a thread to get past the pre-game stuff it's a bit sad.

    One game, one thread.
     
  10. kevbrunton

    kevbrunton New Member

    Feb 27, 2001
    Edwardsburg, MI
    Club:
    Chicago Fire
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    My vote is for two threads -- one for pregame and one for pbp & post game.

    I don't like to have to wade thru all the pregame stuff to find out what happened during the game and catch up on what everyone thinks about the game afterwards.
     
  11. Iceblink

    Iceblink Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    There originally used to be at least two threads. I remember distinctly the change to a single thread because I hated it.

    I look at bigsoccer a lot, but I don't live here.

    With that in mind, I find it a big pain when there is a seven page match thread and I have to search through the entire thing, looking for where the pregame ends and the post-match begins, to find what I want.

    Feuerfex has a good point... that a bunch of the post-match thread was actually pregame stuff... but that's one of the reasons we have mods. I think this forum still has three... so they can be moved...

    He says, "KISS" but I think that a pre and post match thread ARE simple.

    Here's a twist as well... I don't think any of the match threads need to be made into stickies. They're current, and they'll end up toward the top as it stands. I don't think they're sticky material. When the match is over, the prematch thread will begin to fall, and the post match thread will stick around as people discuss the game.

    One more thing... someone mentioned having the post-match thread be for material posted during the game as well. I disagree with that. I want the post-match thread to be post-match only. I tend to find the stuff posted during the match to be particularly annoying, as people tend to try to beat each other with goals scored and match updates but end up posting the same little dinky messages.
     
  12. Iceblink

    Iceblink Member

    Oct 11, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Ipswich Town FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    It has nothing to do with laziness. Save that designation for people who stay in their cars in a parking lot waiting for a space up close for 20 minutes rather than just walking a bit.

    Some of these match threads get long. I find it to be a pain to have to go to page four, wondering if that's where the transition happens... then to page 5, 6, etc.
     
  13. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    i can understand how oodles of threads can be a bad thing... but having a couple more threads isn't going to kill us, it will make things more specific

    which would be great, imo

    there is too much throwing everything into this one thread... just let us post



    i don't want to wade through all the pre-game crap to get to post game stuff... and some of the pre-game stuff carries over to after the game, but doesn't belong in the post game thread... but since someone locks it because it was posted in, everything gets all out of whack... instead of being simple

    you guys seriously jumble too many threads into one thread (or lock them) just because something is shared between them, despite the fact that it was intentionally done seperately...
     
  14. alf

    alf Member+

    Jun 29, 1999
    Illinois
    Club:
    Chicago Red Stars
    I am definetely for the separate threads. Its makes things easier. Before the game, post lineups, pre-game news, and other stuff leading up til the game. Then after the game, post analysis and post game comments in that thread.
    That way you know where to go to find the information. People who don't check the boards everyday or people outside of the board can easily find what they are looking for.
    I look at the threads using 20 posts per threads and there is still way to many pages to wade through if it is just one thread.
     
  15. Achtung

    Achtung Member

    Jul 19, 2002
    Chicago
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I generally prefer one thread, just because I don't think they end up being that long. But neither one would really be a problem. As long as it doesn't get past two threads.
     
  16. chitowndoll

    chitowndoll New Member

    Jun 8, 2002
    MDSC HQ: design dept.
    one thread is sufficient in my opinion, because any pre-game posts will be posted in the thread pre-game, and any during or post-game posts will be posted after the game! easy as that for me. road trip and watch party posts are much different though.
     
  17. My vote is for two posts because just like Iceblink I would like to know quickly where the stupid stuff (pregame) ends and where the fun stuff (postgame) begins without searching through 5-6 pages (especially with a slow connection). Besides bigger isn't always better, and there is some reason why creatures multiply and don't just live forever. For those who are not as screwed up as I am, I reckon that if you really are into simplicity, two threads will simplify your life more than just one.

    Marcin
     
  18. OK, the voting is so close for both sides that I am soon expecting offers of incentives for a vote for either of the camps.
     
  19. RogerinIL

    RogerinIL New Member

    Feb 24, 1999
    I prefer two threads.

    In the first three games, the Fire game threads had
    128, 106, qnd 149 (latest to earliest) posts respectively.

    Sorting through the thread to find where the post game discussion starts can be time consuming.

    If a Fire thread has a minute by minute pbp, it can run over 200 posts. So there's alot to search through to fine the post match discussion.
     
  20. mannyfreshstunna

    mannyfreshstunna New Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    Naperville, no less
    A sound plan
     
  21. HalaMadrid

    HalaMadrid Member

    Apr 9, 1999
    It's pretty well split right down the middle, so a comprimise is in order.

    This week, I'm going to try 2 threads, one that is a prematch thread for the week leading in. The "postmatch" thread will appear the morning of the match (or in some cases the night before) and will encompass PbP, results, and all postmatch discussion.

    Match threads will no longer be stickied.

    We'll try it for a week and evaluate.
     
  22. feuerfex

    feuerfex Member

    Apr 21, 2001
    Can the users please attempt to refrain from posting in the postmatch thread until at least the start of the match. And not post information having to do with the actual events of the match in the pre-match thread. That would help the situation greatly.




    comprimise ?????? tch,tch
     

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