Best Striker At Their Prime?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Bavarian14, Dec 27, 2018.

  1. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    With these All comparisons, what exactly are you trying to show for us firstly ???????



    What is your point in all of this?
     
  2. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    What is truly important on this ?
     
  3. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    This method is very very messy like Michel Platini is behind Maradona having more Goals + Assists + Pre-assists + TeamGoals in general ?????


    ...

    Platini beats Maradona in everything. !
     
  4. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
  5. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Platini is a child to maradona...ha ha ha
     
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  6. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    But it is true Praasen ...



    Platini

    359 goals
    301 Assists

    vs


    Maradona


    345 Goals
    241 Assists
     
  7. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    His methods and Trachta's are very very confusing.
     
  8. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Did mathematics change the standards because of Maradona......hahahaha ?
     
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  9. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Platini has 201 assists actually,che Guevara...and he played for a great juventus side , hahahahahahahaha huh :cool:
     
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  10. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Crespo and lautaro Martinez has more goals for Argentina in far fewer games than Maradona.they are greater players ofcourse huh huh huh
     
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  11. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    You and Trachta-10 number

    are changing the laws of quantum physics and mathematics to always favor Diego here daily

    or I need to go back Into the Brazilian school again and again

    relearn how to count, the numbers correctly and the multiplication tables !

    What a Greek and Mexican tragedy!

    hahaha !
     
  12. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Michel Platini ... was a super classical Midfielder on the field . "!

    true Regista



    Luckily for you guys ...... " you and Trachta -10 number " , Platini was robbed against West Germany in 1982...World Cup

    If Platini had won that 1982 World Cup,

    nobody would have known who Maradona was for football.

    Be grateful to the refereeing against France in 1982...

    Schumacher's penalty wasn't given and was totally criminal.
     
  13. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    If you watch the match, west Germany had a clear headed goal cancelled too.so your justification does not stand.sorry mate.
     
  14. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy

    Maradona and Platini had produced very similar numbers for a large part of their respective careers. Platini's Juve was comparatively a stronger team than Maradona's Napoli but not by a large extent. Surely Platini could never rely on a striker as effective as Careca to convert his passes. Also Platini was more successful in Italy (2 scudetti in 5 season vs. 2 in 7) and much more successful at international level in club competitions (1 Coppa Coppe, 1 European Cup, 1 Intercontinental and 1 lost EC final vs. a Coppa Uefa and a few underwhelming participations in EC). So Maradona was surely not that more proficient so as to make up for the different overall team prowess (again, difference between team mates average level was not even that big). At NT level, Maradona was more successful (1 WC+1 lost WC final vs. 1 Euro), but here the team argument reverses, I mean, Argentina NT at mid/late 80s was likely better than France NT. And one can easily verify, as Carlito has stressed many times here, that Maradona's ex-teams never collapsed after he left: the opposite is perhaps truer, sometimes they even improved. So the claim that Maradona single handedly elevated mediocre teams to win big is not backed by definitive facts. In terms of sheer talent, Maradona was ahead, no doubt, but football is a team sport with an objective scoring, it's not exhibition, and intuition matters even more than execution skills.
    Thus all in all two similarly great players: to decide which one of the two has been the better is debatable.
     
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  15. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Disagree with almost every point.platini's juve from 1982-83 to 1984- 85 (3 seasons out of 5 was far superior than Maradona's napoli ever was,right from 84 to 91.they were those 3 seasons where platini had all his major european achievements.in 82-83 they had Zoff,bettega, rossi, boniek, tardelli, gentile, scirea,cabrini along with Platini.next 2 seasons had similar squads without zoff and bettega.Zoff was replaced by the excellent Stefano tacconi,who was called the best reserve keeper in the world.unfortunate to be playing football at the same time as zenga.
    Napoli had the best side during 1988-90 after Alemao joined.'89/90 they possessed diego, careca, alemao, cirro Ferrera, de napoli and zola who was just coming of age and played as maradona's sub mostly.
    I'm not sure Argentina team was superior in mid/late 80's.in Mexico '86 the French were not worse,atleast on paper.in 82 and 84 they were excellent and full of talent.
    In 1994 the Argentine side did collapse after the drug scandal.napoli also collapsed after him at touch slower pace.
     
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  16. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    Michel Platini and Zico were easily more consistent performers
    Regarding all the metrics of Professional Football . "!


    The main problem occurs is because the fans of Maradona, Riquelme, Ronaldinho Gaucho, Denilson Show, Jay Jay Okocha, etc...etc..etc. Fans of these showmen distort the metrics, taking them to the metrics of Free-Style Championship...2 but professional football already has its own very very clear metrics.

    They don't accept the stark truth. that's so simple.

    ...so they live in this total fantasy world.


    .
     
  17. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    I saw this on the internet another day here in Brazil :

    Mentally ill fans of Jay Jay Okocha...

    saying
    that he should have been elected the best player in the world

    in 1992, 1993

    and
    1994

    just because of his dribbling skills and Magical moves . "!


    Has football turned into freestyle hahahaha ?

    and I don't know about it

    that professional football has changed the main metrics ???
     
  18. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024
    I ask you:

    Frank 73

    Jay Jay OKocha, Djalminha , Ronaldinho Gaucho
    and Juan Roman Riquelme

    Because they had more born natural talent, a wider repertoire of dribbles, and skillful

    Were they really much better than Michel Platini and Zico because Of this ??????






    for me

    Of course ........Not not not ...

    Professional football encompasses many many more things and smaller details on this


    to analyze on this .
     
  19. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024

    I'll pretend

    that I believe in you.


    hahahahaha !
     
  20. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy

    None of those player was better than Platini in terms of productivity on the pitch, no doubt. In the case of Zico, they were not even more skillful than him. Zico could do anything Jay Jay, Djalminha, Dinho and Riquelme would conjure, and much more. Sure, Zico would have not done exactly the same way as them: he would have done it with less flair, less useless moves, less non-sensical touches, no elastico, but in a much more controlled and accurate way. That's (one of the reasons) why Zico scored much more than all of them: he was always infallibly doing what was needed to deliver.
     
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  21. Frank73

    Frank73 Member

    Inter Milan
    Brazil
    Mar 22, 2025
    Italy

    Exactly, football and freestyle are DIFFERENT games!! Being able to do fancy freestyles tricks does not necessarily means possessing a wonderful football technique! The way ball is hit on the pitch is only rarely the same as when showing off at juggling or performing the "Around the world". Sure, football players practice quite consistently in juggling to enhance sensitivity, but to achieve this goal basic juggling is enough: to be able to do jaw dropping tricks one has to practice at doing those tricks, and what he ends up getting is not much more than ability to do those particular tricks.
     
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  22. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes ,

    Zico ....

    Watching Zico's entire matches...

    I realized and discovered that Zico...recently
    is also a superb master at making excellent interceptions for the team.

    It shows me that he anticipates very very well and does this fully consciously.


    and

    Zico is the Messi with the right foot, but more pro-efficient.

    In the sense of being a natural leader for the Teams

    ...Messi took a long long time

    to evolve in this sense

    maturity and leadership came to Messi...

    from the age of 34 onwards




    ...........
    ..

    Zico without injuries

    And in today's easier football...

    For the protection of athletes, better fields, modern equipment, infrastructure... of 6 stars


    He would be better than Messi.


    Well... Platini... was very very skillful until 1979... after he broke his right ankle... he changed his style a littlebit on my view .
     
  23. Prasenjit

    Prasenjit Member

    Barcelona
    Argentina
    Aug 25, 2025
    Also half truth is that careca was always more effective than people like rossi.careca was way better than rossi in serie a ofcourse but not quite in europe.in 82-83 european cup rossi had 6 goals in 9 games.he also scored 5 times in 9 games in juve's winning campaign in 84-85.later aldo serena in platini's final 2 seasons,didn't do badly at all, scoring 21 times in 51 serie a matches and 5 times in 9 ucl games.
     
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  24. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    Who do you think so was better between the brazilians Edson Arantes Pelé or Zico ?????????
     
  25. Wiliam Felipe Gracek

    Santos FC
    France
    Feb 3, 2024


    yes , Platini ......also



    ....
    .
    " was always infallibly doing what was needed to deliver "

    even whole defensive Job ..

    Michel did it with Art way . !
     

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