BigSoccer P&CE Democratic Caucus Runoff - Clark v. Dean

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by obie, Jan 16, 2004.

  1. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Here are the results from the first round of voting:

    Clark: 16 (28%) - GringoTex, YanksFC, nicephoras, NGV, bungadiri, Demosthenes, schwantzme, Matrim55, monop_poly, bojendyk, paulocesar, dark knight, Qdog, Mike Segroves, Elizabeth III, BlueMeanie,
    Dean: 21 (37%) - CosmosKramer, joseph pakovits, obie, MikeLastort2, SueB, Norsk Troll, Dolemite, bmurphyfl, tcmahoney, Roel, NER_MCFC, yossarian, billreeves, NateP, DevilDave, ElJefe, He's In Fashion, Saltenya94, Finnegan, verybdog, BillQ
    Edwards: 5 (9%) - John Galt, SoFla Metro, oman, SABuffalo786, Malaga CF fan
    Gephardt: 2 (3.5%) - BenReilly, futbolrey
    Kerry: 2 - Smiley321, Zamphyr
    Kucinich: 5 (9%) - DoctorJones24, Mel Brennan, Dan Loney, Freestyle2000, sebakoole
    Lieberman: 5 (9%) - Stilger, Ludahai, dfb547490, VFish, Garcia
    Sharpton: 1 (2%) - SObearCal

    No one received over 50%; hence, we go to runoff. People who voted for candidates who failed to get 15% of the vote can now move their vote to another candidate, or abstain. If you didn't vote in Round One, you cannot vote in Round Two. So, given the IRV selections from Round One, we are at:

    Clark: 17 (16 + SObearCal) - 43.6%
    Dean: 22 (21 + Dan Loney) - 56.4%

    Very close race; could go either way at this point. The people who can vote in Round Two are:

    John Galt
    SoFla Metro
    oman
    SABuffalo786
    Malaga CF fan
    BenReilly
    futbolrey
    Smiley321
    Zamphyr
    DoctorJones24
    Mel Brennan
    Freestyle2000
    sebakoole
    Stilger
    Ludahai
    dfb547490
    VFish
    Garcia

    Supporters of Clark or Dean, feel free to try to persuade your Round Two voters to choose your side.
     
  2. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Garcia- could you sticky this one and bin yours? Thanks.
     
  3. Garcia

    Garcia Member

    Dec 14, 1999
    Castro Castro
  4. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    My vote stands.

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  5. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Don't be a troublemaker. We'll string you up and toss you to the Greenies.
     
  6. Malaga CF fan

    Malaga CF fan Member

    Apr 19, 2000
    Fairfax, VA
    Club:
    Colorado Rapids
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    So basically, the perceived two wings of the Democratic party (Clinton-centrist-Clark vs. Gore-liberal-Dean) come down to the final two....

    I throw in with Clark...
     
  7. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think that counts as an abstention.

    [obscure TV commercial reference] Look at the right of that Gep rally photo. Who knew that Mr. Whipple was a Gep supporter? [/obscure TV commercial reference]
     
  8. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    Clark is a war hero- the winner of the Purple Heart and the Silver Star. He is a Rhodes Scholar who graduated first in his class at West Point. He is the author of several books. He is former Supreme Allied Commander of NATO, which is the most political military position in the world. He liberated Kosovo without the loss of a single American soldier. He is brilliant, eloquent, handsome, and charismatic. Imagine him in a debate with the stuttering, wordless, ignorant, draft-dodging George W. Bush, and you will realize why this is the one man that Karl Rove is scared to death of.
     
  9. sebakoole

    sebakoole New Member

    Jul 11, 2002
    Clark.

    In spite of the Michael Moore endorsement.
     
  10. bojendyk

    bojendyk New Member

    Jan 4, 2002
    South Loop, Chicago
    The General
     
  11. VFish

    VFish Member+

    Jan 7, 2001
    Atlanta, GA
    Club:
    Atlanta
  12. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Clark: 22
    Dean: 22

    bojendyk cannot vote in the runoff because (unless I missed it) no vote for a non-15% candidate was recorded for him/her in Round One.

    Yet to vote:
    John Galt
    SoFla Metro
    oman
    SABuffalo786
    futbolrey
    Smiley321
    Zamphyr
    DoctorJones24
    Mel Brennan
    Freestyle2000
    Stilger
    Ludahai

    I like Clark -- really do, and would have no problem supporting him -- but when we're talking about who could actually win this thing, Dean has put together the best message, the best organization, and the best attitude when it comes to beating Dubya. When you talk to Dean supporters, what you hear are people who cannot wait to vote for him. They have raised over $50 million on average donations of $78. They have put together a grassroots effort that can be leveraged not just for the general election, but also for House, Senate, and gubernatorial elections in November. Conventional wisdom is that the Presidency will be decided by get-out-the-vote efforts, and Dean has been able to rise up from absolute nothing and assemble the most formidable ground force ever.

    Look at the media -- they are frightened of Dean because they know that Dean cannot be put into a simple "he's liberal / he's angry" box like they want to do to whoever the Dem candidate is. Clark, for all his assets, is basically Gore with combat pay.

    Neocons have taken over the national public debate, and this is a time for Dems to get up and take the country back. We need a bold leader, someone who is not afraid to take hits and return them. Let's face it -- Karl Rove would rape his mother if it won an election. Clark has not shown himself to be that bold leader (yet). Dean has.
     
  13. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Ok, I'll play. Howard Dean.
     
  14. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Re: Re: BigSoccer P&CE Democratic Caucus Runoff - Clark v. Dean

    Ok, Pat Buchanan.
     
  15. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
  16. Smiley321

    Smiley321 Member

    Apr 21, 2002
    Concord, Ca
    Dean, since Clark is favored by GT and SlickWilly

    I also think that Dean would do alot better in a debate with dubya. Just a guess, but Clark is a dilettante in this game.
     
  17. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Heh, perhaps. Altho Clark would be at best my 4th choice for Prez--behind Dubya, Lieberman, Kerry, and possibly Gephardt.
     
  18. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    This is a tough one, but I just have a gut feeling that between the two, Clark is more "electable" so I think I need to choose him.
     
  19. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    I applaud obie's eloquent endorsement of Dean. And I applaud Dean for blowing open the doors of debate on Iraq for an entire nation. The Democratic Party owes Dean a debt of gratitude for his service. He shall make an excellent Secretary of Health and Human Services.
     
  20. Demosthenes

    Demosthenes Member+

    May 12, 2003
    Berkeley, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I'm flattered.
     
  21. obie

    obie New Member

    Nov 18, 1998
    NY, NY
    Club:
    New York Red Bulls
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dean as the anti-Frist? Perhaps. Either one of these two would have a job in the other's Administration. Clark as Sec of State or Ambassador to the UN would be fine by me.

    Long-time Dean opponent Alterman is pushing for a Clark / Dean ticket because the Dems, while they may not like Dean's outsider status, need to keep his campaign staff in the game through November to have a shot.
     
  22. Zamphyr

    Zamphyr Member

    Mar 31, 2003
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
  23. BenReilly

    BenReilly New Member

    Apr 8, 2002
    Aside from not being Bush and looking good in a uniform, is there any reason you're supporting Clark?
     

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