Bitcoin, Blockchain, Battlestar Galactica

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  1. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    That post was from March 2024. Sun has constantly denied it, but now there's a court case going on which proves it happened - that about half a billion (real) dollars went missing from Sun's accounts.

    https://www.gtreview.com/news/globa...ycoon-sun-over-us456mn-stablecoin-investment/

    The problem in the crypto world is that you have infinite tools to smoke and mirror your way out of trouble if you are big enough.
     
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  2. superdave

    superdave Member+

    Jul 14, 1999
    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    So management is going to liquidate its bitcoins, right? Otherwise, it’s a blatant failure to maximize stockholder returns.
     
  3. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    They have no regard for shareholders. They keep issuing new stock to pay for the dividends and buy more Bitcoin, so shareholders hold less and less of the company.
     
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  4. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Isn’t that illegal?
     
  5. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    Why do you hate America, dave?
     
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  6. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
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  7. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Tottenham Hotspur
    Aug 22, 2001
    Near the mountains.
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    Nope. Companies issue new stock all the time. Often it is a way to earn some cash for some kind of capital expenditure. Microstrategy's capex is Bitcoin.
     
  8. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Raleigh NC
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    DC United
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    United States
    I’m sure it would be really hard to prove beyond a reasonable doubt, but I’m pretty sure the law says they have a fiduciary responsibility to the shareholders. Having “no regard” for shareholders by definition means not fulfilling their fiduciary responsibility.
     
  9. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    His position is that he is doing what they want by hoarding more and more Bitcoin at the expense of everything else. He has to be sued by the shareholders and they haven't despite the stock taking a hammering this year in a bull market.

    Besides, crypto crime is legal now.
     
  10. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
    Shropshire
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    Chelsea FC
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    England
    I'm not sure who we're talking about but, strictly speaking, if a shareholder or group of shareholders has more than 50% of the stock they don't need to sue anyone. They can simply vote to replace the board.

    It rarely, if ever, happens, though.
     
  11. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Bitcoin under $92,000. Still above the low point for the year, but below where it was a year ago.
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    And this is after Microstrategy bought a whole bunch last week at $104,000.

    Microstrategy's purpose is propping up the price, and them going down means bad news for Bitcoin.
     
  13. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Controlling interest in Microstrategy is owned by Saylor LLC, which is 100% controlled by Michael Saylor. So the shareholder Michael Saylor is required to benefit most is Michael Saylor.
     
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  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Bitcoin is under $90,000, which given its wild swings isn't any sort of catastrophe. Except for retail-level people that trade it, because they invariably use leverage. One popular site is called Hyperliquid, which is automated and no decisions are made by people. You can leverage at insane levels - like 20x. With drops like we saw, lots of people lose everything - hyperliquidated as it were.

    And to make everyone here feel good, one person that lost his entire position of $727,000 is Andrew Tate.

    https://finance.yahoo.com/news/andrew-tate-gets-hyperliquidated-bitcoin-140100730.html
     
  15. Smurfquake

    Smurfquake Moderator

    Aug 8, 2000
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    [​IMG]
     
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  16. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    I would have gone with Adam Driver’s MORE!!!!
     
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  17. Naughtius Maximus

    Jul 10, 2001
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    So this Saylor guy then :)
     
  18. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    According to Bloomberg, there is currently a discussion on whether Microstrategy should be dropped from major benchmarks such as the MSCI USA and Nasdaq 100. They want to get rid of all digital asset treasury firms, which Microstrategy is despite a money losing software rump. If they do it means lots of institutional investors will be getting out.

    This is important because the 'infinite money glitch' that sent Microstrategy and Bitcoin up works in the opposite way on the way down. To pay off dividends and debt they have to sell Bitcoin which lowers Bitcoin's price which lowers the value of Microstrategy which means they can't issue more stock which means they have to sell Bitcoin and the spiral starts.
     
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  19. soccernutter

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    Ah, that explains it. I've seen a few articles this week about billions exiting Bitcoin. This explains the reason why.

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  20. russ

    russ Member+

    Feb 26, 1999
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    All I got.
     
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  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Microstrategy's more about the near future. What's going on now is more a Wall Street phenomenon, and like all Wall Street phenomenon it's not easy to explain why. But money is definitely moving out of Bitcoin ETFs. It's possibly a response to dimming prospects of easy money in the future. Or maybe bad news from the Bitcoin miners, who are in trouble now except for the ones shifting to being AI datacenters.
     
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  22. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    Another thing to add is the end of the Japan carry trade, which is another source of cheap money used for speculation.
     
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  23. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
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    There has been concern the last month that Microstrategy didn't have the money to pay dividends and interest on their convertible bonds so they sold a bunch of common stock to raise $1.5 billion to build a buffer.

    https://beincrypto.com/microstrategy-bitcoin-fears-usd-reserve-us-crypto-news/

    What's the name of a kind of financial organization that sells more shares to pay the interest on earlier buyers of shares? I forget.
     
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  24. roby

    roby Member+

    SIRLOIN SALOON FC, PITTSFIELD MA
    Feb 27, 2005
    So Cal
    Close enough.....

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