"Big Brother" of the world

Discussion in 'Politics & Current Events' started by LiveFreeOrDie, Jan 5, 2003.

  1. LiveFreeOrDie

    LiveFreeOrDie New Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    The US has military presence in over 120 countries. Satellites monitoring every country. All faxes, phone calls, emails ,etc. in the world are recorded by the NSA.

    Does the US have the moral authority to be the Big Brother of the entire world?
     
  2. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    What does 'moral authority' have to do with 'foreign policy'?
     
  3. LiveFreeOrDie

    LiveFreeOrDie New Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    How would you feel if Germany or Russia would have a military base or other military presence in almost every country on this planet?

    What if China felt the need to "police the world"?
     
  4. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD

    Oooh, oooh, oooh, pick me, pick me, pick me!!


    We'd have a better selection of dim sum.
     
  5. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    The only way the US has military presence in 120 countries is if you're counting joint training exercises and stuff like that, in which case dozens of countries would also have a military presence inside the US.

    Also, it is important to point out that our military presences throughout the world are at the invitation of the countries in question, and we do not interfere with their domestic politics (with the exception of Afghanistan).


    Alex
     
  6. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    Source?
     
  7. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    If any of them want the job of policing the world, let them build up their military infrastructure and go for it for all that I care.
     
  8. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Of course, one would have to elude those pesky UN weapons inspectors, no?
     
  9. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    Since when big, populous, powerful countries have to deal with UN weapons inspectors?
     
  10. GringoTex

    GringoTex Member

    Aug 22, 2001
    1301 miles de Texas
    Club:
    Tottenham Hotspur FC
    Nat'l Team:
    Bolivia
    With any luck at all, you'll get stationed in one of about two dozen countries whose domestic politics we we piss on daily.
     
  11. RichardL

    RichardL BigSoccer Supporter

    May 2, 2001
    Berkshire
    Club:
    Reading FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    All phone calls, faxes and emails are recorded? Have you ever considered just how impossible it would be to do that? If all phone calls are recorded then why do police etc have to specially tap people's phones? sure they scan, listening out for certain things, but there's just so much information exchange going on it'd be like looking for a needle in a haystack. A haystick which has several needle-like objects in it.

    You could sit there and send emails to various people saying about how you were going to asassinate the president tomorrow before going on a shooting rampage in a hospital, and also claim to be osama bin laden's pen-pal and how you had a house full of cocaine, and no FBI agents will come rushing to your house. They have to carefully target who they monitor, or they'd needs several million people to monitor everything.
     
  12. MikeLastort2

    MikeLastort2 Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Takoma Park, MD
    I'm amazed that anyone took the original post in this thread seriously enough to respond in a serious way.

    Everyone put on your aluminum foil hats so the government can't beam thoughts into your head.
     
  13. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    Who, other than Afghanistan? We may exert influence but we don't rig their elections or choose their leaders for them.

    (Edit: Yes, I'm aware we have done stuff like that in the past, I meant that we're generally not doing it now, other than in Afghanistan.)

    Alex
     
  14. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    > All phone calls, faxes and emails are recorded?
    > Have you ever considered just how impossible it
    > would be to do that?

    Recording everything would be hard. Searching them in real time is more possible.

    > If all phone calls are recorded then why do police
    > etc have to specially tap people's phones?

    Because they need a different level of proof to gain evidence that may one day be used in a court of law.

    > They have to carefully target who they monitor,
    > or they'd needs several million people to monitor
    > everything.

    No, just really big computers.

    http://archive.aclu.org/echelonwatch/faq.html
     
  15. Danwoods

    Danwoods Member

    Mar 20, 2000
    Bertram, TX, US
    Club:
    Houston Dynamo
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Iraq, Pakistan, Panama, Grenada, Chile, etc....
     
  16. dfb547490

    dfb547490 New Member

    Feb 9, 2000
    The Heights
    We haven't done anything to Iraq yet, we've never interfered in Pakistan's domestic politics AFAIK (altho I could be wrong), and the others were in the 70s and 80s.


    Alex
     
  17. CrewDust

    CrewDust Member

    May 6, 1999
    Columbus, Ohio
    Club:
    Columbus Crew
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    USA military Attache are probably in most countries. But a lot of countries have military attache's attached to their diplomatic staff.
     
  18. Ian McCracken

    Ian McCracken Member

    May 28, 1999
    USA
    Club:
    SS Lazio Roma
    Nat'l Team:
    Italy
    I'm still requesting a source on this number. Unless, of course, a new rule has been invoked on the Politics forum where anyone can pull something out of their SS and pass it off as fact. If that's the new standard then, trust me, I have plenty of @ss-pulling statements I've been holding back on you all.
     
  19. SoFla Metro

    SoFla Metro Member

    Jul 21, 2000
    Ft. Lauderdale, FL
    Re: Re: "Big Brother" of the world

    I find it hard to believe you've been holding back on us, Ian.
     
  20. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    But what if my country isn't big and powerful yet? I need to amass weapons of mass destruction to be big and powerful but it's really hard to do that with UN weapons inspectors lurking around.

    If you know of a better way, please tell me.
     
  21. spejic

    spejic Cautionary example

    Mar 1, 1999
    San Rafael, CA
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    > I'm still requesting a source on this number.

    I don't know where they get the number, but I find many references to 140 and more nations from sources like AP or the CATO by just doing a simple internet search.

    I searched the .gov and .mil sites, but it seems difficult to find any hard numbers there.
     
  22. Nate505

    Nate505 Member

    Feb 10, 2002
    Colorado
    Then you're screwed. Germany, Russia, and China are big and powerful (to one extent or another), hence, they are not screwed. Even India and Pakistan are big and powerful enough to make nukes.

    If you're not big and powerful, then you have no business of applying for the job as the world's policeman. And if you're a small guy trying to become the big guy, tough ##%@ing luck, because us big guys decided to create this thing called the 'UN' that, in theory, prevents you from becoming one of us.
     
  23. LiveFreeOrDie

    LiveFreeOrDie New Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Responses on this thread show why the USA is the most hated nation on this planet.

    Click here to see how ALL webcontent is archived by a simple private organization. http://www.archive.org/

    Rest assured that NSA's ECHELON is slightly more sophisticated.
     
  24. LiveFreeOrDie

    LiveFreeOrDie New Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Re: Re: "Big Brother" of the world

    The United States is rapidly increasing its military ties with nations large and small, thanks to the war on terrorism.

    That means more U.S. soldiers will be spread around the globe in coming years, despite President Bush's warning during his election campaign that the military was stretched thin, with too many overseas deployments.

    Already, American special forces train armies across Africa. The Pentagon fights war games in the Middle East. U.S. soldiers engage in scores of joint training exercises from South America to Southeast Asia. Even before Sept. 11, the military had a presence in 140 countries worldwide.

    http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/news/2002/020115-attack01.htm

    More from this article:

    "The new reach of America's military is worrying some nations."
     
  25. LiveFreeOrDie

    LiveFreeOrDie New Member

    Dec 21, 2002
    Funny, I didn't read about tens of thousands of Saudi Arabian military troops, tanks and planes in the US.
     

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