Best technique

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  1. TitoTata

    TitoTata Member+

    Jun 26, 2014
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  2. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    He's not going to Juventus as the title suggests. Isco has one of the best touches ever: .
     
  3. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Real Madrid

    ZIco came out of retirement,signed for Barcelona and changed his name
    He is currently known as Messi


    Seriously has there ever been a player who was a mirror image of another
    We're not talking about small similarities either

    Messi in his current version is a carbon copy of ZIco
    In his younger dribbling wizard version he was a hybrid between prime Baggio at times and at other times he looked like prime Tostao
    (With superior agility and athleticism which made him a freak)
     
  4. Alessandro10

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    Dec 6, 2010
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    Zico is always a delight to watch.
     
  5. carlito86

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    #305 carlito86, Jul 24, 2019
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    Great dribbling run solo goal at 0:27
    Maybe a contender for best ever goal scored by Michel platini
     
  6. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    Yeah, that's a nice one certainly. One candidate for best ever goal by him (and appropriate for this thread also, especially due to being scored with his left) was actually not allowed - vs Argentinos Juniors in the 1985 Intercontinental Cup:
     
  7. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    I see what you're saying with the technical difficulty of the left shot.
    Still that previous strike for Nancy was actually great by any standards

    That was a 98-99 (pes stats) dribbling accuracy
    Pure close control technique with the ball not leaving his foot at any moment

    He beat 3 players with 3 touches of the ball
     
  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
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    I think the rhythm and disguise in his movements was good too.

    Maybe this would be my choice for his best goal if trying to choose one, but not sure:
     
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  9. wm442433

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    Sep 19, 2014
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    This one is fantastic too :

     
  10. carlito86

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    #310 carlito86, Jul 24, 2019
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    What Zidane could do with a ball Maradona could do with an orange.
     
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  11. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Yeah but what was in the Orange ..
     
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  12. carlito86

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    Vitamin Cocaine
     
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  13. Alessandro10

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    Dec 6, 2010
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    Juventus FC
    A top 10 best technique:
    1. Maradona
    2. Zidane
    3. Bergkamp
    4. Ronaldinho
    5. Magico Gonzalez
    6. Baggio
    7. Cassano
    8. Stojkovic
    9. Messi
    10. Isco
     
  14. carlito86

    carlito86 Member+

    Jan 11, 2016
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    Not comfortable looking at any list with Zidane so close to Maradona

    Feel even less comfortable with isco next to Lionel Messi
    The "overratedness" has reached epic proportions

    Isco is a technically astute player with great ball control
    But seriously When did he ever display this supposed top 10 all time technique on the big stage

    Won't do the back and forth because it seems you have solidly entrenched views

    at least for the benefit of this thread post 10 different examples of technical ability displayed by Zinedine Zidane that wasn't done by any footballer in history except maradona
     
  15. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    I recall Vierra and Petite talking about Zidane saying he was from another planet as regards ability ..
     
  16. Alessandro10

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    Isco's touch is every bit as good as Messi's. I get why you don't see him in this category. He's not reached a legendary status.

    What would your top 10 look like?
     
  17. carlito86

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    #317 carlito86, Jul 25, 2019
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    I recall menotti saying Maradona couldn't be bettered from a technical perspective

    I recall Maldini saying R9 in 97/98 (and some games and moments in 98/99)was arguably as great as Maradona





    5:55


    I recall Bobby Charlton saying CR is the most technically gifted player he had seen live

    I recall 99.999999% of unbiased and objective fans acknowledging Messi in 14/15 was simultaneously one of the greatest goalscorers, dribblers and playmakers of all time


    What is the contextual relevance of emmanuel petit saying Zidane was from another planet
    Was zidane comparable to Messi in play making, dribbling or scoring

    Thread should retitled
    "Best ball control"not technique

    In overall technical skill set there were 10 players from 90-94 who were legitmately comparable or better to zizou

    Prime Baggio,savecevic and young Hagi were demonstrably superior dribblers

    Stojkovic was most definitely a superior short passer and medium range passer.
    Micheal Laudrup was 2 tiers ahead of zidane in short passing(and comparable in dribbling)


    Bergkamp was comparable to zidane in ball control(his greatest assest)
    Possibly a superior through baller
    Zidane only had an edge in long pass and mentality on the big stage (in 5-10 matches over his career)

    We haven't even got to brazilian technicians from the 70s and 80s
    (And even 60s)

    Zidane may of been more aesthetically "graceful" player than Pele
    But there is literally nothing zidane could do that he couldn't (the opposite is most definitely not true)
     
  18. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Georgie Best ..

    One of only two great players I've had the please to see in the flesh ..

    Those days the skilful players were hacked down constantly .. defenders even got a free 'tackle' in that didn't 'count' against them !!


     
  19. Alessandro10

    Alessandro10 Member

    Dec 6, 2010
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    How do you rate Romario's touch vs Zico's? And Zico's vs Francescoli's?
     
  20. Alessandro10

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    Dec 6, 2010
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    Berbatov was also blessed with a lovely technique: .
     
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  21. Sexy Beast

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    Aug 11, 2016
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    I would say Zidane could hit volleys with either foot as good as anyone ive seen. Not sure if that belongs in the conversation.

    However, Zidane is definitely not the guy who i first think of when technique is mentioned. What i would say separates Zidane from anyone else is his ability to improvise with his ball control, as if he sees the matrix.
    He reminds me of this scene in Matrix:

    (1:14)

    That "elegence", that people often refer to, might cause issues in ranking him in such lists.
     
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  22. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Technique ... you want technique !

    I fell in love with Firmino’s style when his ‘no-look basketball trick shot’ was trending the day he signed for Liverpool.

     
  23. carlito86

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    #323 carlito86, Aug 9, 2019
    Last edited: Aug 9, 2019

    Holy shit

    @PDG1978
    Can you perhaps with the help of any French football experts on BS give an honest and detailed take on Chris waddle,how he was perceived in his marseille heyday and also compared to his contemporaries as Barnes and gazza

    Honestly I've been watching as much as I can of this player
    I see a player who at his best is a rival for any conventional wide man with the most complete offensive skillset (his passing range was like totally insane-as good as David Beckham I think)

    His dribbling was Messi esque( and in certain respects more impressive considering how tall he was)

    British managers in the 90s seemed to have an aversion to technical players

    One can only wonder what hoddle,gazza (sober version) and waddle would fetch in today's market
     
  24. TitoTata

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    Jun 26, 2014
    Same for Matt Le Tissier
     
  25. PDG1978

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    Mar 8, 2009
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    Nottingham Forest FC
    He was among my favourites around that time he played for Marseille (although I didn't see him playing for them a lot of course - sometimes in European games though I remember), and then Sheffield Wednesday.

    He had a loping running style but was still elusive (maybe it even helped him be deceptive with his movements on the ball), and with a good touch, especially on his left side and yeah he could be great with passes with his left foot played accurately over distance, often when cutting in on the right wing (he could play very good crosses from there too, and he could score free-kicks and goals like the one below with that leg even if missing the famous Italia 90 penalty over the bar with it too of course!)



    At times I guess his form could be a bit hit and miss, so sometimes he might lose possession easily etc (in the 1990 World Cup he had some games like this).

    I know he was good at Tottenham too, and I remember he scored a great goal for them dribbling down the left wing. Possibly while in England he wasn't seen as quite as good as Barnes (at club level over the season anyway), but by 90/91 maybe that had flipped around to Waddle's favour, though he was playing in France.
     
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