Bitcoin, Blockchain, Battlestar Galactica

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  1. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Donnie has Israel's nuke secrets. Is that tradeable?
     
  2. superdave

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    More Kramer-esque.

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  3. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Earlier I mentioned Bucket Shops, a term for companies that deal in securities but don't actually buy and sell them. It can be a scam on unsuspecting stock purchasers, or it could be betting for people that like businessmen more than horses. As I said, very illegal in the US for a century.

    But not in Europe or Israel. There it takes the form of something called Binary Options trading. You make bets on which way some security is going to move. Then you get something or nothing depending on events. They also do something called CFD's, which are similar except the winnings and losses are uncapped. But since they pick what you can take bets on, and they do the checks, good luck winning anything. And even if you do, these guys never pay up. These are horrible people. Running massive boiler rooms, they are connected to fraud, forgery, blackmail, and money laundering. After a 2016 expose by the Times of Israel, they were outlawed in that country. The first of those firms to be shut down was called UTrade.

    So, why am I talking about non-crypto financial crime in the Battlestar Galactica thread? Because the people from UTrade ninja'd their money out and started up again in Cyrpus with a company called K-DNA. And when FTX wanted to expand to Europe, they couldn't get any regular bank to deal with them. So they bought K-DNA. And kept all the people to run FTX Europe.

    So while SBF is running his "Ah shucks, I'm just a bad businessman, which is totally not illegal" media tour, we always have to remember that there is real premeditated criminality at the core of this. K-DNA is just one example. You don't accidentally pick people like that.
     
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  4. The Jitty Slitter

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    Matt Levine takes another interesting look at 3AC and reveals how this was all complete nonsense. Specifically, these guys knew about 'exciting new crypto products' so made money, but knew little about investing so lost everything.

    I confess that a certain amount of steam came out my ears when I heard this. Here Davies is describing taking, essentially, equity risk on new crypto protocols. (Worse than equity risk; the token of some new crypto protocol probably has fewer legal rights and cash-flow claims than a share of stock.) He is making multi-year, illiquid, unhedgeable speculative investments in brand-new crypto protocols because he thinks “the market’s going up” and because he hopes that those protocols can hire people and build value. This is a venture capital investment. And he describes it as an arbitrage.​

    Basically this is a classic bubble. They made money because money was pouring in and the market was going up, and everyone seemed to think someone somewhere was building value in their ecosystems. This explains why crypto guys would offer huge returns, based on just giving their clients money to the likes of 3AC to 'invest' and in turn 3ACs idea of 'investing' was just giving the money to some other crypto guys (like Terra-Luna).

    Eventually the ponzis collapsed.
     
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  5. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Famed wood nymph (and also former CEO of Alameda) Caroline Ellison was spotted in New York recently. I'm not sure why anyone in her position would be in the US, let alone New York right now. Unless they were making a deal with the Feds. The criminal case may be moving faster than I thought.

    Also, SBF's dad has stopped teaching at Stanford and has turned his efforts to defending his sociopathic son. The criminal case may be moving fasterer than I thought.
     
  6. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Just saw this on the Yahoo landing page:

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    Looks like they are covering all their bets.
     
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  7. mbar

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  8. superdave

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    There’s a joke there somewhere, but goddamit, I can’t find it. The basic construct is that his clients keep getting sleazier, so the next step for Cohen would be defending Trump. Or Ted Cruz. Or Chicago pizza.

    I can’t stick the landing.
     
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  9. Pønch

    Pønch Saprissista

    Aug 23, 2006
    Donde siempre
    I would go with the devil saying "Even I don't want that asshole as my advocate", or something along those lines
     
  10. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Dershowitz is too busy complaining how no one in the Chilmark General Store will speak to him now.
     
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  11. chaski

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    To see the Christmas tree at Rockefeller Center.
     
  12. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    Who are the the Winklevoss twins? This isn't a rhetorical device - I really don't know. I never watched that Facebook movie. I gather they are guys with lots of money who are looking for ways to take even more money from nerds because they really hate them. And they may have pulled it off in a big way. At least, this is the story I hear.

    So there is this stablecoin called the Dai run by a decentralized organization of true believers called MakerDAO. And the way it works is that you can borrow Dai by overcollateralizing with Etherium. As I've mentioned before, this is a great mechanism for speculators - they keep the Etherium (although it is temporarily locked up) and so they get the benefit of whatever it does while they deal in other coins or systems. But not many trading places take Dai. So MakerDAO has a second service - they have a large store of fairly respected stablecoins (doesn't matter which ones - not Tether) and you can trade one-for-one with Dai. And now it's easy to go speculate.

    Now Winklevoss & Winklevoss. They run an exchange called Gemini (ooh... I just got it). They have their own stablecoin (because everyone does) called GUSD. So a few months ago they go to MakerDAO and say "hey, we are based in the US so we are obviously not a scam. Can you also deal in GUSD? You will be promoting a new crypto ecosystem and we'll make it worth your while". And they agree.

    So now the twins Winklevoss do The Great Crypto Maneuver™. They mint a butt ton of brand new unbacked GUSD, make a massive loan collateralized with that crap, and pull out around $460 million in stablecoins actually worth something. Good luck collecting on that, nerds.
     
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  13. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Winkelvi. They claimed Zuck stole FB from them. Believe they got a payout.
     
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  14. The Jitty Slitter

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    Grayscale appears to be in huge trouble.

    If it does turn out that the vast amount of BTC supposedly locked in to the Trust was loaned out and lost ... that will be an insane scandal because they are subject to actual US regulation and audit.

     
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  15. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Please don't forget to translate to Human when you post these. :thumbsup:
     
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  16. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

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    There is a large company called Digital Currency Group. They own lots of large crypto-related companies, such as an exchange, a trading firm, and a crypto news web site (which is honestly the only valuable thing they have now). But they recognized that trading Bitcoins is a little difficult - trades are slow and expensive and keeping them yourself is risky. So they also invented Greyscale, which was supposed to be an ETF which traded stocks on an exchange with nominal market cap equal to the massive store of Bitcoins they held. This way people could speculate on Bitcoins using fast, cheap stock exchanges.

    But Greyscale was never granted full ETF status, so it kind of fizzled. And the large store of Bitcoins were held in the Digital Currency Group's own exchange. DCG was trying really hard to create the crypto economy, so they have their fingers in a lot of pies. Turns out all the pies were rotten. Once flush with cash, now all of DCG is in trouble. With their capital dwindling, that big pile of fairly liquid coins must have looked like a tasty sandwich.

    If the coins still existed, it should be a simple matter to tell people the address and see it's there. They have not done that.
     
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  17. The Jitty Slitter

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    So basically there were a lot of normal investor people who wanted exposure to bitcoin (i.e to invest in bitcoin) but they didn't want to buy bitcoin because bitcoin is dumb and bad. Storing it is hard, and if you put it in exchanges, people steal it (thanks SBF!). None of that is good if you are a normal investment type person. Sorry - i lost all the BTC on this bricked hard drive!

    So grayscale was a way to have exposure to bitcoin as a normie. Instead of buying 1BTC for say $40k, you buy one share in the grayscale for 40K and the managers of grayscale go away and buy one BTC which is then locked into the fund. So everyone is happy. You have a share in grayscale which you can trade at any time, and the fund has asset 1BTC to represent your money. Then as BTC goes up - happy days, you sell your share in grayscale at the top of 60K and you made 20K!

    For this reason grayscale traded at a premium - i,e more than 1BTC due to being a convenient way to gamble on BTC.

    Then the ponzi bubble burst and BTC started going down, so grayscale started going down. The problem with grayscale, unlike a normal ETF, if you can't redeem - i.e give back your grayscale share and get back your 1BTC (or current value of 1BTC). Instead you have to find someone stupid enough to buy your share in grayscale and be locked in like you were. Thanks to this factor, grayscale now trades at a significant discount to BTC i,e when you sell your share, you get less than 1BTC back.

    If that wasn't dumb and bad enough (to quote David Gerard), it now looks like the managers might have gambled away all the BTC that were supposedly locked into grayscale. So that means you own shares in a worthless scam.

    LOL!
     
  18. The Jitty Slitter

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    #793 The Jitty Slitter, Dec 8, 2022
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    Yes - because the SEC doesn't like securities fraud :ROFLMAO:

    If you allow that, you might as well just let fund managers create crypto funds and sell unregistered crypto securities direct to the public
     
  19. The Jitty Slitter

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    This is a good blog post on why the SEC is not letting grayscale and co create ETF scams.

    https://amycastor.com/2022/04/30/gbtc-investors-are-spamming-the-sec-/
     
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  20. chaski

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    Return to sender, address unknown
    No such number, no such zone.
     
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  21. The Jitty Slitter

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    I’ve posted a long read from this guy before

    his view is the blockfi bailout was used to steal the money of FTX US customers

    in other words it wasnt a bailout but a huge fraud

     
  22. celito

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    SBF arrested in Bahamas after US files criminal charges. About time.
     
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  23. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
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    Mom & Pops said his legal defense could bankrupt them.
     
  24. superdave

    superdave Member+

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    Sucks to have raised AND ENABLED a sociopath then.
     
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  25. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
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    Yeah, they weren't complaining when they got that multi-million dollar vacation home. You would think some of the greatest business lawyers in the US would know you don't get billions from thin air. I'm a moron and I know that. Somehow they let their son bamboozle them, which is also something that should be difficult to do to some of the greatest business lawyers in the US.
     

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