Blatter to ask FIFA for Quotas

Discussion in 'MLS: News & Analysis' started by triplet1, Feb 6, 2008.

  1. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006
    From the Independent:


    This could get interesting.


    Link: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...ld-force-clubs-to-cull-foreigners-778490.html
     
  2. jade1mls

    jade1mls Member

    Jul 9, 2006
    Seattle
  3. MarkRFC_

    MarkRFC_ New Member

    Oct 21, 2007
    Reading, England
    All talk, no substance, will never happen
     
  4. THOMA GOL

    THOMA GOL BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 16, 1999
    Frontier
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sepp Blatter, a man with no sex life. He is bored.
     
  5. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    The only American club I could see struggling with this potential rule is Fulham.
     
  6. SweetOwnGoal

    SweetOwnGoal Member

    Jan 5, 2003
    11.9986 km from BMO Field
    Club:
    Toronto FC
    Mo would be forced to actually work and finding and developing talented domestics at TFC, rather than simply lobbing MLS for rule changes...
     
  7. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    This would run afoul of both US and EU labor law, where lawful work permit holders must be treated the same as native-born citizens for the purpose of labor and employment.
     
  8. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006
    Indeed. The Independent isn't kidding when it says the proposal will face "major legal hurdles," especially in the EU, where workers are guaranteed the right of freedom of movement to other countries within the EU.

    FIFA has been working on it though.

    David Tayolr, FIFA's General Secretary, gave this interview in November:


    If they are indeed moving forward with this, FIFA must at least have formulated a strategy to deal with the EU restrictions that appear to prohibit these quotas.

    I can't speak to Canada or in much detail with respect to the US, but my sense, at least with respect to the United States, is that it is only difficult to treat foreign players differently once they are here and have contracts. The restrictions will have to kick in before those players get here. I suspect MLS could agree simply to sign fewer foreign players -- there is no right to "freedom of movement" from other countries for non-US citizens to the United States that I am aware of.

    Link:

    http://pitchinvasion.net/blog/2007/11/24/foreign-quotas-could-they-happen-legally/
     
  9. DoctorD

    DoctorD Member+

    Sep 29, 2002
    MidAtlantic
    Club:
    Philadelphia Union
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The underlying issue for FIFA is that the sport relies on nationalistic, regional, civic, sectarian, and ethnic rivalries for much of its popularity. The World Cup is the biggest display of nationalism existing in the 21st century. The European game is already a mess with a "federal" labor law trumping the FAs of individual states.

    Only by reinforcing the nationalistic character of the sport does the World Cup, FIFA's biggest money-maker, stay relevant.
     
  10. The Cadaver

    The Cadaver It's very quiet here.

    Oct 24, 2000
    La Cañada, CA
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Where does this fall on Sepp's priority list? Above or below redesigning uniforms for the women's game?
     
  11. LJSoccer

    LJSoccer Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Lake Jackson TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Player quotas or the lack of same, is the business of the owners, the league and the players association. Sepp needs to keep his nose out of affairs that he has absolutely no control over and shouldn't. If FIFA doesn't watch it, the big clubs and UEFA are going to hand them their heads. Is this just a disguised move to try to get more Englishman into their own league? Whether a man can get a job playing soccer should not be left in the hands of a corrupt, bureaucratic tool sitting in an office in Switzerland. It is a local matter, a league matter, an immigration matter that should be treated as such.
     
  12. triplet1

    triplet1 BigSoccer Supporter

    Jul 25, 2006

    A terrific observation. Unfortunately for FIFA, they are fanning the fires of nationalism at a time when football is more international then ever. Even within most of FIFA's confederations, international club football "Champions League" tournaments are now incredibly valuable. Many large clubs -- and many not so large clubs for that matter -- already have international rosters, and it will be a tough sell to get them to cut those players loose simply to increase the pool of domestic players for the national team to pick from.

    The cost is another thing. Just imagine the increase in the valuation of the best English players if the big clubs suddenly had to have six Englishmen on the field at all times.

    Again, this is shaping up to be a real battle IMO.
     
  13. JasonMa

    JasonMa Member+

    Mar 20, 2000
    Arvada, CO
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    But this rule, as presented in this thread, isn't saying you can't sign players, only that your starting 11 must have X amount of natives in it.

    I suppose its a problem for any league with a roster size cap, as you could be forced to take a native over an international in order to have the minimum required, but if there's no roster cap then there's no limit on who you can sign, just who you use in a game.

    Not that I think it gets them around the issues completely, but there is a hole there that they can try to worm through.
     
  14. monster

    monster Member

    Oct 19, 1999
    Hanover, PA
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Worry about your Revs, why doncha.
     
  15. LJSoccer

    LJSoccer Member

    Feb 21, 2007
    Lake Jackson TX
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The more I think about it, I think Sepp should write out the starting line ups for every club team on the planet for every game. Basically that's what he is doing anyway or at least wanting to do. Who cares about wining and attractive soccer, as long as Arsenal has 6 starting Englishman in the line up. That's what's good for the game. FIFA needs to get their pp spanked over this one. Why can't they just scalp world cup tickets. Hell that's something that they are good at just ask Jack Warner. I mean it's not like they should be working on technical innovations to the game that would allow an efficient use of instant replay, a better defined offsides rule, working with leagues to weed out corruption and train better refs or anything that remotely has anything to do with how the game is played. They now want to say who plays the game. This is why the US will never takes it's proper place in the world soccer community. Having an inept German sitting in an office in Switzerland with a corrupt, ticket scalping guy from Trinidad, telling people who can and can't make a living playing soccer will never be tolerated by a real American. The hypocrisy and corruption is more than we can bear. So lets say this does happen. What if leagues just say we ain't gonna dance to your tune, we are paying the band not you. What could FIFA really do? What if MLS, EPL,La Liga and the Bundisa liga said no way. Those countries couldn't go to the world cup. Think again. This will never be allowed to happen. I guarantee you that the American owners in the EPL will never be told who they can and can't hire by FIFA, by the EPL and English immigration yes, but not a non EPL / governmental authority.
     
  16. Maitreya

    Maitreya Member+

    Apr 30, 2007
    Providence, RI
    I think a big consequence of this rule, if it were ever enacted and overcame the legal challenges, would be more players not playing for the country of their birth but naturalizing to the nationalities of the richest leagues. Brazilians, Argentinians, and Africans would still want to play where the money is and if it took becoming German, English, etc in order to do so, I think many would. I believe Blatter is also upset at the Eduardo da Silva's of the world, so there would have to be some rule about naturalized players also and I can't see such a rule ever being legal.
     
  17. hollowfish

    hollowfish Member

    Aug 29, 2007
    Indiana
    The rules are different in the Coca Cola league arent they?
     
  18. paladius

    paladius Member

    Sep 27, 2003
    Frisco, Texas
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is long overdue.

    Fulham? No problem. They just need to join MLS as an expansion side.
     
  19. zippy85

    zippy85 Red Card

    Jul 4, 2007
    England
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Blatter needs to go on a diet......of sense.
     
  20. The Artist

    The Artist Member+

    Mar 22, 1999
    Illinois
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am slowly reaching the point where outside the World Cup I'd be perfectly happy if national team soccer did not exist.
     
  21. Kyonn

    Kyonn New Member

    Dec 24, 2004
    This will never happen; if FIFA tries it the G14 will start back up and challenge it in court (and win). The European high court would never allow this, no matter how FIFA paints it, at the end of the day football is just another occupation. You can’t on one hand say that plumbers in the EU can work wherever they want in the union but football players can’t.
     
  22. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I am not sure yet how I feel about the exact number (re: 6 players on the field), but the spirit of this idea is great! The Bosman ruling has only been in effect for 12 years. Prior to that, many of the greatest leagues had self-imposed limitations on the number of foreign players. For example, Serie A limited the number of foreign players on the field to 3. That amounted to 8 domestic players on the field, a greater number than what Sepp Blatter is proposing.

    I think such limits were in place for good reason; not only to help the respective national teams, but more broadly to help the entire domestic playing pool in general, which means a stronger domestic league and more teams that can compete for the championship.

    I also think these kinds of rules help even out the playing field. Lots of people call for salary caps and what not, but a foreign player limit is a much less harsh way of achieving a similar result. When the playing field is evened out, the fans win and the game is healthier. Right now the game is way too top-heavy, which is threatening the viability of the smaller clubs.

    - Paul
     
  23. bright

    bright Member

    Dec 28, 2000
    Central District
    Club:
    Seattle Sounders
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Sure you can. The United States federal government grants baseball an exemption from anti-trust laws. Why do they deserve such an exemption?

    - Paul
     
  24. Kyonn

    Kyonn New Member

    Dec 24, 2004
    The EU takes a much harder line when it comes to anti-trust laws (just ask microsoft). As you have noted it would take an act of the European Parliament for FIFA to get its way and I just can't see that happening.

    What about here in the US? If a foreign born player, lets say Jamie Moreno, becomes a citizen would he count as foreign or domestic in FIFA’s eyes? Under US law I believe it would be illegal to discriminate against a citizen based on national origin.

    There are just too many potential roadblocks to this; I just can’t ever see it happening.
     
  25. Veruca

    Veruca Member

    Jul 13, 2005
    Aurora, CO
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    A buffet would be a better choice.

    I think that he's been on a permanent diet of common sense.
     

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