Bill Hamid's return to the NT

Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LouisianaViking07/09, Jan 16, 2020.

  1. LouisianaViking07/09

    Aug 15, 2009
     
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  2. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I worry about Hamid disappearing in the big games and consistently having the right mentality. Also he seemed to have brain farts from time to time.

    That said, it’s quite sad because he’s extremely talented.
     
  3. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    #3 adam tash, Jan 17, 2020
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    The United States is (supposedly) about freedom (of speech).

    The general trend in US sports lately is to punish any and all who speak freely in the sports world ...whenever the opinion of the speaker goes against the dominant politcally correct view of society or generally business-minded top-down view of ownership. it is anti-democratic and fascist.

    It happens more in some sports more than others. Soccer is one that is extreme in this regard for whatever reason. The NFL and NBA seem to be similar lately.

    Personally, I hate it.

    I think punishing a jermaine jones, russell canouse or bill hamid etc for merely speaking honestly to the press is repugnant on different levels. One, it goes against the basic ideals of humanity and the USA, imo. two, it sends a chilling message to society in general and encourages submissiveness and expression suppression generally (which I think is a big part of this recent directive). three, it hurts discourse in the sport. there are not a lot of voices in us soccer that move the needle...and the needle needs to be moved! BIG TIME!"

    The day the usmnt is full of swagged out...yet intelligent voices ...that won´t bite their lip and dont feel the need to....will be a good day for the team and the sport.

    That day will likely be a day that the team will also not be one that bows down in fear on the field to presitgious oppnents which has been a long time problem for the usmnt. the current dynamic is postively selecting for passive rule-followers and it shows on the field.

    Give me more clint mathis, dempsey hamid, jermaine jones etc.....
     
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  4. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think it's because they're team sports not individual sports. All Star teams can be beaten by a lesser talented "team" that all pulls together. Those that like to say anything should have chosen golf, bowling, tennis etc.
     
  5. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    thats the excuse. i honestly think a lot of it is social conditioning designed by the ruling elites that own these teams...they also own the corporations and use control over athletes to send a message to the labor force that they also control indirectly. aka employees have no voice.

    i´ve never understood the logic of accepting a job means cutting out one´s tongue. truly hate it.
     
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  6. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I mean I haven't studied it but I don't think it would be that hard to see if teams that are more together win more or not. I've also seen some players get mad at those who gave bulletin board material although about 1/4 of the time I've seen that team win. Of course the player popping off may do so because his team is the underdog / less talented so that may not mean that much.
     
  7. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The idea of being able to say what you want without any recourse is very naive. Not to mention that freedom of speech doesn't mean you can say *anything* you want.

    If Hamid is going to publically vocalize what certain players should/shouldn't be in camp he shouldn't be shocked to see that people may not want to include him in the NT locker room. Not to mention the world market has already rated him poorly, which isn't happening for other goalkeepers atm.

    The irony here is that people are upset of the people's opinions on Hamid but simultaneously think that Hamid should be able to say whatever he wants : /
     
  8. Editor In Chimp

    Editor In Chimp Member+

    Sep 7, 2008
    Quite frankly I’m surprised the question didn’t simply fly right past Hamid’s head
     
  9. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    there´s a line between...no a chasm between....saying "anything you want"...and being to address anything relevant.

    i´m not dying on the hill of 100% freedom 100% of the time...that would indeed be naive....

    but taking your example...i see a player expressing his choices for a roster say..as well within the bounds and not something he should be subject to exclusion for.

    its not that people arent allowed opinions or shouldnt be....just that they shouldnt be able to say offensive or hurtful things to or about others....something hamid has yet to do.......

    and its notn even only about him...its the general atmosphere of openness in the press for athletes that hamid is an example of that matters to me.
     
  10. soccersubjectively

    soccersubjectively BigSoccer Supporter

    Jan 17, 2012
    Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    You are worried that the response to Hamid will diminish the amount times in the future a professional athlete vocalizes they are better than their (would be) teammates?
     
  11. TrueCrew

    TrueCrew Member+

    Dec 22, 2003
    Columbus, OH
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Freedom of speech is about being protected from the GOVERNMENT punishing people for what they say (or do not say).

    It has absolutely nothing to do with how private entities behave. Nothing.

    And while agree with your sentiment about the result being a bunch of boring quotes from players who cannot express their opinions for fear of reprisal, one should expect reprecussions if you bite the hand that feeds you. Nothing fascist about it. Just common sense.

    You do not have the right to work for someone & bad mouth them at the same time. You just don't. Feel free to criticize all you want, but start looking for another job.
     
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  12. adam tash

    adam tash Member+

    Jul 12, 2013
    how ironic

    yes the USMNT operates itself as a private entity...

    who agreed to that? the national soccer team is a PUBLIC TEAM

    the women can argue for equal pay on that basis, no?

    leaders of these teams shouldnt be able to get away with that...but we are so conditioned to submit to "authority figures" that I guess no one seems to differentiate beyond that anymore

    even on private entities I have a huge problem with the idea that free speech is only protected by the government and thereofre when one sells one´s labor they are not protected. we are all prisnoers of the labor market and have no alternative but to enter it...so the idea that we can choose which cell to live does not mean we are free.

    I think players in MLS or the NBA should be allowed to speak freely without fear of job loss/punishment...

    an NFL player was just fired for saying the word retard on twitter in response to a troll....its getting out of hand!!!!

    even if there is no formal legisltaive protection...we as a society should push for that! we should apply social pressure on any entity that limits or hinders that...it should be on the coach/etc who excludes free speakers...we disagree but that is my view.
     
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