Better athletes - rugby/American football?

ozhawk66 · May 16, 2005

condor11 said:

pace themselves?

wtf are you talking about?

if a pro player is pacing themselves they will soon find themselves on the bench(which btw is considerably smaller than nfl benches)

Pacing themselves in the sense that they aren't involved in the play/tackle during normal play of the ball. Pacing themselves to better position themselves for the next play, if it comes there way.

The NFL bench is larger because of the higher injury rate - plain and simple.

and thats where your flaw comes in, apart from being a contact sport and playing with an oval ball the sports are vastly different

it seems you cant get your head around this

The basic premise behind rugby is: scoring trys, conversions, drop goals and penalties in your opponent's goal area.

American football: scoring touchdowns, extra points, field goals and penalties in the opponents "area" generally lead to one of the above three.

is every player involved in every minute of the game?

Every player that is on the field of play, yes. And this cannot be said about rugby/league. And there are more players on the field at a time in rugby/league than in football. 15 on each side as opposed to 11 for American football. Every player is involved and more is going on in each play than in rugby. This is why there is only one ref on the field for a rugby match and seven referees for the NFL.

how long does each play last in american football?

There is no real difference in the actual time of the plays themselves, unless a rugby payer is taking 3-5 seconds to be tackled, which sometimes happens in American football.

plays are longer in rugby

It's not uncommon to see plays in football lasting 8,10,12,15+ seconds in every game - just like in rugby/league.

from a scrum there can be 15 phases before the next start of play

From a 1st possession (1st down) a team can conceivably hold on to the ball for a good 10 minutes - depending on the number of 1st downs and ball control/possession.

which again is why you CANT COMPARE the athletes, as they play totally different sports
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Sure you can, saying otherwise is just a cop out.

ozhawk66 · May 16, 2005

Paddy31 said:

Is your suggestion that your mistakes in practically every post you've made are clever traps to fool us terribly deluded Rugby fans?

Mistakes in every post? I'd love for you to point out something other than the yard/meter trick I pulled.

Great way to debate. Make a shedload of ********-ups and then say it was all part of a cunning strategy.

Hey, you guys started calling me a troll, so I decided to play the part with that metric conversion thing. You just don't like it cause you fell for it and it worked.

Brilliant! Are you related to the Bush family? Have you worked for Haliburton?

Believe all the Michael Moore stuff you want, I don't care. Now, that didn't have any part in this thread, did it? Who's trolling now?

The "blatant contradiction" didn't go over anyone's head. I thought you were being stupid.

Then why didn't you point the contradiction out? I left myself hanging with that one. The stupid part was pointing out just the yard/meter comment and not the obvious contradiction within the SAME sentence. Like I said, I did it to see what you'd be willing to debate, that's all.

The 40yard time for Anesi came from your figures. You put that number up there from your own dodgy research. I simply corrected your crappy maths. Tell me where you got the original data from please.
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I already told you where I got it from. Go back and read the original post. If it was dodgy research, why did you except it by elaborating on it as though it were true?

Paddy31 · May 16, 2005

ozhawk66 said:

I already told you where I got it from. Go back and read the original post. If it was dodgy research, why did you except it by elaborating on it as though it were true?
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Where? I have looked back and I can't see any references at all.

Either show me a link to the post where you originally quoted the reference or give me the reference.

Either is fine.

I'll tell you what, I'll give you the link.

http://www.chiefs.co.nz/index.php?pid=2&newsid=105

So, Anesi runs 40m in 4.53s. This is 4.14s over 40yds. That's quick isn't it?

P.S. Did you mean accept above? I wouldn't normally be pedantic over someone's grammar or use of English, but you seem to need the help.

Paddy31 · May 16, 2005

More info about Anesi

http://www.chiefs.co.nz/index.php?pid=9&playerid=10322

Position :Wing

Height : 1.87m

Weight : 90kg

Date / Place of Birth : 3.6.81 in Samoa

Education : St Johns College and Waikato University

Province : Waikato

Paddy31 · May 16, 2005

More info about Keenan Howry

http://www.vikings.com/player_detail_objectname_keenan_howry.html

Name: Keenan Howry
Position: Wide Receiver
Height: 5-10 (177cm)
Weight: 178 lbs. (80kg)
College: Oregon
Hometown: Los Alamitos, CA

Interesting comparison with Anesi.

soccernutter · May 16, 2005

First chance I've had to read through the last couple of pages. Up to that point, I was willing to let it go.

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