Who's the better value? - Convey at 1.2M vs Beasley at 2.5M? People who score regularly are usually more valuable than those who do the assists from Midfield, so its understandable that Beasley is seeing bigger bucks than Convey - But I still think that Convey at only 1.2M is more of a value than Beasley - Beasley doesnt' work at all for the ball - If he doesn't get balls served to him, he has no workrate to fall back on - Convey is 100% workrate - John L Opinions Only - No Facts, Please!!
Convey at $1.25 million is an absolute steal. His workrate is fabulous, he can play in the midfield or as a left back, he's good in traffic, his speed is great and he's still going in the 90th minute. I also think that Convey is going to miss fewer games due to injury over the long haul than Beasley. As much as I like DMB, he's just too slight. But if both of these kids were Dutch instead of American, their fees would be double. The US is going to be (on a much, much smaller scale) what Africa was in the 90s: a place for European teams to get great talent at a bargains basement price over what they would pay for continental players.
I refuse to answer this question simply because you assert that Beasley has no workrate. I've never heard such ridiculous crap. While it can be argued that Convey's workrate may be better than Beasley's, I don't think it's a sure thing. Both have strong reputations for being tireless workers.
yeah beasley hustles, he is great getting back on defense and is rarely out of position. but convey for 1.2 is a steal. i just hope he doesnt go to reading, that would suck. mls is as good as 1st division, or whatever they call it now.
Are you joking? Convey is SO overrated. Can't finish, can't connect. Just count how many balls he sends to no one in National Team games. Vs. Beasley who may be the best US player out there. Ha!
You can't say beasley has no work rate. This guy has been quoted by Arena himself as one of the best defenders on the team. Beasley has just the same workrate as Convey, maybe more. Now, if you compare the other aspects of their game, I'd say they are about even. Beasley is a great two way midfielder, he has great speed, good vision, and better passing and shooting then people give him credit for. Convey makes great runs, provides good solid service is a good free kick taker,has good field vision, and has underrated speed. Both aren't the greatest in front of the goal, and both lack touch. If I could take a player, I would take Beasley, only because he is more experienced then Beasley and is a proven performer on club (not including this season) and country. Convey probably is a better technical player over all though. I don't really think you can use the injury argument. Beasley, despite his small frame is rarely injured. The guy is one of the most fouled players in mls history but he gets back up. There are plenty of slight players overseas. (Shaun Wright Philips, Juninho, Aimar etc..)
i do agree with you a lot about the way beasley and convey play. i sitll think for the money convey is a better deal.
On Beasley's side he plays mostly on the outside and is mostly a winger and doesn't get the constant hits and dirty fouls that an inside player does, like Convey (in DCU's system, it appears that ALL middies are allowed and expected to go inside, outside, right, left, wherever) - So Beasley will get the fouls but not the worst ones - And Beasley's proven to be dangerous if you leave him alone and ignore him on the side - If he (as an outside middie) scores once every three games, he'll be golden wherever he goes - BUT PASSING?? - Opposing teams get down on their hands and knees begging Beasley to bring the ball in the middle so he can give it back to them - Convey, though, is just too nervous in front of the goal - If he would just relax and react as if he was trying to pass the ball to somebody he might do better - And I'd think that Convey would do better in more fluid midfield environments of Holland than the EPL
Beasley is most definitely nto the best us player. donovan, reyna, boca,pope, and any of our goalkeepers are better and if you consider value, i would you rather have two conveys or 1 beasley becasue that is the essence fo the the discussion
This year, I believe DMB has been the best player for the USMNT. Donovan has been great in some matches, but disappered in others, while DMB always brings it. As for the question at hand, I think Convey may be a little better value, not a better player, but at that price, a better value. I think Convey is further from his ceiling, he hasn't quite been giving his all for DC this season (I think part of the problem are constant injuries and call-ups...he can't get in a groove with DC) and maybe when he is challenged for a place in the first team he will play like we know he can. I think DMB is good, very good, but is he worth twice as much as Convey? I don't think so.
the better value is definitely convey at 1.2 versus DMB at 2.5 DMB+ speed, speed, and quickness. good runns off the ball, good defender DMB- anything requiring finesse in passing or shooting. his touch is really rough. really left-footed. BC+ speed and quickness (not as much as DMB). good runs off the ball, strikes the ball well for crosses, freekicks, etc. BC- defending is so-so, really left-footed. i would take either of them on my team, but if your looking at value, convey wins hands down
That's a tough one. I'm going to buck the trend and say DMB is a better deal even though he's valued at a higher price. DMB, for all his faults, is a key memeber of our national team, gained a lot of big-game experinces in WC 2002 (while Convey was sitting at home). He has incredible speed (an atribute which can't be taught), works hard both ways and is incredibly tough for his size. If DMB were from almost any other country, I would think his value would be much higher. Don't get me wrong, I love watching Convey play. But I think DMB edges him out by a tiny bit, even at that price. But that's just my two cents.
You just made me laugh out loud there. I don't call jumping up and down waving your arms working for the ball, and that's 99.99% of Conveys game for DC.
He should be given that he has taken the club year off. I just have not seen the development of DMB. For example, he still has not learned to cross the ball. He is one knee injury away from being finished as a player. Take away his speed and he is average at best. While Bobby relies on his speed I think he has better vision and a better skill set (except for that shooting thing ) Don't get me wrong I think that right now DMB is the better player I just think that he has a tremendous downside compared to Bobby.
Speaking personally, I like Bobby to Holland and DMB to Spain. But that is irrelevant. Jitterbug has the experience of a WC, and an almost immesurable speed to help him get along well in Europe. I worry about his size and him becoming another constantly-injured player a la JOB, but he hasnt had a problem with that so far despite the abuse he has taken in a great deal of league and, especially, internationals where he takes a beating and gets up every time. He often reminds me of Rocky Balboa vs Clubber Lang or Ivan Drago. Bobby, I think, has better tools than his atheleticsm. He values fitness and you can see that when he is nursing some injury but does laps at halftime of a game that he is sitting out due to injury. I also think he is a very, very good technical player when his head is in the game, and I dont think you can count the past 1.5 MLS seasons into that equation. As far as his defending, I dont think he should be a starting Left Back! Not for USA, not for DCU, not for Reading.Spurs, or not for PSV. He is a pure Left Middie. He can play a wing, a pure left mid, or ceter mid. I think he passes well enough, crosses well enough, shoots well enough and defends well enough for those positions but that is it. If I am PSV or Ajax I take Bobby, If I'm a Spanish or possibly a French club, I go with DMB. Personally, I think BC can add more without a loss than DMB can add without some loss. The biggest thing Bobby can add now is bigtime experience. DMB needs to add lbs which might kill his speed. But that's just meeeeee!
What's the deal with DMB's knee? Truely, isn't any proffesional soccer player an injury away from being finished?