BigSoccer's Players of the Season: 1909-1910

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  1. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC

    Here are the main matches of the 1909-1910 season in chronological order.
    Any details about missing goalscorers and best players from match reports would be appreciated.

    Scottish League, Celtic-Falkirk 2-0, 21.8.1909, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Liverpool-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 11.9.1909, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Aston Villa 3-2, 18.9.1909, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    URU-ARG 2-2, 19.9.1909, Montevideo, Attendance: 9,000
    goals: Raymonda, Buck / Viale, o.g.

    ARG-URU 3-1, 10.10.1909, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: A. Brown 2, J. Brown / Raymonda

    HUN-AUT 2-2, 7.11.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Schlosser 2 / Schmieger 2

    Football League, Aston Villa-Liverpool 3-1, 18.12.1909, Birmingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers- Liverpool 1-1, 22.1.1910, Blackburn, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    Football League, Aston Villa-Blackburn Rovers 4-3, 29.1.1910, Birmingham, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, IRL-ENG 1-1, 12.2.1910, Belfast, Solitude Ground, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Thompson 43' / Fleming 51'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0105Ire1910.html

    Football League-Scottish League 2-3, 26.2.1910, Ewood Park, Blackburn, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: 0-1 Devine (13 min.), 1-1 Parkinson (14 min.), 1-2 Quinn (47 min.), 2-2 Brittleton (62 min.), 2-3 Quinn (78 min.).
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, SCO-WAL 1-0, 5.3.1910, Rugby Park, Kilmarnock, Attendance: 22,000
    goals: Devine (86)
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Clyde-Celtic 3-1, 12.3.1910, Cumbernauld, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Robertson, Chalmers 2 / Kivlichan
    best players: ?
    Sunderland's famous amateur, Leigh Roose played for Celtic.

    BEL-NED 3-2, 13.3.1910, Antwerp, Attendance: 8,500
    goals: Deveen 2, Six / Lutjens, Dé Kessler

    British Home Championship, WAL-ENG 0-1, 14.3.1910, Cardiff, Ninian Park, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: Ducat 66'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0106Wal1910.html

    British Home Championship, IRL-SCO 1-0, 19.3.1910, Belfast, Windsor Park, Attendance: 17,000
    goals: Thompson (54)
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Newcastle United-Swindon Town 2-0, 26.3.1910, White Hart Lane, London, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final, Barnsley-Everton 0-0, 26.3.1910, Elland Road, Leeds, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Barnsley-Everton 3-0, 31.3.1910, Old Trafford, Manchester, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    British Home Championship, SCO-ENG 2-0, 2.4.1910, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 106,200
    goals: McMenemy 20', Quinn 32'
    best players: ?
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0107Sco1910.html
    Billy Hibbert replaced Swindon Town FC's Harold Fleming, who was injured in a recent cup-tie.
    The game was fast and interesting from the start, and for nearly 20 minutes neither side could claim any marked advantage. Everything up to that point suggested a close and even fight, but then Scotland scored, and a great change came over the play. The Scottish side, encouraged by their success, played with fine dash and confidence, whereas the limitations of the English defence, suggested even in the early stages of the match, became more and more marked. A second goal for Scotland followed rather more than half an hour from the start, and afterwards there was never any doubt about the result...

    Scottish Cup Final, Dundee-Clyde 2-2, 9.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Hunter 87', Langlands 90' / Chalmers, Booth
    best players: ?

    NED-BEL 7-0, 10.4.1910, Haarlem, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Welcker 2, Francken 3, Thomée 2

    British Home Championship, WAL-IRL 4-1, 11.4.1910, The Racecourse, Wrexham, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Evans 2 G. Morris 2 / Darling
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Dundee-Clyde 0-0 (a.e.t.), 16.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    best players: ?

    Scottish Cup Final second replay, Dundee-Clyde 2-1, 20.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 24,000
    goals: Bellamy 15', Hunter 56' / Chalmers 3'
    best players: ?

    FA Cup Final, Newcastle United-Barnsley 1-1, 23.4.1910, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 77,700
    goals: Rutherford 83' / Tufnell 37'
    best players: ?

    Scottish League, Falkirk-Celtic 2-0, 23.4.1910, Falkirk, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?
    Celtic lost to eventual league title runners-up Falkirk, but Celtic had already sealed the league title.

    NED-GER 4-2, 24.4.1910, Arnhem, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Lutjens, Thomée 2, (own goal) / Kipp, Fick

    FA Cup Final replay, Newcastle United-Barnsley 2-0, 28.4.1910, Goodison Park, Liverpool, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Shepherd 52', 62' (pen)
    best players: ?

    Football League, Liverpool-Aston Villa 2-0, 30.4.1910, Liverpool, Attendance: ?
    goals: ?
    best players: ?

    AUT-HUN 2-1, 1.5.1910, Hohe Warte, Vienna, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Fischera, Hussak / Dobó

    DEN-ENG* 2-1, 5.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Lindgren, Wolfhagen / Steer
    best players: ?
    The match is a full international for Denmark, but not for England, who played with their amateur side. This is the first loss of the English amateur team.

    Glasgow Charity Cup Final, Clyde-Third Lanark 1-1 (Clyde won 8-4 on number of corners), 14.5.1910, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: 1-0 Chalmers, 1-1 Richardson
    best players: ?

    Copenhagen Select-Liverpool 3-0, ?.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?
    Copenhagen Select-Liverpool 0-1, ?.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?

    GER-BEL 0-3, 16.5.1910, Duisburg, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Saeys 2, Van Staceghem

    HUN-ITA 6-1, 26.5.1910, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Schlosser 2, Weisz, Károly, Dobó, Koródy / Rizzi

    ARG-URU 4-1, 12.6.1910, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Viale, Hayes, Hutton, Susan / Piendibene

    SAF-ENG 0-2, 29.6.1910, Durban, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Hibbert (3)
    best players: ?
    FA Tour of South Africa, First Test
     
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  2. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Additions in red.


    Scottish League, Celtic-Falkirk 2-0, 21.8.1909, Celtic Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: McMenemy, Kivlichan
    best players: McMenemy

    Football League, Liverpool-Blackburn Rovers 3-1, 11.9.1909, Liverpool, Attendance: 23,000
    Goals: Stewart, McDonald, Parkinson / Davies
    best players: Parkinson

    Football League, Blackburn Rovers-Aston Villa 3-2, 18.9.1909, Blackburn, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Ellis Crompton, Anthony, Chapman / Gerrish, Walters
    best players: Cowell, Chapman, Latheron / Cartlidge (gk), Wallace, Walters

    URU-ARG 2-2, 19.9.1909, Montevideo, Attendance: 9,000
    goals: Raymonda, Buck / Viale, o.g.

    ARG-URU 3-1, 10.10.1909, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 6,500
    goals: A. Brown 2, J. Brown / Raymonda

    Football League, Manchester United 2 Aston Villa 0, 16.10.1909, Attendance: 20,000
    Goals: Sandy Turnbull, Halse
    Best Players: Wall, Sandy Turnbull / Cartlidge (gk)


    HUN-AUT 2-2, 7.11.1909, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Schlosser 2 / Schmieger 2

    Football League, Liverpool 6 Newcastle 5, 4.12.1909, Attendance: 25,000
    Goals: Stewart, Parkinson 2, Orr 2, Goddard / Howie, Shepherd 4
    Best Players: Parkinson / Shepherd
    Liverpoool were 2-5 down at half-time.

    Football League, Newcastle 1 Aston Villa 0, 11.12.1909, Attendance: 20,000
    Goals: Higgins
    Best Players: Whitson, Waugh, Lawrence (gk) / Bache, Gerrish, Hall


    Football League, Aston Villa-Liverpool 3-1, 18.12.1909, Birmingham, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: Hampton, Bache 2 / Parkinson (pen)
    best players: Hampton, Buckley, Hall / Hardy (gk), Orr, McDonald


    Football League, Blackburn Rovers- Liverpool 1-1, 22.1.1910, Blackburn, Attendance: 16,000
    goals: Garbutt / Stewart
    best players: Cowell /

    Football League, Aston Villa-Blackburn Rovers 4-3, 29.1.1910, Birmingham, Attendance: 13,000
    goals: Hampton 2, og, Bache / Ellis Crompton 2, Cameron
    best players: Hampton, Wallace / Anthony, Aitkenhead

    British Home Championship, IRL-ENG 1-1, 12.2.1910, Belfast, Solitude Ground, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Thompson 43' / Fleming 51'
    best players: McConnell, Scott (gk) / Wedlock, Fleming
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0105Ire1910.html

    Football League, Manchester United 3 Liverpool 4, 19.2.1910, Attendance: 40,000
    Goals: Sandy Turnbull, Homer, Wall / Goddard 2, Stewart 2
    Best players: Sandy Turnbull / Hardy (gk)
    The first match at Old Trafford.


    Football League, Aston Villa 7 Manchester United 1, 26.2.1910, Attendance: 20,000
    Goals: Gerrish 2, Walters 3, Hampton 2 / og
    Best players: Wallace, Eyre, Walters, Hunter / Meredith, Roberts


    Football League-Scottish League 2-3, 26.2.1910, Ewood Park, Blackburn, Attendance: 30,000
    goals: 0-1 Devine (13 min.), 1-1 Parkinson (14 min.), 1-2 Quinn (47 min.), 2-2 Brittleton (62 min.), 2-3 Quinn (78 min.).
    best players: McMenemy, Bennett, Quinn / Crompton

    Athletic News headline: Scottish Science Versus Saxon Speed

    British Home Championship, SCO-WAL 1-0, 5.3.1910, Rugby Park, Kilmarnock, Attendance: 22,000
    goals: Devine (86)
    best players: McMenemy, Devine / Meredith, Roose (gk)

    Scottish Cup Semi-final, Clyde-Celtic 3-1, 12.3.1910, Cumbernauld, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Robertson, Chalmers 2 / Kivlichan
    best players: Chalmers
    Sunderland's famous amateur, Leigh Roose played for Celtic.

    BEL-NED 3-2, 13.3.1910, Antwerp, Attendance: 8,500
    goals: Deveen 2, Six / Lutjens, Dé Kessler

    British Home Championship, WAL-ENG 0-1, 14.3.1910, Cardiff, Ninian Park, Attendance: 20,000
    goals: Ducat 66'
    best players: Roose (gk), Meredith / Hardy (gk), Crompton, Pennington
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0106Wal1910.html

    British Home Championship, IRL-SCO 1-0, 19.3.1910, Belfast, Windsor Park, Attendance: 17,000
    goals: Thompson (54)
    best players: McConnell /

    FA Cup Semi-final, Newcastle United-Swindon Town 2-0, 26.3.1910, White Hart Lane, London, Attendance: 35,000
    goals: Rutherford, Stewart
    best players: Veitch, McWilliam, Higgins /

    FA Cup Semi-final, Barnsley-Everton 0-0, 26.3.1910, Elland Road, Leeds, Attendance: 33,000
    goals: ?
    best players: Ness, Uttley / W Scott (gk)

    FA Cup Semi-final replay, Barnsley-Everton 3-0, 31.3.1910, Old Trafford, Manchester, Attendance: 40,000
    goals: Gadsby, Forman, Tufnell
    best players: Downs, Glendinning, Bartron / Makepiece, Maconnachie

    British Home Championship, SCO-ENG 2-0, 2.4.1910, Glasgow, Hampden Park, Attendance: 106,200
    goals: McMenemy 20', Quinn 32'
    best players: Thomson, Quinn, McWilliam, McMenemy, Aitken, Bennett / Hardy (gk), Crompton, Pennington
    http://www.englandfootballonline.com/Seas1900-39/1909-10/M0107Sco1910.html
    Billy Hibbert replaced Swindon Town FC's Harold Fleming, who was injured in a recent cup-tie.
    The game was fast and interesting from the start, and for nearly 20 minutes neither side could claim any marked advantage. Everything up to that point suggested a close and even fight, but then Scotland scored, and a great change came over the play. The Scottish side, encouraged by their success, played with fine dash and confidence, whereas the limitations of the English defence, suggested even in the early stages of the match, became more and more marked. A second goal for Scotland followed rather more than half an hour from the start, and afterwards there was never any doubt about the result...

    Scottish Cup Final, Dundee-Clyde 2-2, 9.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Hunter 87', Langlands 90' / Chalmers, Booth
    best players: / Booth

    NED-BEL 7-0, 10.4.1910, Haarlem, Attendance: 11,000
    goals: Welcker 2, Francken 3, Thomée 2

    British Home Championship, WAL-IRL 4-1, 11.4.1910, The Racecourse, Wrexham, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Evans 2 G. Morris 2 / Darling
    best players: Evans

    Scottish Cup Final replay, Dundee-Clyde 0-0 (a.e.t.), 16.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    best players: Crumley (gk) / Watson, Blair

    Scottish Cup Final second replay, Dundee-Clyde 2-1, 20.4.1910, Ibrox Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 24,000
    goals: Bellamy 15', Hunter 56' / Chalmers 3'
    best players: Hunter

    FA Cup Final, Newcastle United-Barnsley 1-1, 23.4.1910, Crystal Palace, London, Attendance: 77,700
    goals: Rutherford 83' / Tufnell 37'
    best players: Rutherford

    Scottish League, Falkirk-Celtic 2-0, 23.4.1910, Falkirk, Attendance: 9,000
    goals: McTavish, Logan
    best players: Logan
    Celtic lost to eventual league title runners-up Falkirk, but Celtic had already sealed the league title.

    NED-GER 4-2, 24.4.1910, Arnhem, Attendance: 10,000
    goals: Lutjens, Thomée 2, (own goal) / Kipp, Fick

    FA Cup Final replay, Newcastle United-Barnsley 2-0, 28.4.1910, Goodison Park, Liverpool, Attendance: 60,000
    goals: Shepherd 52', 62' (pen)
    best players: Rutherford, Howie /

    Football League, Liverpool-Aston Villa 2-0, 30.4.1910, Liverpool, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: Orr, Parkinson
    best players: Parkinson

    AUT-HUN 2-1, 1.5.1910, Hohe Warte, Vienna, Attendance: 4,000
    goals: Fischera, Hussak / Dobó

    DEN-ENG* 2-1, 5.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: 7,000
    goals: Lindgren, Wolfhagen / Steer
    best players: ?
    The match is a full international for Denmark, but not for England, who played with their amateur side. This is the first loss of the English amateur team.

    Glasgow Charity Cup Final, Clyde-Third Lanark 1-1 (Clyde won 8-4 on number of corners), 14.5.1910, Hampden Park, Glasgow, Attendance: 25,000
    goals: 1-0 Chalmers, 1-1 Richardson
    best players: Orr, Ferguson, Hosie / Gilligan, Walker, Stirling, Jackson, Booth

    Copenhagen Select-Liverpool 3-0, ?.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?
    Copenhagen Select-Liverpool 0-1, ?.5.1910, Copenhagen, Attendance: ?
    Other matches between Danish and English teams took place in May and June. A Danish Select XI played Division 2 champions Manchester City twice, winning 5-2 and losing 2-3. A Denmark Select team faced Notts County three times, drawing once (2-2) and losing twice (2-4 and 1-2). Notts County finished ninth in Division 1. Liverpool were runners-up.

    GER-BEL 0-3, 16.5.1910, Duisburg, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Saeys 2, Van Staceghem

    HUN-ITA 6-1, 26.5.1910, Millenáris Sporttelep, Budapest, Attendance: 12,000
    goals: Schlosser 2, Weisz, Károly, Dobó, Koródy / Rizzi

    ARG-URU 4-1, 12.6.1910, Buenos Aires, Attendance: 8,000
    goals: Viale, Hayes, Hutton, Susan / Piendibene

    SAF-ENG 0-2 3, 29.6.1910, Durban, Attendance: 5,000
    goals: Hibbert (3)
    best players: ?
    FA Tour of South Africa, First Test

    SAF 2 England 6, 23.7.1910, Johannesburg, Attendance 13,000
    Goals: Messer, Hartigan / Fleming 2, Woodward 2, Wall, Holley

    SAF 3 England 6, 30.7.1910, Cape Town, Attendance 5,000

    Goals: og, Lincoln, Hartigan / Holley 2, Woodward 2, Fleming, Berry


    Newspaper sources: Daily Telegraph & Courier, Sporting Life, The Sportsman, Athletic News, Birmingham Daily Gazette, Lancashire Evening Post, Liverpool Echo, Manchester Courier, Nottingham Journal, Sheffield Daily Telegraph, Yorkshire Post, Dundee Evening Telegraph, Dundee Press, The Scotsman, Scottish Referee, Belfast News-Letter, Derry Journal.

    Sources are from the British Newspaper Archive, managed by the British Library Board.
     
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  3. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    Suggested best XI 1909-10 (2-3-5):

    Hardy - Bob Crompton, Pennington - Aitken, Thomson, McWilliam - Meredith, McMenemy, Sophus Nielsen, Higgins, Quinn.
     
  4. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Here are my nominees for this season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Aitken, Andrew SCO Leicester Fosse
    Bache, Joseph ENG Aston Villa
    Bennett, Alexander SCO Rangers
    Brownlie, James SCO Third Lanark
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Fleming, Harold ENG Swindon Town
    Hampton, Harry ENG Aston Villa
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    Hay, James SCO Celtic
    Higgins, Alexander SCO Newcastle United
    McConnell, English IRL The Wednesday
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McWilliam, Peter SCO Newcastle United
    Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    Morris, Charles WAL Derby County
    Nielsen, Sophus DEN BK Frem
    Parkinson, John ENG Liverpool
    Pennington, Jesse ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Quinn, James SCO Celtic
    Roose, Leigh WAL Sunderland
    Scott, William IRL Everton
    Thomson, Charles SCO Sunderland
    Wallace, Charles ENG Aston Villa

    This season we once again have someone from the European Continent, Nielsen from Denmark. Maybe more players from the Danish team could be added, but the British press did not seem to take notice of the defeat of the British amateurs. Central Europe and South America is still behind the level of the British players.

    Top 3:
    1. McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    2. Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    3. Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers

    McMenemy has won the Scottish League and the British Home Championship, whereas Hardy came up second in both competitions with his team. Maybe Meredith could replace Crompton. Both played well in their national teams, and collected the same number of points with their clubs in the Football League.
     
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  5. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    McMenemy deserves top spot. Hardy, Crompton and Meredith would appear to be at a similar level.

    Danish teams have a reasonable record against English opponents this season. The 3-0 win against league runners-up Liverpool was the most significant result. Denmark's national team inflicting a first defeat on the England Amateur XI reversed the result of the 1908 Olympic Final. As you say, the British press is still not interested.

    It was a lean season for British forwards. Woodward was marked out of the Ireland game by Sheffield Wednesday's McConnell, and not selected to face the Scots. His first season in the First Division saw his new team Chelsea relegated. All England's forwards played poorly against Scotland.

    Among the Scottish front men representing their country in the fixture, McMenemy and Quinn, the Celtic pair, enjoyed good seasons, aged 29 and 31 respectively. McMenemy was nicknamed "Napoleon" for his strategic awareness. Outside-right Bennett had a good game against England but received mixed reviews north of the border. On the other wing Bobby Templeton, now with mid-table Kilmarnock, returned for the big game after a six-year absence due to lack of alternatives. He would be replaced the following year by 34 year-old Alex Smith. Sandy Higgins of Newcastle had a consistent, rather than outstanding, year.

    The best forward in the Football League was still Welshman Billy Meredith, who turned 36 in July 1910.
     
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  6. Noqai

    Noqai Member

    Dynamo Kyiv
    Ukraine
    Sep 9, 2019
    What do you think of the non-british all-star team before WWI (1900-1914, not by seasons, but totally)? it would be interesting as "honorable mention".
     
  7. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    An initial attempt:

    Domonkos (Hungary) - Buchwald (Denmark), Jorge Brown (Argentina) - N Middelboe (Denmark), De Korver (Netherlands), Berth (Denmark) -
    Pilat (Bohemia), Sophus Nielsen (Denmark), Piendibene (Uruguay), Schlosser (Hungary), Kosek (Bohemia)
     
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  8. Noqai

    Noqai Member

    Dynamo Kyiv
    Ukraine
    Sep 9, 2019
    Thanks. For shortlist 23 could add keepers Just Gobel and Sophus Hansen, defenders - Gyula Rumbold and Imre Payer, midfielders - Vilmos Kertesz and Helge Ekroth, forwards - Jan Studnicka (first austrian superstar), Gaspar Borbas, Tist Nielsen, Anton Olsen, Huug de Groot and Jan Vos. How do you think? Also Pichichi, Friedenreich and Ohaco?
     
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  9. peterhrt

    peterhrt Member+

    Oct 21, 2015
    Club:
    Leeds United AFC
    An interesting list. Some of these names will need to be considered in due course.

    Friedenreich and Ohaco played most of their football after 1914, as did Tist Nielsen and Pichichi, although Nielsen had scored 16 goals in 8 internationals by June 1914.

    The Hungarian federation voted Rumbold their eighth best right-back a hundred years later, so his reputation in his own country must have endured.
     
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  10. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    For the shortlist 23 we should only add players who played particularly well in the given season. For the British players we base this on contemporary match reports, thanks to peterhrt.

    Unfortunately, we do not have contemporary match reports from Continental Europe, so we should select players with reputation whose team have achieved good results against British teams.

    This season only Copenhagen and Denmark faced and played well against top British teams. The previous seasons showed Netherlands/Austria-Hungary/South America were not yet up to the British standard.


    I am aware we should have more and more Continental and South American players. For the first few seasons in the early 1920s Tom Stevens in this forum usually selected around 9 British, 9 Continental European and 5 South American players. Hopefully we can do the transition to his lists, but in my opinion it was during the World War years that Continental Europe and South America became more prominent.
     
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  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #11 msioux75, Sep 29, 2019
    Last edited: Sep 29, 2019
    Buchwald and J.Brown had similar careers, both started as centreforwards being goalscorers in their countries, but in their mid-20s they became Backs, captains and leading figures in their sides.

    Other interesting players from the non-UK countries in the 1900s:

    1st Tier:
    Denmark - Axel Byrval, Johannes Gandil, Oskar Norland
    South Africa - Hartigan

    2nd Tier:
    Argentina - Watson Hutton
    Austria - Jan Studnicka
    Boheme - E.Benda
    Hungary - G.Rumbold
    Netherlands - Bok de Korver, K.Heitjing

    3rd Tier:
    Belgium - Charles Cambier, Robert de Veen
    Brazil - Charles Miller
    Sweden - E.Borjesson
    Uruguay - Bolívar Céspedes, J.Harley

    4th Tier: Spain, France, Germany, Italy, USA
     
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  12. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    In the next decade, the 1910s, all non-Uk countries improved their level
     
  13. elegos7

    elegos7 Member

    Jun 28, 2014
    Club:
    Liverpool LFC
    Final results of the season.

    23 Man Shortlist

    Aitken, Andrew SCO Leicester Fosse
    Bache, Joseph ENG Aston Villa
    Bennett, Alexander SCO Rangers
    Brownlie, James SCO Third Lanark
    Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers
    Fleming, Harold ENG Swindon Town
    Hampton, Harry ENG Aston Villa
    Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    Hay, James SCO Celtic
    Higgins, Alexander SCO Newcastle United
    McConnell, English IRL The Wednesday
    McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    McWilliam, Peter SCO Newcastle United
    Meredith, William WAL Manchester United
    Morris, Charles WAL Derby County
    Nielsen, Sophus DEN BK Frem
    Parkinson, John ENG Liverpool
    Pennington, Jesse ENG West Bromwich Albion
    Quinn, James SCO Celtic
    Roose, Leigh WAL Sunderland
    Scott, William IRL Everton
    Thomson, Charles SCO Sunderland
    Wallace, Charles ENG Aston Villa

    Top 3:
    1. McMenemy, James SCO Celtic
    2. Hardy, Samuel ENG Liverpool
    3. Crompton, Robert ENG Blackburn Rovers

    Best XI (2-3-5):
    Hardy - Bob Crompton, Pennington - Aitken, Thomson, McWilliam - Meredith, McMenemy, Sophus Nielsen, Higgins, Quinn.
     

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