I open this thread to post all the data I have on individual performances of the players involved in Mexico 70 to try to establish the Ranking of the best.
I start by putting the ratings of "As", which are not complete, but almost, because I think they only stopped putting the notes in two matches of the group stage. Due to lack of time, this list does not include all the players who took part in the championship, but only those who in my humble opinion were the most known / popular at the time. Empiezo poniendo los ratings del "As", que no están completo, pero casi, pues creo que solo dejaron de poner las notas en dos partidos de la fase de grupos. Por falta de tiempo, esta lista no abarca a la totalidad de los jugadores que intervinieron en el campeonato, sino, solo, los que en mi modesta opinión eran los más conocidos / populares del momento.
Unfortunately, "Marca" scored some games and not others. Anyway, out of curiosity I put the ratings I have, which are insufficient to take them into account. Lamentablemente, "Marca" puntuó algunos partidos y otros no. De todas formas, por curiosidad pongo los ratings de los que dispongo, insuficientes para poder tenerlos muy en cuenta.
Well, after a long time searching, I have finally found the France Football ratings, practically complete. Only the semifinals were missing, but with the ones I had previously and finding the difference between the total number of stars and the provisional ones of the ones I was missing, I have been able to calculate almost all the players I wanted. I have calculated the correspondence between the grades given in France Football and the extrapolation of the same on a maximum of 10 (or almost) and thus, in the table that I share you can see both averages, the one of the stars and the corresponding equivalent. Bueno, pues después de bastante tiempo buscando, finalmente he encontrado los ratings de France Football, prácticamente completos. Solo faltaban las semifinales, pero con los que tenía anteriormente y hallando la diferencia entre el total de estrellas y las provisionales de los que me faltaban, he podido calcular prácticamente la totalidad de los jugadores que me propuse. He calculado la correspondencia entre las notas que se daban en France Football y la extrapolación de las mismas sobre un máximo de 10 (o casi) y de esa manera, en la tabla que comparto podreís ver ambos promedios, el de las estrellas y el equivalente correspondiente.
If I combine the ratings of "As" and "France Football", I have the average waiting for more notes. Si combino los ratings de "As" y de "France Football", tengo el promedio a la espera de obtener más notas.
World Cup 1970 ideal teams 1. World Cup's team selected by 40 experts including Zagalo, Moreira, Mitic, Schön, etc 4-3-3: Banks (15? 19? the font is erased) -- Carlos Alberto (20), Shesternyov (14), Moore (17), Cooper (20) -- Beckenbauer (31), Gerson (27), Rivelino (29) -- Jairzinho (40), Müller (40), Pele (40) 2. World Cup's team (Agence France-Press, AFP) 4-3-3: Banks -- Carlos Alberto, Matosas, Moore, Cooper -- Clodoaldo, Beckenbauer, Gerson -- Jairzinho, Müller, Pele 3. World Cup's team (L’Équipe) 4-3-3: Banks -- Carlos Alberto, Matosas, Moore, Cooper -- Overath, Beckenbauer, Gerson -- Jairzinho, Müller, Pele Reserves: Mazurkiewicz, Albertosi; Burgnich, Facchetti; Mazzola, Clodoaldo, Rivelino, B. Charlton, Tostão, Cubillas, Domenghini, Evryuzhikhin 4. World Cup's team (Sport Belgrade) 4--3--3: Banks -- Carlos Alberto, Shesternyov, Moore, Cooper -- Beckenbauer, Gerson, Overath -- Jairzinho, Müller, Pele
These are the ideal XI's I have (thanks to noqai and others who have shared). Estos son los XI ideales que tengo (gracias a noqai y otros que han compartido).
And for the moment, to finish my contribution in this thread, the total of asterisks adding the two categories, which, I think, helps to understand which players were the best in the World Championship. Y de momento, para terminar mi contribución en este hilo, el total de asteriscos sumando las dos categorías, lo cual, creo, viene a ayudar a entender qué jugadores fueron los mejores en el Campeonato Mundial.
I have made some improvements to the World Championship ratings, adding the SofaScore ratings to the ones we already had from As and France Football. However, I have had to down-weight the SofaScore ratings so as not to skew the overall averages. Another improvement I have made is to remove from the tables all those players who played less than 3 games, leaving two columns, one for those who played more than 3 games and another one for those who played 3 games. In this table you can see the global average, whose last ratings have favored some and harmed others, but not in a too significant way. The ranges I take into account to give stars are: from 6.8 to 7.0 (*); from 7.01 to 7.20 (**); from 7.21 onwards (***), being possible that when the average exceeds 7.8 or 7.9, I give an extra star. For the players with only 3 games, I apply the same brackets, but subtracting one star in relation to the rest. He realizado algunas mejoras en los ratings del Campeonato del Mundo, añadiendo los ratings de Sofascore a los que ya teníamos de As y France Football. Sin embargo he tenido que ponderar a la baja las calificaciones de Sofascore para que no desvirtúe los promedios globales. Otra mejora que he realizado es, eliminar de las tablas a todos aquellos jugadores que se presentaron en menos de 3 partidos, dejando dos columnas, una para los que jugaron más de 3 partidos y otra para los de 3. En esta tabla que adjunto se puede ver el promedio global, cuyos últimos ratings ha favorecido a algunos y ha perjudicado a otros, pero no de una manera demasiado significativa. Los tramos que tengo en cuenta para dar estrellas son: de 6,8 a 7,0 (*); de 7,01 a 7,20 (**); de 7,21 en adelante (***), pudiendo darse el caso de que cuando el promedio supera 7,8 o 7,9, otorgo una estrella extra. Para los jugadores con solo 3 partidos, aplico los mismos tramos, pero restando una estrella en relación al resto.
This slightly changes the total star rating, adding those that were applied on the basis of points earned for presence in different ideal XI. Esto cambia ligeramente la clasificación total de estrellas, añadiendo las que se aplicaron en razón a los puntos conseguidos por presencia en diferentes XI ideales.
Tournament XI chosen by Frank McGhee of the Sunday Mirror: Banks - Vogts, Shesternev, Moore, Cooper - Gerson, Overath, Ball - Tostao, Muller, Pele. Substitutes: Defence: Ancheta Midfield: Beckenbauer or Mazzola Forward: Petras, Jairzinho or Gallardo
The reporters accredited for the IX Football World Cup don't sit idle in their free time either. Based on the group games so far, you have set up a world selection that looks like this in the 4-3-3 system:
This is what the World XI looks like! When any major sporting competition comes to an end, when it is important to know the best of the good, then reporters, statisticians and press agencies come into action and the best are determined. This is what happened after the final whistle of the World Cup had gone. The special correspondents of France Presse sounded out, studied and, as a result, made the following world selection:
Nice to see that they showed the average ratings as well as the total etoiles, and made a tournament XI based on both ways. Also more confirmation of reliable parity with what had been posted on Everyfourthyear.com (the France Football published average ratings are just rounded a little bit clearly, up or down to the nearest 0.05 - edit: or nearest 0.1 but going to two decimal places, showing the precise average, for cases that were exactly halfway between two options, I think it is actually....): https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/t...ce-in-wc-history.857945/page-27#post-32716739
If I'm not misjudging, the player to have won the World Cup and to have played at least 6 games, with the highest average is Thuram who has an average of 5.
Yes, I think that's right, as Pele (with 5.25), and Garrincha whose 1958 France Football average is level with Thuram's 1998 one, only played 4 games in 1958. Taking away the requirement to have won the World Cup: Fontaine and Rahn from 1958 also had an average of 5 stars per game with 6 games. For Euro 84 Jean Tigana (in the winning team) and Preben Elkjaer (out at the semi-finals) had an average of 5 stars awarded by FF too, but without playing as many games, I know, as an aside.
We also have the certainty that for Guerin Sportivo, the player with the highest average rating from 1986 to 2022 is Maradona with 8. Second and third place should go to Totò Schillaci 7.42 and Roberto Baggio 7.36.
Maradona from 1986 of course yeah, as you confirmed yourself: img20240428213136-jpg.259687 (859×1920) (bigsoccer.com) Schillaci's year is obvious, but I'd be interested to know which one for Baggio - maybe not 1994 considering this I'm guessing (although it's possible if Gazzetta's average for him was not much above 6 and maybe it's the kind of tournament by an individual which can bring some big variance in ratings, especially from 'home sources' perhaps (IIRC with La Repubblica he wasn't the Baggio with the highest ratings, as shown on the forum by another poster) - he was at that point playing for Juventus of Turin too, where Guerin Sportivo is based also I suppose - anyway you will tell me if it was in 1990 instead (when he was on the way to join Juventus in effect, who Schillaci played for too), or 1998 even, I'm sure: Football Ratings: Average ratings World Cup 1994. (football-ratings.blogspot.com)
Baggio 1994. He has a slightly disproportionate average due to the 10 taken against Nigeria and Bulgaria (if I remember correctly).
Thanks for the confirmation mate. Yeah, I guess Gazzetta could have been a bit overly-harsh for some of his early games on the other hand for example, and it ended that there was a big gap between their averages for his performances overall. What I know of English World Cup ratings is a bit limited, but I think The People's top average between 1966 and 1978 belonged to Bobby Moore (1966) and/or Pele (1970), among those with enough games to make the final listings (perhaps overall anyway too), depending on Pele's final grade vs Italy (he was on 8.2 before that game; Moore finished on 8.3, rounded, for 1966). Johan Neeskens was on 8.1 for 1974, with Cruyff on 8.0 (off topic of 1970, but the other players on their top-rated list at the end that also made it into a 22 player squad they picked for a reader's competition - pick an XI to win £100 - were in order of average rating Lato, Breitner, Pereira, Beckenbauer, Vogts, Gadocha, Deyna, Bransch, Maier, Van Hanegem, Gorgon and Edstrom, while Rep, Szarmach and Hellstrom made the list with an average of 7.1 the same as the last 3 I just named, and Harvey, Suurbier, Marinho, Oblak, Rivelino, Bremner, Muller and Jairzinho were on the shortlist of players available to pick in the competition). For 1978 Krol was on 7.85, followed by Fillol on 7.7, so the top averages were a bit behind those of the previous tournaments. The ratings of Match magazine were also on the high side (as with their top ratings in domestic English seasons, but I guess even more so due to the small tournaments and rating the best players in the world - of course Maradona's 1986 ratings from Guerin etc were around a point on average above his best domestic Serie A rating from 1984/85 too). Anyway they had Schillaci on 7.83 for 1990, and Zidane on 8.8 for 1998! Memories of Italia 90: Thirty Years Ago - The 1888 Letter The best players of the 1998 World Cup | Page 4 | BigSoccer Forum Their top Euros average ratings in that period being in between the Schillaci and Zidane numbers (note Van Basten had a relatively low grade as sub in one Euro 88 game which IIRC possibly was what put him behind Gullit in their averages in effect, while Zidane I guess didn't receive a low grade by default when sent off in 1998 like he did with some other sources including France Football IIRC) euro88matchratings-png.209553 (1843×400) (bigsoccer.com) https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/the-best-players-of-euro-92.2018223/page-3#post-40589849
This was the list for the People's 1970 World Cup ratings before the final anyway (I'm not whether sure they published the final grades):