Best player ever excluding Pele and Maradonna

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by miko, Jun 19, 2003.

  1. miko

    miko New Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    Ireland
    Vote for who you think is the best player ever excluding Pele and Maradonna.
     
  2. miko

    miko New Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    Ireland
    I voted for Johan Cruyff, with Franz Beckenbauer a close second. There was a lot of other players I wanted to include,(Roberto Baggio,Franco Baresi,Zbignew Boniek,Garrincha,Jarzinho,Jurgen Klinsmann,Paolo Maldini,Gerd Muller,Ronald Koeman,Hristo Stoichkov,Lev Yashin and Zinedine Zidane.)but couldn't. Oh $%&*! I just remembred George Weah!
     
  3. Fender playa

    Fender playa New Member

    Mar 18, 2002
    Vancouver/Canada
    to me it has to be without a doubt eusebio, not because im portugeuse, but because of what he did...when he did it, and how he did it...i mean at the world cup in 1966, of the tapes of portugal versus england..he was a machine even wiht england hacking at r players legs, breaking the leg of r second besr player...fouling non stop...he still played unbelievable..
     
  4. MadridForever

    MadridForever Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 29, 2001
    Madrid, Spain
    The best players ever are Alfredo Di Stefano, Pele and Maradona. Therefore my vote is for Di Stefano.


    The best player of the last 15 years (Since i have memories), Zinedine Zidane follow by Marco Van Basten.
     
  5. White Shark

    White Shark Red Card

    Mar 20, 2003
    Johan Cruyff!!
    And then, D´Stefano
     
  6. Ricky_DCU

    Ricky_DCU New Member

    Feb 1, 2001
    Somerville, MA
    I voted for beckenbauer because while i think one could make arguments for Cruyff, Platini, di Stefano, and Eusebio as well, Beckenbaeur has the combination of being one of the greatest ever players, and also being one of the greatest ever achievers in the game. The only other player on this list to win a World Cup was Charlton.
     
  7. Iason

    Iason Member

    Feb 7, 2003
    The Fort
    Alfredo Di Stefano
     
  8. MikeyPez

    MikeyPez New Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Jersey City NJ
    jeez how the hell do you keep track of all the players? I mean its th eworld's game, i have trounble with amer. football and baseball
     
  9. TruxHalapino

    TruxHalapino New Member

    Jun 19, 2002
    Probably Cruyff and Beckenbaeur were better than him, and I bet Eusebio and Di Stefano would whup his ass. But that was all before my time, havent seen enough games to form my own opinion.

    So, I vote Platini, excluding Maradona, finest player I've ever seen with my own eyes.
     
  10. guri

    guri Member+

    Apr 10, 2002
    Schiaffino
     
  11. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Ferenc Puskas.

    All time leading international goalscorer - 84 goals in 85 games for Hungary, 5 more games for Spain without scoring.

    Key player in the two greatest European club sides and captain of one of the best ever international sides.

    Has as many European Cup Final hat-tricks as all other players combined, and the only player to score four goals in one final.

    All this for a short fat guy who could only use one foot.
     
  12. Green Tabasco

    Green Tabasco New Member

    May 3, 2003
    I voted for Di Stefano. However one player did just as much and probably more than the players you listed. GARRINCHA. Pele himself said that he was the best footballer he has ever seen.
     
  13. Caspar0

    Caspar0 Member

    Jun 19, 2003
    Rivelino

    Jaw-dropping silky smooth moves. Left foot like a cannon. IMO the BEST player on the BEST team ever Brazil 1970

    --C
     
  14. condor11

    condor11 Moderator
    Staff Member

    Apr 2, 2002
    New Zealand
    garrincha definetly deserves to be on that lists

    the guy was brazil in 1962

    if he was on the poll id vote for him
     
  15. Matt Clark

    Matt Clark Member

    Dec 19, 1999
    Liverpool
    Club:
    Liverpool FC
  16. AFCA

    AFCA Member

    Jul 16, 2002
    X X X rated
    Club:
    AFC Ajax
    Nat'l Team:
    Iran
    Totally irrelevant point IMO. Football was a more attacking, more highscoring game in his time.
    Can't compare that to the football of later decades.
     
  17. Doctor Stamen

    Doctor Stamen New Member

    Nov 14, 2001
    In a bag with a cat.
    It's easy this: Jeff Agoos is by far the greatest football player ever, including Pele and Diego :).
     
  18. bocatuna

    bocatuna New Member

    Aug 8, 2002
    England
    Paul Stewert , then Itsvan Kozma.
     
  19. lanman

    lanman BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 30, 2002
    Not totally irrelevant - all the hat-tricks were scored between 1960 and 1969 and many truly great players did not even manage one during that period (Eusebio, Mazzola, Kocsis, Best, Charlton) and Di Stefano only hit one. Eusebio scored 3 goals in 4 appearances over tha period, Puskas 4 in one game.
    For Puskas to score 2 hat-tricks even then was a fantastic achievement, especially as he hit them aged 33 and 35.
     
  20. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I vote off the list for Zidaine.

    I base it on what he has won and how his team does when he is not playing.

    He has won the world cup, euro championship, champion's league, the domestic championship, the toyota cup ( world club championship) . He needs to move to brazil or argentina to try to win the copaliertadores.

    And we all saw how france did with him being hurt in world cup 2002.

    France is a completely different team with him and wiout him in the lineup.

    I would stack his skills and accomplishments against PELE and MARADONA. By the way , I am not french and in fact I don't like french people :), but I will give zidaine his props.
     
  21. Green Tabasco

    Green Tabasco New Member

    May 3, 2003
    It's a little too soon to say that vmax. Give it time though, I'm sure he'll be right up their with Platini.
     
  22. Green Tabasco

    Green Tabasco New Member

    May 3, 2003
    By the way, I can't believe Cruyff is leading this poll. Di Stefano should be leading.
     
  23. Mainer5

    Mainer5 Member

    Apr 12, 2001
    Topsham, Maine
    Cruyff was the class of the 70's behind Pele. He was part of the total soccer concept introduced by the Dutch and now is a staple of the best teams in the world.

    To watch him play was to watch someone who played to the top level always.
     
  24. vmax71

    vmax71 BigSoccer Supporter

    Apr 11, 2002
    high desert
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States




    I think he is already past Platini. Platini never won a world cup. But then in your defense, he probably would have if they would have held the world cup in france in 82 or 86.
     
  25. Green Tabasco

    Green Tabasco New Member

    May 3, 2003
    I agree he was awesome, in the top 10 for sure. But Di Stefano was a God, dude. He helped modernize the game, the game that Cruyff and the likes took to another level. He was a foundation of the sport. I'm not knocking Cruyff, but as an immortal player Di Stafano was probably better.
     

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