BigSoccer Top 250

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by schwuppe, Mar 28, 2011.

  1. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    So I was bored again and compiled a list... straight up, 250 best players ever and I'll definitely need your help for improvement.
    - Without order
    - Only retired players

    Albert
    Ademir
    Ademir de Guia
    Altafini
    Andrade Jose Leandro
    Andrade Victor
    Antognoni
    Ardiles
    Artime
    Asparukhov
    Baggio
    Baresi
    Batistuta
    Beckenbauer
    Belanov
    Bene
    Bergkamp
    Bergomi
    Best
    Bettega
    Bican
    Binder Franz
    Blanc
    Blanchflower
    Blokhin
    Bloomer
    Bochini
    Boniek
    Boniperti
    Bozsik
    Braine Raymond
    Brehme
    Breitner
    Cabrini
    Cafu
    Canhoteiro
    Cantona
    Careca
    Carlos Albert
    Carrizo
    Charles
    Charlton
    Chumpitaz
    Cobbold W.N.
    Coluna
    Combi
    Conti
    Costacurta
    Crompton
    Cruyff
    Cubillas
    Czibor
    Dalglish
    Dasaev
    De Vecchi
    Dean
    Desailly
    Deyna
    di Stefano
    Didi
    Djalma Santos
    Dobrin
    Domingos da Guia
    Dzajic
    Edwards
    Elkjaer
    Erico
    Eusebio
    Facchetti
    Falcao
    Ferreyra Bernabe
    Figo
    Figueroa
    Fillol
    Finney
    Fontaine
    Förster K.H
    Francescoli
    Friedenreich
    Gallacher Hughie
    Garrincha
    Gento
    Gerson
    Gilmar
    Giresse
    Greaves
    Gren
    Grosics
    Gullit
    Hagi
    Haller
    Hamrin
    Hanappi
    Hansen
    Hapgood
    Hässler
    Hidegkuti
    Hierro
    Hofman
    Jairzinho
    James
    Janes
    Jennings
    Johnstone
    Julinho
    Kahn
    Keane
    Keegan
    Kempes
    Kocsis
    Koeman
    Kohler
    Konrad Kalman
    Kopa
    Krol
    Kubala
    Labruna
    Lato
    Laudrup Michael
    Lawton
    Liedholm
    Lineker
    Loustau
    Lubanski
    Luis Pereira
    Luis Suarez
    Mackay
    Maier
    Maldini
    Maradona
    Marzolini
    Masopust
    Matthäus
    Matthews
    Mazurkiewicz
    Mazzola Sandro
    Mazzola Valentino
    McGrory
    Meazza
    Minelli
    Monti
    Moore
    Moreno
    Mortensen
    Morton
    Müller
    Nasazzi
    Nedved
    Neeskens
    Nejedly
    Netto
    Netzer
    Nilton Santos
    Nordahl
    Ocwirk
    Ohaco Alberto
    Ondrus
    Orsi
    Overath
    Passarella
    Pedernera
    Pele
    Pesek Karel
    Peyroteo
    Pfaff
    Piola
    Planicka
    Platini
    Pontoni Rene
    Prohaska
    Puskas
    Rahn
    Rattin
    Redondo
    Rensenbrink
    Rijkaard
    Riva
    Rivelino
    Rivera
    Robson
    Rocha Pedro
    Romario
    Romerito
    Ronaldo
    Rosetta Virginio
    Rossi Nestor
    Rossi Paolo
    Ruggeri
    Rui Costa
    Rummenigge
    Rush
    Samitier
    Sammer
    Sanchez Hugo
    Santamaria
    Sarosi
    Sastre
    Savicevic
    Scarone
    Schiaffino
    Schiavio
    Schlosser
    Schmeichel
    Schnellinger
    Schuster
    Scifo
    Scirea
    Seeler
    Sekularac
    Seoane
    Shesternev
    Shilton
    Simonsen
    Sindelar
    Sivori
    Smith G.O.
    Souness
    Spencer
    Stabile
    Stoichkov
    Stojkovic
    Streltsov
    Szepan
    Tardelli
    Thuram
    Tigana
    Tostao
    Van Basten
    Van Hanegem
    Van Himst
    Varela
    Vasovic
    Vogts
    Voronin Valery
    Vukas
    Walter Fritz
    Weah
    Wilkes
    Woodward Vivian
    Wright Billy
    Yashin
    Zagallo
    Zamora
    Zarra
    Zebec
    Zenga
    Zico
    Zidane
    Zizinho
    Zoff

    Just tell me which players should be cut in your opinion and their replacement.
    I'm especially interested in arguments which pre-50s players and eastern European players belong.
     
  2. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Tresor ? Papin ?
     
  3. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    trésor for sure, JPP, bof...

    okocha? nkono?
     
  4. babaorum

    babaorum Member+

    Aug 20, 2005
    Marseille
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    Ballon d'or winners should be automatic picks IMHO (well... except Owen and Cannavaro) so I vote for JPP.

    Okocha was a clown (though a very skilled one ;)).
     
  5. Estel

    Estel Member+

    May 5, 2010
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I would suggest adding this guy - Jair

    Can't imagine whom you would remove though, looking at your current list.
     
  6. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Papin, Tresor and Jair for sure.
    Any suggestions who to remove? :eek:
    Asparughkov ... Minelli?

    Nah to Okocha ... talent players but just didn't do enough with it.
     
  7. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Who are James and Janes in your list?
     
  8. Perú FC

    Perú FC Member+

    Nov 16, 2007
    Lima, Perú
    And I would add César Cueto definitely. I'm going to try to do a similar list.
     
  9. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
  10. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
  11. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Holy smoke I missed Socrates! :eek:
    List will be updated soon.
     
  12. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Are you excluding current players? Messi is better than some of the forwards listed here.
     
  13. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    He was one of the 1st to come to mind. I wasn't sure if you'd excluded him deliberately or not - the same for Klinsmann.
    There are obviously quite a few I'd include in my top 250 not listed, but also some of the older ones (not the likes of Bican, Sindelar who I'd be pretty sure about or Puskas, Hidegkuti, Kocsis who I know enough of to definately include) I'm not sure I know enough to say whether I'd leave them out - I'd probably have to research.
    Overall, very good list.
    Some of the main ones I'd feel should probably be considered too good to be left out would include for example Davor Suker and Glenn Hoddle (I can put videos of these if it helps to decide too) and there's also these two:
    Denis Law:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ONqxJV__fE"]YouTube - Denis Law - Stretford End King![/ame]
    Brian Laudrup:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGWXJKAtGTc"]YouTube - Brian Laudrup[/ame]
    Have you considered Pierre Littbarski or Jorginho?
     
  14. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Oh, Gordon Banks too.
     
  15. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    No active players.

    Klinsmann, Law, Banks, Socrates and Leonidas are among some I just forgot to include.
     
  16. guignol

    guignol Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 28, 2005
    mermoz-les-boss
    Club:
    Olympique Lyonnais
    Nat'l Team:
    France
    his brother deserves a look too!
     
  17. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Upated list, new players bolded:

    Albert
    Flórián
    Ademir Marques de Menezes
    Ademir da Guia
    Altafini
    José
    Andrade José
    Andrade Víctor Rodrígeuz
    Antognoni
    Giancarlo
    Ardiles
    Osvaldo
    Artime
    Luis
    Baggio
    Roberto
    Banks
    Gordon
    Baresi
    Franco
    Batistuta Gabriel
    Beckenbauer Franz
    Belanov Ihor
    Bergkamp
    Dennis
    Bergmark Orvar
    Bergomi Giuseppe
    Best George
    Bettega
    Roberto
    Bican Josep
    Binder Franz
    Blanc
    Laurent
    Blanchflower
    Danny
    Blokhin Oleg
    Bloomer
    Steve
    Bobek
    Stjepan
    Bochini
    Ricardo
    Boniek
    Zbigniew
    Boniperti Giampiero
    Bozsik
    József
    Brehme
    Andreas
    Breitner Paul
    Cabrini
    Antonio
    Cafu

    Canhoteiro
    Cantona Eric
    Careca

    Carlos Alberto Torres
    Carrizo
    Amadeo
    César Cueto

    Charles John
    Charlton
    Bobby
    Chumpitaz Héctor
    Cobbold
    William
    Coluna
    Mário
    Conti Bruno
    Crompton
    Bob
    Cruyff
    Johan
    Cubillas
    Teófilo
    Czibor
    Zoltán
    Dalglish Kenny
    Dasayev
    Rinat
    Davids Edgar
    De Vecchi
    Renzo
    Deák
    Ferenc
    Dean
    Dixie
    Desailly
    Marcel
    Deyna Kazimierz
    Di Stéfano Alfredo
    Didi

    Djalma Santos
    Domingos da Guia
    Donadoni Roberto
    Džajić
    Dragan
    Edwards
    Duncan
    Elkjær Larsen
    Preben
    Erico
    Arsenio
    Eusébio

    Facchetti Giacinto
    Falcão
    Paulo Roberto
    Ferreyra
    Bernabé
    Figo
    Luís
    Figueroa
    Elías
    Fillol
    Ubaldo
    Finney
    Tom
    Fontaine
    Just
    Förster Karlheinz
    Francescoli
    Enzo
    Friedenreich
    Arthur
    Gallacher
    Hughie
    Garrincha

    Gentile Claudio
    Gento Francisco
    Gérson
    Gilmar
    Giresse Alain
    Greaves Jimmy
    Gren
    Gunnar
    Grosics
    Gyula
    Gullit
    Ruud
    Hagi Gheorghe
    Haller Helmut
    Hamrin Kurt
    Hanappi Gerhard
    Hansen Alan
    Hapgood
    Eddie
    Happel Ernst
    Hidegkuti
    Nándor
    Hiden Rudolf
    Hierro
    Fernando
    Jairzinho
    James Alex
    Janes
    Paul
    Jennings Pat
    Johnstone
    Jimmy
    Jonquet
    Robert
    Joya
    Juan
    Julinho

    Júnior
    Jurion Armand
    Kahn
    Oliver
    Keane
    Roy
    Keegan
    Kevin
    Kempes
    Mario
    Klinsmann
    Jürgen
    Kocsis
    Sándor
    Koeman
    Ronald
    Kohler Jürgen
    Konrád
    Kálmán
    Kopa
    Raymond
    Krol
    Ruud
    Kubala
    László
    Labruna
    Ángel
    Lato Grzegorz
    Laudrup Michael
    Law Denis
    Lawton
    Tommy
    Leônidas
    da Silva
    Liedholm
    Nils
    Lineker
    Gary
    Loustau
    Félix
    Lubański Włodzimierz
    Luís Pereira
    Luis Suárez Miramontes
    Mackay
    Dave
    Maier
    Sepp
    Maldini Paolo
    Maradona
    Diego
    Marzolini
    Silvio
    Masopust
    Josef
    Matthäus
    Lothar
    Matthews
    Stanley
    Mazurkiewicz
    Ladislao
    Mazzola
    Sandro
    Mazzola Valentino
    Meazza
    Giuseppe
    Monti
    Luis
    Moore
    Bobby
    Moreno
    José Manuel
    Morton Alan
    Müller Gerd
    Nasazzi
    José
    Nedvěd
    Pabel
    Neeskens
    Johan
    Nejedlý
    Oldřich
    Netto
    Igor
    Netzer
    Günher
    Nilton Santos

    Nordahl Gunnar
    Ocwirk
    Ernst
    Orsi
    Raimundo
    Overath Wolfgang
    Papin Jean-Pierre
    Passarella Daniel
    Pedernera
    Adolfo
    Pelé

    Pešek Karel
    Peyroteo Fernando
    Pfaff Jean-Marie
    Piola Silvio
    Plánička
    František
    Platini Michek
    Pontoni
    René
    Prohaska
    Herbert
    Puskás Ferenc
    Rahn
    Helmut
    Rattín
    Antonio
    Redondo Fernando
    Rensenbrink
    Rob
    Rijkaard Frank
    Riva
    Luigi
    Rivelino
    Roberto
    Rivera Gianni
    Robson Bryan
    Rocha Pedro
    Romario

    Ronaldo
    Rossi Néstor
    Rossi
    Paolo
    Ruggeri
    Oscar
    Rui Costa

    Rummenigge Karl-Heinz
    Rush
    Ian
    Sammer
    Matthias
    Sánchez Hugo
    Santamaria
    José
    Sárosi
    György
    Sastre Antonio
    Savićević
    Dejan
    Scarone
    Héctor
    Schäfer Hans
    Schiaffino
    Juan Alberto
    Schlosser
    Imre
    Schmeichel Peter
    Schnellinger
    Karl-Heinz
    Schuster Bernd
    Scirea
    Gaetano
    Seeler
    Uwe
    Šekularac Dragoslav
    Seoane
    Manuel
    Shesternyov
    Albert
    Shilton
    Peter
    Simonsen
    Allan
    Sindelar
    Matthias
    Sívori
    Omar
    Smith
    G. O.
    Sócrates

    Souness Graeme
    Spencer
    Alberto
    Stoichkov Hristo
    Stojković Dragan
    Streltsov
    Eduard
    Szepan
    Fritz
    Szymaniak
    Horst
    Tardelli
    Marco
    Thuram
    Lilian
    Tigana Jean
    Tostão

    Trésor Marius
    Van Basten
    Marco
    Van Hanegem
    Willem
    Van Himst
    Paul
    Varela
    Obdulio
    Vasović
    Velibor
    Vogts
    Berti
    Voronin
    Valery
    Vukas
    Bernard
    Walter
    Fritz
    Weah
    George
    Wilkes
    Faas
    Woodward
    Vivian
    Wright
    Billy
    Yashin
    Lev
    Zamora Ricardo
    Zarra Telmo
    Zico

    Zidane Zinedine
    Zizinho

    Zoff Dino
     
  18. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Well in taht case you can safely remove them from your list as many others more deserved i.e. SOCRATES,LAW BANK, Kinsman , Jair, Papin, Tresor ...as mentioned
     
  19. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Definitely not, they are both safe and not among bordeline candidates.

    Sometimes I wonder if you read the whole thread before posting as all players you mentioned expect Jair were already added. :p
     
  20. JamesBH11

    JamesBH11 Member+

    Sep 17, 2004
    Haha ... you caught me ..a s I only went thru half way ...
     
  21. schwuppe

    schwuppe Member+

    Sep 17, 2009
    Club:
    FC Kryvbas Kryvyi Rih
    Law is easily in.

    Now the rest:

    Suker and B. Laudrup: Off the top of my head there are many Strikers not in the Top 250 who are in the same tier (some are a bit better): Morlock, Braine, Asparuhov, McGrory, Zsengeller, Butragueno or Shearer and Vieri to name two of their contemporaries.

    Hoddle & Littbarski: Are on my borderline shortlist and worth a look.

    Jorginho: No chance. There are several RB better than him who are not even in the Top 250 like Kaltz, Rosetta, Suurbier, Gerets or Amoros.
     
  22. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Fair enough Schwuppe. Yes, Amoros in particular must be quite close to the 250. I'm not familiar with Rosetta but the other 4 were top right-backs certainly.
    Brian Laudrup wasn't necessarily a striker though he did play up front a lot for Denmark I think and I believe as a forward for Bayern Munich (he won the German striker of the year award, but not by scoring loads of goals). At Rangers I think he sometimes played as a striker or a free attacking midfielder, but often I think he was nominally the right winger but would run and dribble all over the pitch. He had some similarities to his brother without quite being the expert passer Michael was, but he was a bit quicker. It's your list so I won't object if you don't include him (you're right too that the likes of Butragueno and Shearer could be rated ahead by some people). I just wanted to let you get the full idea about him, though you were maybe already fairly familiar. I guess you watched the video, but just to add one with him playing for sides other than Rangers here's another one:
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zybBXABmHd4"]YouTube - Brian Laudrup Skills & Goals[/ame]
    As for Littbarski, you're maybe very familiar with him, living adjacent to Germany - there was a very good video that's been taken down that showed a couple of great goals for Cologne involving long dribbles but here is a general dribbling video for him (also more footage of him providing assists in the '82 WC is on Youtube):
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wfdvj2PC4mI"]YouTube - Pierre LITTBARSKI dribbling compilation - christinayan[/ame]
    I noticed you have Hassler in the list - it's probably a close call between him and Littbarski - maybe Gregoriak would have an opinion on who was better. I think Littbarski was quicker and a better scorer from open play (he was a very good forward initially) while Hassler's long passing and free-kicks were better.
    As Hoddle was the other one you might consider, here's a compilation for him too (mainly goals but actually he was mainly known for skills and passing):
    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4a2pX6_rCfY"]YouTube - Glenn Hoddle[/ame]
     
  23. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru

    Rosetta and the others Full Backs in the old Pyramid formation weren't comparable to Side Backs.

    Right & Left Full Backs, marked the opposing Central Trio (Insider Forwards & sometimes CF).

    In old 2-3-5, Inside Forwards used to be the more advanced forwards, since CF lead the line, in a mix role. At least, until Offside Rule changed.

    So, Rosetta, Quincoces, Nasazzi, etc., are more comparable to Centerbacks than Lateral Defenders.
     
  24. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yes, makes more sense that they are called full-backs when you understand the origin of the position. I may have come across Rosetta's name before but he's not one that I know anything about - I wouldn't know without checking whether he was Uruguayan/Swiss/Spanish for example. I haven't double-checked comme's top 100 lists for his name - I'll do that now and also check whether he was among those listed on a Dutch publications list of 20 for each role in their 4-3-3 formation shown by the RSSSF on their website (I'd guess not because there weren't many before 1950 though plenty from 50-80 from what I remember).
    EDIT Not on the Dutch list (Voetbal International) of 1-20 for each position - here's a link (bottom of the page) http://www.rsssf.com/miscellaneous/best-x-players-of-y.html#vi-xi
    And he's on comme's lists and is Italian!
     
  25. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    In that list Cruyff is supposed DM? :eek:

    I based on correct reading of the "Inverting the Pyramid", also A-T list publicated 30 or 40 years ago, when people was closer to Pyramid players (they actually saw them live) than nowadays rankings.

    To not deviate the thread, can continue here.
    https://www.bigsoccer.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1269077&page=6
     

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