The quote by Eriksson about Torbjorn Nilsson was from this section here at 7:30 by the way I remember: Sven Goran Eriksson makes astonishing choice in selecting his Ultimate World XI | MNF - YouTube The whole video is him selecting his non-English XI (he separately selected an English players one - I'm not sure if like Capello his joint version would actually contain no England players or not!) from players he managed.
It's going off the topic of strikers a bit, but interesting maybe that he put Mancini (who normally was more of a supporting forward) in midfield, and (although maybe the midfielders/strikers 'shortlists' were not made by Sven himself?) Giannini was not down as an option (he broke out more after Eriksson left Roma I suppose though, although it seems he progressed well under his management), while I noticed recently that Sampdoria offered to swap Mancini for Giannini at some point apparently, via this article linked here (a profile on Giannini): Soccer Nostalgia: Player Profiles-Part 6
I hadn't really meant to be controversial and leave Ibrahimovic out of it earlier when I posted this to be honest, and it wasn't anything to do with considering him more of a support striker (this would apply more to a Tomas Brolin but I guess he'd not be in the equation anyway so much except on absolute peak level perhaps and/or impact for the national team although it would seem Nordahl might be hard to beat on that one albeit not in such high level tournaments), so I'd accept he probably has to be in the mix too. Nilsson himself was surely capable as a provider too, and does have support striker as a secondary option on the PES stats page I see.
Talking of Brolin, I see Matigol did make a video for him too! Tomas Brolin – Best Player In The World Cup 1994 ● Moments of Genius - YouTube Best Player in the World Cup 1994 might be a big call, but he'd be up there somewhere in my opinion too at least. More often that not he played from the right wing position in that tournament anyway, but he'd been in a strike partnership in Euro 92 where he scored his famous goal vs England.
I notice this video now too of Nilsson playing in Uefa Cup and European Cup games of 81/82 and 85/86 apparently Torbjörn Nilsson - Best Swedish player of all time - YouTube It helps to show he could in full stride be quite quick but not THAT quick I suppose (so the PES ratings on speed seem ok for him indeed probably - whether he was a bit quicker in 82 than 86 or something is possible though I guess), and also highlights creative abilities with a few assists (I haven't gone back and checked what was already on Matigol's video by the way).
Incredible compilation and incredible player Ive never seen a centre forward (European or south American) with more functional skills in and around the penalty area. With all due respect to his fantastic career if Sergio aguero is the modern day equivalent he is a very poor imitation indeed IMO Romario needs to be talked about much more especially if it is prime(What he could do on his best days) as opposed to how long he was at that level At his best this guy had 100% of the skills of Gerd muller and about 50% of the skills of Diego Maradona Speed,ridiculous technique and tier 1 finishing
2 of the games greatest ever finishers dying within weeks of eachother Between Muller and Jimmy greaves are over 700 league goals,2 world cup medals and countless top scorer titles Part of history goes with the passing of the greats and since 2014 they've been going at a rate of almost 1 per year Di Stefano and Eusebio in 2014 Cruyff in 2016 Maradona in 2020 Gerd muller and jimmy greaves in 2021 Even less heralded legends like Socrates from Brazil Bobby Charlton is seriously frail/ill The game was arguably built on these players back Very sad times for the wider footballing community at large rest in peace to them all
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Not saying either of these players should be judged on the one game but obviously we don’t really get to directly judge them from a large sample of games. (And according to Pele’s PR machine these unofficial matches between South American and European clubs were apparently super important games, not saying I personally believe that or not, but whatever). Pelé (21 years old) Vs Hamburg Seeler (25 years old) Vs Santos Which striker would you prefer if all you knew was what you saw in this one game? Some of Seeler’s passes makes me wonder how many assists he must have had in his career. And the jump for his goal really is Ronaldo esque despite being about 5’7
Difficult to gauge a players true level from what he does in friendly matches Its also very hard to delve into the realm of hypothetical scenarios Peles career is very well documented for a player of his time For his finishing,his longevity,his headers,his link up play and his technique he cannot be compared to somebody like seeler Uwe seeler was 27 years old when the bundesliga was formed yet he scored 25 league goals or more only once there(30 league goals in 1963/64 to be exact) This at a time of all time high goal scoring averages in bundesliga(3.57 goals per game) Lothar Emmerich a player with 1 cap for the west German NT scored 31 Bundesliga goals in 1965/66 He followed this up with 28 in 1966/67 A player with 1 cap for the German NT did this!! Neither Seeler or emmerich made the 23 man ballon dor shortlist in either 1964,1965 or 1966 which says alot about the perception of them as players in real games in competitive matches
There are fine margins between the most glorious success, and failure. In the 66 World Cup final he smashed a 27 yard shot into the top corner at 1-1 but Gordon Banks (considered the best goalkeeper in the world) made a flying save with his fingertips. If that went in and Germany win how does it change his status and reputation? Look I think I’ve made it clear on this forum how highly I think of Maradona but if he had a bad injury in April of 1986 that’s his “legacy” down the toilet. But I’d still prefer him over most if not all other players.
Are you sure ? Anyways , I seem to recall Rivaldo scoring a fabulously important and impressive hattrick for FC Barcelona including a long distance overhead kick in the top corner ( and it wasn’t a shinner like Rooney’s was )
The other thing I’d add is that Seeler was the Footballer Of The Year in Germany three times. Only Beckenbauer beat that with four times. No one else in the history of German football has beat that since the award began in 1960. Only a handful of players have equalled it. Not even Gerd Muller equalled it. The thing about the Ballon D’or in those days is that, considering the state of highly limited visual media coverage, I don’t really trust its judgement, with journalists rating players from afar that they don’t have any business passing judgement on, really. On the other hand I can believe that journalists at the national level were seeing the players they rated playing live regularly, and so maybe I put a bit more credibility on national awards like Footballer Of The Year of a nation given by journalists of that nation.
German footballer of the year in 1970? 1970 ballon dor= Gerd muller Bundesliga 1969/70 top scorer Gerd muller:38 goals Uwe seeler:17 goals I don't know what german journalists were seeing to be honest Mind you uwe seeler was only 27 years old when the bundesliga was formed and he was a player famed for his longevity yet he made kickers bundesliga team of the season only once in his career About player of the year awards,golden boots, ballon dors etc Messi by 2012 had 2 European golden boots Thierry Henry also won 2 European golden boots in his career Henry scored 30 league goals in 2003/04 and that was enough to be considered the top domestic scorer in Europe's top 5 leagues Messi scored 50 league goals in 2011/12 Same award yet not remotely comparable in anyway shape or form Same with uwe seeler and Gerd muller Gerd muller was competing against franz beckenbaur in his peak Gunther netzer in his peak Paul Breitner in his peak Dieter muller in his peak Karl Heinz rummenige at or close to his peak Who was around in Germany between 1953-64 playing at their peak who would be considered a 250 all timer? I think youre wrong underplaying the reach of journalists who voted at the ballon dor. Uwe seeler finished 3rd in the 1960 ballon dor ahead of Alfredo di stefano Had Pele been eligible everyone with the possible exception of Luis Suarez would be moved down a place
I saw this once btw https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/romario-the-most-overrated-st-in-modern-football-history.2037703/ And now this too. Who knows what happened ! Incase of changing mind after getting bebunked , its good and appreciated btw
I used to be a bigger fan of Ronaldo nazario then any other player including Cristiano Ronaldo That should tell you all you need to know Despite the softening tone and new found 'appreciation' i have of Romario de souza there are still some exaggerations from his extreme fanbase (some old posters that used to run rampant here) In addition to having holes in his resume that have simply been glossed over Ie Going houdini in the 1993/94 Champions league Scoring in bunches in la liga 1993/94(his goals were not evenly spread out which would purport to a certain level of consistency) Leaving Europe way way to early for my own personal liking Suggestions his world cup performance in 1994 was something out of the ordinary(deeper analysis shows it was not) Losing the dutch player of the year almost every single season he played in the eredivisie And it goes on etc The claim on big soccer was that he was a top 25 all timer. That was the context and agenda i was disputing in those posts you reference I never believed that he was a top 25 all timer then I don't believe that now and will frankly probably never believe that at any point in the foreseeable future Purely as a finisher in and around the box i havent seen anything like him from a technical perspective Outside the box there are 30 forwards i could name of the top off my head who were cleariy was impactful
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After Ronaldo’s 2002 World Cup performance, he was on track to becoming a more prolific & better version of his previous self. Obviously he had to change his game, played a less captivating style, but in terms of efficiency he looked like he could win another 2-3 Ballon D’ors if he stayed healthy. Unfortunately he wasn’t able to maintain his form & gained weight which impacted his effectiveness. He was still averaging about 40 goal contributions during his 1st three seasons at Real but considering the quality of his team, it wasn’t good enough for European Cup success or another Ballon D’or. If he kept up his World Cup form for another few seasons, we might be talking about a top 8 player of all time.
Sorry for the tag guys, I just want to ask who y’all think is better between El Fenomeno & Luis Alberto Suarez?
You probably lack football knowledge , and lacks judgement of game from what it seems. Probably a hater of Pele too it seems by mention of unreal PR and sort of stuffs. The fact that you mention Which striker was better? probably indicates your knowledge . "Striker" ?? Pele was never a striker .Research and learn about Playing position and role of Pele on field first : http://otaviopinto.com/index.php/2016/07/14/pele-10-formation/ And seriously it makes me question whether you have even seen the game too. Nobody with a sound brain who watched that game would even call Pele a striker. Its like calling a young Maradona a striker , or Messi a striker. He was literally operating from way deeper position in that game And i watched the full game long back . Pele was miles better in that game than Seeler , not even close .
Compare Luis Suarez with Thierry Henry , or Gabriel Batistuta (probably suarez is better) - a more closer comparision. Ronaldo , Romario , MVB above his league