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Discussion in 'Women's College' started by WWC_Movement, Dec 7, 2018.
The Big12, already somewhat smaller than the other major conferences due in part to Texas A&M moving to the SEC, would be devastated if either Texas or Oklahoma left. I'd be surprised if the either of these schools joined the Big 10 (or I should say B1G, though I've never figured out what the hell that means). I think they'd be much more inclined to join the SEC: It's a better geographic and cultural fit, though of course TV money is ultimately driving this madness. Big 10 Commissioner Jim Delaney has long had a bug up his butt about the SEC overshadowing the Big10, especially in football. Let's hope the two schools stay in the Big12 as conference expansion has already gone too far, IMO. But money talks, which is why Maryland, longtime ACC school, decided to join the Big10.
The SEC is currently the per-team conference payout leader.
The most recent average payout for each Power 5 league, 2017 numbers, per SBNation:
SEC: $40.9 million
Big Ten: $34.8 million for teams getting full shares
Big 12: also right about $34.8 million
Pac-12: about $29 million
ACC: something like $27 million
The Big10 has signed new TV contracts with two or three networks that will boost that conference's TV money significantly and its member schools might soon be getting bigger payouts than SEC schools--or at least until the next round of TV contracts are signed.
I would be very surprised if Texas & Oklahoma joined the B1G.
As far as the big revenue sports are concerned, the games in pointyball would be incredible if Texas & Oklahoma went to the B1G. Men's basketball would be bolstered as well. If you're looking at women's soccer, both schools would be decent additions to the conference. I am also a men's soccer fan and neither school has a soccer team. Of the primary schools that are currently Big 12, the only one that I can think of with a men's team is West Virginia and they play in the Mid American Conference in soccer. The B1G has proven itself to be one of the preeminent conferences in men's soccer and even if Oklahoma and Texas had men's teams, it would be questionable that they would be able to improve the conference.
BTW, 3 of the final 4 College Cup teams are B1G teams - Indiana, Michigan State, and Maryland. Akron is the other team. Semifinals are tonight and the championship game is Sunday.
I was surprised that the B1G didn't make a stronger run at Missouri when they left the Big 12 to join the SEC. Geographically and culturally, Missouri would seem to be a much better fit in the B1G than the SEC. The other current Big 12 team that would fit well in the B1G both geographically and culturally would be Iowa State. Then again, I thought that the recent additions of Rutgers and Maryland were odd for the B1G from a geographic and cultural standpoint but they seem to have adapted well. Years ago I thought that Penn State was an odd addition also. Missouri and Iowa State both make more sense than those eastern schools. I think that the everyone knows why the additions of Rutgers and Maryland were made and it all has to do with television office and Benjamins.
Missouri also went to the SEC and Colorado went to the PAC12.
No future realignment will take a second school within the same state into the conference. It took an act by the Va legislature to get Tech into the ACC.
A&M won't allow UT, UF won't allow FSU, Iowa no to Iowa State, etc. As a result, SEC will target UNC and VT next. Therefore, this report has credence. The B10 also covets AAU membership, UT, yes, OU, no. They went Nebraska as they had membership, revoked after entry into the conference, leaving the B10 lamenting the decision.
Everybody covets UNC. B10 would love UNC and UT.
UNC is toxic to other conferences.
After the last round o realignments Every school in the ACC ceded it’s tv rights and revenue to
The conference for redistribution to member schools. This would include basketball revenue( the ACC has the four best revenue earners in basketball) If a school leaves the conference, the league still gets any media revenuefrom that school. The school that leaves would get nothing. The ACC also has claim to whatever portion of the other league's revenue would go to the Ex-ACC school. The conference UNC went to would be writing media checks to the ACC.
It was UNC that pushed for this to prevent other schools from bolting.
UNC isn't going anywhere. They are kings of the ACC. They don't need to leave. Also you can't disrupt the biggest rivalry in sports.
These schools keep chasing the $$$, but by consolidating into larger and larger conferences they just make it harder to stand out. There's only one conference champion. They all risk diluting their program's success and prestige by just being one in a pack as opposed to consistent league champions/title contenders. I think the ACC is an example of that in Women's Soccer. There are only so many powerhouse teams you can put in one conference before they start to cannibalize each other. You can only go so many years without a crown of some sort and still be considered a top program.
The other problem I see in all my data work is that not being able to play a full round robin within the conference ends up having the conference regular season standings (and thus, conference tournament seeding) sometimes being unfair.
Texas would not be able to go from due to SEC rights and the Longhorn network.
The other end of this is how this impacts academics, student life and alumni donations. A big part of college is the athletics atmosphere (particularly for public schools). Students of schools at these larger conferences will have less of those impactful moments (championships, annual rivalries, etc.) that positively impact their impression of their time at school and make them more willing to give down the road. Likewise, for alumni of those schools that did have those experiences, they might see all this big corporate money coming in through athletics sponsorships and TV deals etc. now and be less likely to give their own money. The more these schools act like businesses the more they threaten to alienate the very students they are meant to serve. Especially younger generations that are more interested in having those special experiences. Although this could also just be a realization from the schools that they are overcharging students so much and wages are only going to flatten or decline so they won't earn enough in their lifetimes to make any real meaningful donations going forward anyway, so the TV $$$ is their best option...
There are numerous articles about ESPN losing $$$ on the Longhorn network deal. There would be zero issues with Texas getting out of that deal. The issue would be does it make sense for Texas and the SEC.
Here's what happens in the future:
2019: ACC Network begins (Big 12 is only major conference without a network)
2020: College Football playoff expands and includes all major conf. champions.
2021: Big 12 blows up. Texas won't leave LHN to share equally with Big 12 Net.
2022: Oklahoma and UCONN join Big Ten.
2022: Texas & Texas Tech join SEC (ESPN/SEC ensures Texas a favorable deal)
2022: Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas join Pac 12
2022: West Virginia joins ACC (Iowa State & Kansas State join American Athletic)
2023: Notre Dame leaves independent status (football) and joins ACC outright
New major conferences (all with 16 teams):
ACC (16): includes Notre Dame (all sports) and WVU
SEC (16): includes Texas and Texas Tech
Big Ten (16): includes Oklahoma and UCONN
Pac 12 (16): includes Baylor, TCU, Oklahoma State, Kansas
College Football Playoff (coming soon):
8 teams, 4 automatic bids (includes each of the major conference champions)
up to 4 additional at-large teams, as selected by the committee
Must take a mid-major conference team in playoff, if ranked in committee's Top 8
This ensures schools like UCF or Boise State have a shot if they go undefeated.
We do not need an 8-team college football playoff, but it might very happen because it would generate even more money for TV networks and host cities and schools, and because greed and excess are intrinsic to modern America, sadly. That said, an 8-team playoff would mean that two schools (the last two) would end up playing either 15 or 16 games, which would be even more exploitative than major-college football is now, with its 13-14 game schedule. I remember when college teams played 10 games. The sport already puts HUGE demands on the players (and staffs and coaches)--more than they should have because, quaint as it sounds, they are supposed to be college students, too, in addition to athletes. An even bigger playoff would be too much--and it is not needed. Look at the two semifinals last night--they were both, effectively, blowouts.
The playoffs can't expand because the SEC studs and others won't risk their draft prospects. McGahee, Lattimore, etc. The players have no incentive to play these games (ergo, more and more bowl sit-outs already).
You been reading that almanac again?
Does it have lottery numbers?
The speculation and people's takes are fun. The one thing I think WWC is discounting is lawyers. Any agreement can be broken, making the ACC "wreckable".
Tv networks brought FIFA to its knees over the Qatar terms. ABC, ESPN and Raycom aren’t going to cave to a few colleges. I don’t think ACC members have enough money to litigate it all
Wasn't FIFA paid like a billion bux from US TV? I'd crawl on my knees....Which is totally ridiculous, sports in the USA is a tax (base cable...$5 "sports fee" whether you want it or not...).
I think if the SEC wants somebody, you have to consider their leverage and cash partnerships, not only exclusively with CBS (also NCAA Tournament partners) ~but~ Disney (conflict of interest with ACC). I see what you're saying, but I see it as if SEC wants, SEC gets, the rest adjust. Basically, a mediation.
Well, no. They awarded the 2026 cup to Fox and Telemundo with no competitive bidding after Fox threatened a suit over changing the 2022 cup to winter, right during Supebowl season.
They also magically arranged a cup in the USA, the current record holder in attendance to try and recoup some of that. The 2026 cup looks to be the most lucrative for a tv network ever.
Fifa will make less money from the next two cups than they have since 1994.