Best South American players - Pre war era

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  1. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Best South American players - Mid 30s
    This is the first version for the list in the 1933-36 era:

    Keepers
    VALDIVIESO, Juan (Per) – Alianza Lima
    BELLO, Fernando (Arg) - Independiente
    GUALCO, Sebastián (Arg) – Platense / San Lorenzo
    JAGUARÉ (Bra) – Corinthians / Barcelona / Sporting Lisboa
    BALLESTEROS, Enrique (Uru) – Rampla Jrs / Peñarol
    YUSTRICH, Elías (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    BESUZZO, Juan (Uru) – Wanderers
    GARCÍA, Eduardo (Uru) - Nacional
    CORTÉS, Roberto (Chi) – Colo Colo


    Right Full-back
    NASAZZI, José (Uru) – Nacional
    TARRÍO, Óscar (Arg) – Newell’s / San Lorenzo
    IRIBARREN, Juan Carlos (Arg) – Chacarita
    FERNÁNDEZ, Arturo (Per) – Universitario
    CORTÉS, Ascanio (Chi) – Sport.Tocopilla / Audax Italiano
    GONZÁLEZ, José María (Arg) - Racing
    WILSON, Carlos (Arg) – Talleres/Unión
    SYLVIO Hofmann (Bra) – Peñarol / Sao Paulo / Botafogo
    CÓRDOVA, Jorge (Chi) – Magallanes


    Left Full-back
    DA GUÍA, Domingos (Bra) – Nacional / Vasco / Boca
    MUÑIZ, Agenor (Uru) – Wanderers
    CUELLO, Alberto (Arg) – River Plate
    JUNQUEIRA, José (Bra) – Palestra Italia
    DE SAA, Manuel (Arg) – Vélez / América Río
    COLETTA, Sabino (Arg) – Lanús / Talleres
    LAVALLE, Víctor Guarderas (Per) – Alianza Lima
    OLMEDO, Quiterio (Par) – Club Nacional
    CAZENAVE, Héctor (Uru) – Def.Sporting / Peñarol / Sochaux


    Right Half-Backs
    ZUNINO, Erebo (Uru) - Peñarol
    TOVAR, Carlos (Per) – Universitario
    DE JONGE, Rodolfo (Arg) - Independiente
    SANTAMARÍA, Carlos (Arg) – River Plate
    SBARRA, Roberto (Arg) - Estudiantes
    MONTERO, Juan (Chi) – Colo Colo
    LÓPEZ, Arcadio (Arg) – Sportivo Bs.As./Ferro
    TUNGA (Bra) – Palestra Itália
    ARANEDA, Enrique (Chi) –Audax Italiano


    Center Halfback
    MINELLA, José María (Arg) – Gimnasia / River Plate
    LAZZATTI, Ernesto (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    FAUSTO dos Santos (Bra) – Young Fellow/Nacional/Vasco
    ANDREOLO, Miguel (Uru) – Nacional / Bologna
    TORRES, Arturo (Chi) – Magallanes / Colo Colo
    MARTIM da Silveira (Bra) – Boca Jrs. / Botafogo
    CASTILLO, Titina (Per) – Sport Boys
    FERNÁNDEZ, Lorenzo (Uru) – Peñarol
    CORAZZO, Juan Carlos (Uru) - Independiente
    RIVEROS, Guillermo (Chi) – La Cruz / Audax Italiano
    BRANDAO, José Augusto (Bra) – Portuguesa / Corinthians


    Left Half-Backs
    GESTIDO, Álvaro (Uru) - Peñarol
    SUÁREZ, Arico (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    WERGIFKER, Aaron (Arg) – River Plate
    PÉREZ, Marcelino (Uru) - Nacional
    JORDÁN, Orestes (Per) – Universitario
    GORNALL, Guillermo (Chi) – Audax Italiano
    DE MARE, Antonio (Arg) - Racing
    CANALLI, Heitor (Bra) – Flamengo / Torino / Botafogo
    DENIS, Luis (Uru) – Wanderers


    Right Winger
    PEUCELLE, Carlos (Arg) – River Plate
    PORTA, Roberto (Uru) – Independiente / Ambrosiana
    LAVALLE, José María (Per) – Alianza Lima
    LAURI, Miguel Ángel (Arg) - Estudiantes
    FRIONE, Francisco (Uru) – Ambrosiana
    SORREL, Enrique (Chi) – Audax Italiano / Colo Colo
    LUIZINHO Oliveira (Bra) – Sao Paulo / Estudiantes SP / Palestra It.
    PIRIZ, Juan Emilio (Uru) – Defensor Sporting
    CAVADINI, Rubén (Arg) – San Lorenzo


    Inside Right
    VARALLO, Francisco (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    SASTRE, Antonio (Arg) – Independiente
    CASTRO, Héctor (Uru) – Estudiantes / Nacional
    ZITO, Vicente (Arg) - Racing
    DUHART, Pedro (Uru) – Nacional / Sochaux
    CIOCCA, Aníbal (Uru) – Nacional
    WALDEMAR de Brito (Bra) – Sao Paulo / Botafogo / San Lorenzo
    NILO Braga (Bra) - Botafogo
    ANSELMO, Peregrino (Uru) - Peñarol
    MAYO, Iván (Chi) – Colo Colo / Vélez Sarsfield
    MAGALLANES, Adelfo (Per) – Alianza Lima


    Centreforward
    FERREYRA, Bernabé (Arg) – River Plate
    MASANTONIO, Herminio (Arg) – Huracán
    VILLANUEVA, Alejandro (Per) – Alianza Lima
    BENÍTEZ CÁCERES, Delfín (Par) – Boca Jrs
    ZOZAYA, Alberto (Arg) – Estudiantes
    CARVALHO LEITE (Bra) - Botafogo
    PETRONILO de Brito (Bra) – San Lorenzo
    FERNÁNDEZ, Teodoro (Per) – Universitario
    ERICO, Arsenio (Par) – Club Nacional / Independiente
    FEITICO (Bra) – Peñarol / Vasco
    ALCALDE, Jorge (Per) – Sport Boys


    Inside Left
    CHERRO, Roberto (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    LEÓNIDAS da Silva (Bra) – Peñarol / Vasco / Botafogo / Flamengo
    FEDULLO, Francisco (Uru) – Bologna
    FERNÁNDEZ, Enrique (Uru) – Nacional / Barcelona
    SCOPELLI, Alejandro (Arg) – Estudiantes / AS Roma / Racing
    VARELA, Severino (Uru) – River-Uru / Peñarol
    GIÚDICE, Carlos (Chi) – Audax Italiano
    GARCÍA, Diego (Arg) – San Lorenzo
    DEVINCENZI, Alfredo (Arg) – Estudiantil Porteño / Ambrosiana
    VILLADÓNIGA, Segundo (Uru) - Peñarol
    CARMONA, Arturo (Chi) - Magallanes


    Left Winger
    GARCÍA, Enrique (Arg) – Rosario Central /Racing
    CASTRO, Braulio (Uru) - Peñarol
    PATESKO (Bra) – Nacional / Peñarol / Botafogo
    HÉRCULES (Bra) – Sao Paulo Floresta / Fluminense
    MORALES, José (Per) – Alianza Lima
    ARRIETA, Arturo (Arg) – San Lorenzo
    AVILÉS, Moisés (Chi) – Audax Italiano
    SCHENËEBERGER, Carlos (Chi) – Colo Colo
    FIGUEROA, Roberto (Uru) – Wanderers
     
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  2. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Resume for Mid-30s list (v.1)


    107 players listed = 9.7 players per position


    Players by country:
    Argentina - 34
    Uruguay - 26
    Brazil - 18
    Chile - 14
    Perú - 12
    Paraguay - 3


    Clubs by League:
    Argentina - 18
    Brazil - 9
    Uruguay - 6
    Chile - 5
    Italy - 4
    Perú - 3
    Paraguay - 1


    Players by league*:
    Argentina - 38
    Uruguay - 23
    Brazil - 15
    Chile - 15
    Perú - 12
    Italy - 5
    Paraguay - 2


    Clubs with more players:
    Peñarol - 13
    Nacional - 11
    Boca Jrs - 8
    Botafogo - 8
    Audax Italiano - 7
    San Lorenzo - 7
    Alianza Lima - 6
    Independiente - 6
    Colo Colo - 6
    River Plate - 5
    Estudiantes - 5
    Racing - 5
    Wanderers - 4
    Universitario - 4
    Sao Paulo - 4
    Vasco - 4
    .......


    * Note: To determinate which league had been more represented, i follow this criteria.
    A player who stay all 3 years in one club = 1; in other cases count as 0.5
     
  3. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The most prominent SA sides in the mid 1930s

    -------------- champion ------- 2nd ----------- 3rd
    Arg 1933 --San Lorenzo --- Boca Jrs ------- Racing
    Arg 1934 --- Boca Jrs ---Independiente - San Lorenzo
    Arg 1935 ----Boca Jrs --- Independiente - San Lorenzo
    Arg 1936 ----- River ------ San Lorenzo ----- Racing
    Uru 1933 --- Nacional------- Peñarol ------ Rampla Jrs
    Uru 1934 --- Nacional------- Peñarol ------ Wanderers
    Uru 1935 ---- Peñarol------ Nacional ----- Rampla Jrs
    Uru 1936 ---- Peñarol---- Rampla Jrs ----- Nacional
    Car 1933 ---- Botafogo ----- Bangú
    Car 1934 ---- Botafogo ------ Vasco
    Car 1935 ---- Botafogo ----- América
    Car 1936 ------ Vasco ---- Fluminense
    Paul 1933 -- Palestra It. ----Sao Paulo
    Paul 1934 ---Palestra It. --- Sao Paulo
    Paul 1935 ----- Santos ----- Portuguesa
    Paul 1936 --- Palestra It. ---Portuguesa
    Per 1933 --Alianza Lima --Universitario
    Per 1934 -- Universitario --Alianza Lima
    Per 1935 --- Sport Boys --- Alianza Lima
    Per 1936 -----------not played
    Chi 1933 --- Magallanes ----- Colo Colo
    Chi 1934 --- Magallanes --Audax Italiano
    Chi 1935 --- Magallanes - Audax Italiano
    Chi 1936 ---- Audax Ital. --- Magallanes
    Par 1933 ---------- not played
    Par 1934 ---------- not played
    Par 1935 --- Cerro Porteño --Sol América
    Par 1936 ------ Olimpia ------- Atlántida


    Note:
    In 1933-34, Paraguayan league wasn't played due to war
    In 1936, peruvian league was cancelled due to Olympic Games participation.
     
  4. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
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  5. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    I'll post soon the late 30s list.

    Maybe, @JGGott and @tpmazembe could make some insights to these lists (esp. the 1950s - 60s period).
    See post #1
     
  6. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Best South American players - Late 30s
    This is the first version for the list in the 1937-39 era:

    Keepers
    BELLO, Fernando (Arg) - Independiente
    HONORES, Juan (Per) – Universitario
    JAGUARÉ (Bra) – Olympique Marseille / Marítimo
    ESTRADA, Juan (Arg) – Huracán / Boca Jrs.
    BESUZZO, Juan (Uru) – Wanderers / River Plate
    GUALCO, Sebastián (Arg) – Chacarita / San Lorenzo
    YUSTRICH, Elías (Arg) – Boca Jrs. / Gimnasia
    BATATAIS (Bra) - Fluminense
    GARCÍA, Eduardo (Uru) – Nacional
    VALDIVIESO, Juan (Per) – Alianza Lima


    Right Full-back
    DA GUÍA, Domingos (Bra) – Boca / Flamengo
    CORTÉS, Ascanio (Chi) – Audax Italiano / River Plate
    SANGUINETTI, Manuel (Uru) – River Montevideo/Independiente
    CHAPPEL, Raúl (Per) – Sport Boys
    QUISPE, Juan (Per) – Alianza Lima
    FAZZIO, Luis (Arg) – Independiente / Nacional
    SEOANE, Arturo (Uru) - Wanderers
    CÓRDOVA, Jorge (Chi) – Magallanes
    INVERNIZZI, Antonio (Par) - Libertad


    Left Full-back
    MUÑIZ, Agenor (Uru) – Wanderers
    ALBERTI, Jorge (Arg) - Huracán
    FERNÁNDEZ, Arturo (Per) – Universitario
    CUELLO, Alberto (Arg) – River Plate
    MASCHERONI, Ernesto (Uru) - Peñarol
    COLETTA, Sabino (Arg) – Independiente
    CADILLA, Avelino (Uru) – River Montevideo
    MARANTE, José (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    ROA, Humberto (Chi) – Audax Italiano


    Right Half-Backs
    ZUNINO, Erebo (Uru) - Peñarol
    MONTAÑEZ, Óscar (Arg) – Gimnasia
    SANTAMARÍA, Carlos (Arg) - Fluminense
    TOVAR, Carlos (Per) – Universitario
    ZEZÉ Procopio (Bra) – At.Mineiro / Botafogo
    SBARRA, Roberto (Arg) - Estudiantes
    BLOTTO, Héctor (Arg) – Vélez
    MONTERO, Juan (Chi) – Colo Colo
    AYALA, Diego (Par) - Libertad


    Center Halfback
    MINELLA, José María (Arg) – River Plate
    CASTILLO, Titina (Per) – Sport Boys
    LAZZATTI, Ernesto (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    BRANDAO, José Augusto (Bra) – Corinthians
    GALVALISI, Eugenio (Uru) – Rampla Jrs / Nacional
    RIVEROS, Guillermo (Chi) – Audax Italiano
    FACCIO, Ricardo (Uru) - Nacional
    VILLALBA, Jacinto (Par) – Cerro Porteño
    GESTIDO, Álvaro (Uru) – Peñarol
    RODOLFI, Bruno (Arg) – River Plate


    Left Half-Backs
    SUÁREZ, Pedro “Arico” (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    COLOMBO, Bartolomé (Arg) – San Lorenzo
    PÉREZ, Marcelino (Uru) - Vasco
    WERGIFKER, Aaron (Arg) – River Plate
    MARTÍNEZ, Celestino (Arg) - Independiente
    JORDÁN, Orestes (Per) – Universitario
    AFONSINHO (Bra) – Sao Cristovao
    PORTAL, Carlos (Per) – Sport Boys
    PONCE, Luis (Chi) – Magallanes


    Right Winger
    PORTA, Roberto (Uru) – Nacional
    PEUCELLE, Carlos (Arg) – River Plate
    SORREL, Enrique (Chi) – Colo Colo
    LUIZINHO Oliveira (Bra) – Palestra Itália
    GUAITA, Enrique (Arg) – Racing / Estudiantes
    CASTRO, Braulio (Uru) – Peñarol
    BARRIOS, Marcial (Par) – Olimpia / Huracán
    ALCALDE, Teodoro (Per) – Sport Boys
    MINISTRINHO (Bra) – Sao Paulo


    Inside Right
    LEÓNIDAS da Silva (Bra) – Flamengo
    VARELA, Severino (Uru) - Peñarol
    DE LA MATA, Vicente (Arg) – Independiente
    CIOCCA, Aníbal (Uru) – Nacional
    VARALLO, Francisco (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    ROMEU Pelliciari (Bra) - Fluminense
    MAGALLANES, Adelfo (Per) – Alianza Lima
    VALDEMAR De Brito (Bra) – Flamengo / San Lorenzo
    CHIRIMINI, Óscar (Uru) – River Montevideo
    AVENDAÑO, José (Chi) - Magallanes


    Centreforward
    ERICO, Arsenio (Par) – Independiente
    FERNÁNDEZ, Teodoro "Lolo" (Per) – Universitario
    GARCÍA, Atilio (Arg) – Boca Jrs. / Nacional
    TORO, Raúl (Chi) – Santiago Wanderers
    ALCALDE, Jorge (Per) – Sport Boys / River Plate
    MASANTONIO, Herminio (Arg) - Huracán
    BENÍTEZ CÁCERES, Delfín (Par) – Boca Jrs.
    GONZÁLEZ, Aurelio (Par) – Olimpia
    PURICELLI, Héctor (Uru) – Central Español / Bologna
    CARVALHO Leite (Bra) – Botafogo
    DOMÍNGUEZ, Alfonso (Chi) – Badminton/U.Española/Colo Colo


    Inside Left
    SASTRE, Antonio (Arg) – Independiente
    MORENO, José Manuel (Arg) – River Plate
    TIM (Bra) – Fluminense
    VILLADÓNIGA, Segundo (Uru) – Peñarol / Vasco
    PERÁCIO, José (Bra) – Botafogo
    BALDONEDO, Emilio (Arg) – Huracán
    FEDULLO, Francisco (Uru) – Bologna
    CHERRO, Roberto (Arg) – Boca Jrs.
    ORTEGA, Miguel (Par) - Libertad
    ARANCIBIA, Carlos (Chi) – Colo Colo


    Left Winger
    GARCÍA, Enrique (Arg) – Racing
    PEDERNERA, Adolfo (Arg) – River Plate
    HÉRCULES (Bra) – Fluminense
    CAMAITI, Adelaido (Uru) – Peñarol
    PATESKO (Bra) – Botafogo
    MORALES, José (Per) – Alianza Lima
    EMEAL, Raúl (Arg) – Ferro / Vasco
    ARREGUI, Gabino (Arg) – Gimnasia
    FLOR, Martín (Par) – Cerro Porteño
    .
     
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  7. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #32 msioux75, Jul 26, 2014
    Last edited: Jul 26, 2014
    Resume for the Late-30s list (v.1)


    105 players listed = 9.5 players per position


    Players by country:
    Argentina - 34
    Uruguay - 21
    Brazil - 16
    Perú - 14
    Chile - 11
    Paraguay - 9


    Clubs by League:
    Argentina - 10
    Brazil - 9
    Uruguay - 6
    Chile - 6
    Perú - 3
    Paraguay - 3
    Italy - 1
    France - 1
    Portugal - 1


    Players by league*:
    Argentina - 36
    Uruguay - 18
    Brazil - 17
    Perú - 13
    Chile - 11
    Paraguay - 7
    Italy - 2
    France - 1
    Portugal - 1


    Clubs with more players:
    River Plate - 10
    Boca Jrs - 9
    Independiente - 8
    Peñarol - 7
    Nacional - 7
    Universitario - 5
    Fluminense - 5
    Huracán - 5
    Botafogo - 4
    Colo Colo - 4
    .......


    * Note: To determinate which league had been more represented, i follow this criteria.
    A player who stay all 3 years in one club = 1; in other cases count as 0.5
     
  8. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    The most prominent SA sides in the late 1930s

    --------------- champion -------- 2nd ------------ 3rd
    Arg 1937 ------ River -----Independiente --- Boca Jrs
    Arg 1938--Independiente ----- River ------ San Lorenzo
    Arg 1939 - Independiente ----- River -------- Huracán
    Uru 1937 ----- Peñarol-------- Nacional ---- Wanderers
    Uru 1938 ----- Peñarol-------- Nacional - Central Español
    Uru 1939 ---- Nacional-------- Peñarol ----- Wanderers
    Car 1937 -- Fluminense ----- Flamengo
    Car 1938 -- Fluminense ----- Flamengo
    Car 1939 --- Flamengo ------- Botafogo
    Paul 1937 -- Corinthians ---Palestra Italia
    Paul 1938 --Corinthians ----- Sao Paulo
    Paul 1939 -- Corinthians ---Palestra Italia
    Per 1937 ----Sport Boys -----Alianza Lima
    Per 1938 ---- Municipal ------Sport Boys
    Per 1939 -- Universitario ----- Sucre FC
    Chi 1937 ---- Colo Colo -------Magallanes
    Chi 1938 --- Magallanes --- Audax Italiano
    Chi 1939 ---- Colo Colo -- Santiago Morning
    Par 1937 ----- Olimpia ----- Cerro Porteño
    Par 1938 ----- Olimpia ------Cerro Porteño
    Par 1939 -- Cerro Porteño ----- Olimpia
    .
     
  9. User101

    User101 Member

    Nov 10, 2012
    I can help you out with 50's and 60's players, but previous to 1940's is a bit far from my radar.

    You seem to have forgotten Arthur Friedenreich (BRA), though: the first Brazilian football superstar, from when football was still an amateur sport in Brazil (it only became professional in 1933-4).
     
  10. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Thanks, will be nice, especially concerning brazilian players.

    About Friedenreich, he's on the early-30s list. But, i consider him more a 10's and 20's player.
     
  11. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #36 msioux75, Nov 18, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2014
    I find this in my notes:

    Ideal XI for Copa America 1949

    --------------------------------------------- S.GARCIA (Par)

    ------------------------ AUGUSTO (Bra) ---------------------- A.DA SILVA (Per)

    ----------------- ELI (Bra) -------------- A.GONZÁLES (Per) -------------- C.HEREDIA (Per)

    F.CASTILLO (Per) ----- ZIZINHO (Bra) ----- D.ARCE (Par) ----- JAIR (Bra) ----- SIMAO (Bra)

    Subs: Barbosa (Bra) - F.Fuentes (Per), Mauro (Bra) - G.Colunga (Per), Danilo (Bra), L.Calderón (Per) - Tesourinha (Bra), López Fretes (Par), Gómez Sánchez (Per), J.D.Benítez Cáceres (Par), E.Avalos (Par)

    Source: Equipo (peruvian magazine), june 1949.


    Made the selection, 9 brazilians, 8 peruvians, 5 paraguayans. Argentina withdrew and Uruguay sent a youth team
    http://www.rsssf.com/tables/49safull.html
     
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  12. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Interesting no ademir, I know he missed some games but I figured he would still rate well especially after the final.
     
  13. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Are you sureprised that there are more peruvians than paraguayans?
     
  14. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Yeah, I think the same when I've been posting it.

    I really don't know why, Ademir was in and out of the starting XI during the Copa America, but he clearly had an outstanding match in the final with a hat trick, also braces from Jair and Tesourinha.

    In RSSSF, gives to Ademir, the Best Player award. Another debatable choice as H.Herrera in 1953, when I crossing with my own sources. In this edition I had no ratings, but I guess for "Equipo" the MVP could be Jair (also topscorer) or may be Zizinho.

    At this point, I think Ademir hadn't an outstanding CA'49, at least not a "head and shoulders" performance above others centreforwards as Dionisio Arce (signed for Lazio after CA) or Carlos Gomez Sanchez (who also played a good CA in 1947).
     
  15. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #40 msioux75, Nov 18, 2014
    Last edited: Nov 18, 2014
    The first thing that comes to mind, is because is a peruvian source.

    From what I know about the tournament, the debatable peruvian picks are Colunga, Fuentes and Calderón. Maybe due to low competition in performing for their spots.

    But in the context of the era, peruvian players were recognized in South America as the wizards of the continent, just like argentinians and brazilians, but lacked of other factors to perform better.

    I mean, I think could be safe to said that in those years peruvians players were better individually than paraguayans, more skilled.

    Btw, Paraguay had a golden era in those years too. Much more admirable, considering they changed their teams a lot with each subsequent tournament. I mean their local clubs couldn't retain the main players. During the 40s-50s Paraguay feeding with his stars, leagues as colombian, argentinian, brazilian, spanish, italian, etc. And despite of that (when in form) its ELO those years were around the top-10 NTs.

    http://www.eloratings.net/Paraguay.htm

    http://forums.bigsoccer.com/threads/greatest-generations-in-footballs-history.1381429/#post-21928874
     
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  16. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Anything you could get further back would be amazing. I have always been really interested in who was rated as the top players for the three time champs from Argentina in 45, 46, 47.
     
  17. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    #42 msioux75, Dec 13, 2015
    Last edited: Dec 13, 2015
    I recently get an El Grafico issue, dated Feb.13, 1942, just ending the XIV Copa America edition. An All Star Team isn't mentioned :( but there are some interesting notes.

    Brazil played the most beautiful football, but lacked firepower to get a real chance to the title. The tournament was full of great keepers, these, alongside defensive players were the better players in this Copa America.
     
  18. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Copa América 1942:

    GOALIES
    .
    This tournament had very good goalies, some of them were excellent. Livingstone was brought from Chile due to bad performances of the starters and inmediately became the main star of the chilean squad. some notable matches were against Perú and Argentina.
    Also at first line, was the brazilian youngster Cajú, with very good performances, especially against Argentina, saving a very close shooting from Moreno.
    Other great goalkeepers were peruvian Honores with high efficiency throughtout the tournament and argentinian Gualco performing at his usual level (especially in the final).
    btw, in peruvian sources is also highly praised the only cap by Soriano vs Argentina, he received three goals but must be twenty if it were not by his outstanding performance (after that he was signed by River Plate).

    BACKS.
    Another position full of great performers. Brazil was rated as having the best defensive line, leading by star player Domingos, well coupled by Osvaldo. One of the best was peruvian Right Fullback, Quispe, constantly at good level. Among the chileans, played very good Salfate especially in the Pacific Derby. In the champion side, both Romero and Muñiz had a strong tourney. In Argentina was missed Alberti for the final match, meanwhile Salomón played inconsistently in the final.

    HALVES.
    Uruguayan halves line had a very good tournament, but played badly in the final, surpringsinly O.Varela too. Argentinian Perucca was rated as MotM in the final, that match was the best for argentinian halves, Esperón a regular perfomer and Ramos rising his level. The brazilian Brandao was one the stars of his side, very well complemented by Afonsinho and Dino. In Chile, Cabrera played well in the pacific derby.

    FORWARDS.
    The veteran Porta was the leading figure in the uruguan offensive, S.Varela was the dynamo and played injured in the final, Chirimini was important against Perú. In the argentine side, Moreno played good but not at his level in the final, also Masantonio had a good tournament but not at his best, meanwhile E.Garcia totally failed in the final. The better ofensive displays in a poor ofensive Copa were played in the brazilian side (El Grafico didn't mentioned anyone, but the famous names were Tim and Zizinho). One of the few notorious chilean was winger Riera.

    http://www.rsssf.com/tables/42safull.html
     
  19. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Tentative Copa America 1942 ideal XI, could be (some out of position):

    --------------------------------- Livingstone (Chi)
    ------------------------ Quispe (Per) --------- D.da Guia (Bra)
    ------------ Brandao (Bra) ------ O.Varela (Uru) --------------- Perucca (Arg)
    Porta (Uru) --- Moreno (Arg) --- Masantonio (Arg) --- S.Varela (Uru) --- Tim (Bra)
     
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  20. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    An interesting fact is that Chile used in this Copa a "new tactic" that tried to surprise the rivals, but get two trashing results instead.

    Note that in 1941, Colo colo won the chilean championship under coaching by Ferenc Platko, with the WM, playing Jose Pastene the WM centrehalf role, known as "Half Policia".

    Also Argentina was criticized by playing their Inside Forwards in a withdrawn role, far from the centreforward, the upfront man alongside the wingers. In fact most of the teams were criticized by the "lack of penetration" of their forwards.
     
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  21. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Awesome find.
     
  22. Tom Stevens

    Tom Stevens Member+

    Dec 12, 2012
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Very interesting stuff, from some of the player descriptions it sounds as if Argentina may have outplayed Uruguay in the final, but were failed by the forwards. Interesting who got mentioned in the Uruguay front line. I would have thought Zapirain, Castro, and Ciocca all would have been mentioned. Especially Zapirain, who scored the winner vs Argentina that I remember being described as an excellent goal from distance. Interesting that Perucca outplayed the famous Uruguayan halves (Varela and Gambetta) in the final.

    Surprised they referred to it as a poor offensive Copa. I guess Peru and Chile had poor performances offensively, especially Peru when you consider some of the attacking players they had in the team. Also interesting that they singled out Brazil's forward line despite being comfortably outscored by both Uruguay and Argentina over the course of the tournament.
     
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  23. Raute

    Raute Member

    Jun 9, 2015
    Club:
    SV Werder Bremen
    what position actually did Victor Rodriguez Andrade play? I thought he was right fullback/half.
     
  24. msioux75

    msioux75 Member+

    Jan 8, 2006
    Lima, Peru
    Uruguayan teams were the last ones (among top sides) performing the 2-3-5 system until mid 1950s, being Rodriguez Andrade a balanced wing-half in a three halves line.

    btw, all "best players list" I tried to listed in the current system that most South american teams used in that respective period placing top SA players in the role which fits better his current role by then.
     
  25. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

    Sep 19, 2014
    Club:
    FC Nantes
    @msioux75,
    Can you bring some infos on Castillo please?
     

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