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Discussion in 'USA Men: News & Analysis' started by LuckofLichaj, Oct 19, 2018.

  1. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The IndividualEleven depth chart :)

    ------------------------------------Forwards-----
    -------------------------------------Midfield----
    --A.Robinson---------Brooks----------M.Robinson---------Dest---
    --Hollingshead-------Long-------------Miazga---------------Cannon----
    --Vines-----------------Ream-----------Zimmerman---------Yedlin---
    --Gloster---------------McKenzie------CCV-------------------Duncan
    --Gomez---------------Trusty-----------EPB-------------------Herrera
    --Foster-----------------------------------Otasowie-------------Araujo----
    --Sousa-----------------------------------Richards
     
  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    Empty Bucket was officialy banned after SFS protests.
     
  3. Excellency

    Excellency Member+

    LA Galaxy
    United States
    Nov 4, 2011
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    You have a lot more faith in Adams than his managers todate. Great player. But savvy managers know the difference between a great player and somebody who can accomplish what you are suggesting. Go to my lineup above

    the key to the above is Adams defending our left side so Pulisic can attack. That means smiley face has to move into the space Adams vacates or defend our left side if Adams presses. After all, Adams pressing or moving in to intercept a counter may be the best use of Adams. But who will cover him if he fails? Old smiley is key. That's the guy Berhalter never could figure out and why we don't make it out of group.
     
  4. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Pulisic and 10 others.

    I remember Bruce Arena saying Landon Donovan was our best forward, our best winger, our best #10, etc. He'd probably have been our best left back. The idea was to put Landon in his most impactful position and then build the team around him. [This was before Dempsey broke out.]

    The same is true right now with Pulisic. Put him in the position where he can make the most impact and build around that.
     
  5. dams

    dams Member+

    United States
    Dec 22, 2018
    Yes, and you get the feeling that GGG managing Puli is like handing the keys of a Lamborghini to your Grandmother.
     
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  6. rgli13

    rgli13 Member+

    Mar 23, 2005
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    well, the simplest solution is lets find out how puli handles that non-defensive 6 role...
     
  7. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    like everyone else, I am just observing from the outside. But he certainly seems like a leader to me in the back.
     
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  8. dspence2311

    dspence2311 Member+

    Oct 14, 2007
    Yes. It seems so obvious. Unfortunately, this kind of “I will make my mark” rigidity s common among young coaches in team sports tackling their first really big job.
     
  9. Pegasus

    Pegasus Member+

    Apr 20, 1999
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    OK, so I’m officially claiming Pulisic is better than Reyna right now. At the start of the season and especially when Reyna started getting Champions League minutes while Christian was out it appeared that maybe Reyna was quickly vaulting to the top of US players. After the restart though Pulisic has made a charge into territory no American player has ever been in while Reyna has come back to earth a bit. Now if in a year or two Reyna can also jump to that level then we will have an incredible team.

    * I will state I’m not knocking Reyna here who I think will be very good to great - just that Pulisic has gone to another level.
     
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  10. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I get what your saying and want to do. Just don’t thinks it’s best in the long run to build a team around a single player. What happens if he’s injured then. Build a team to take advantage of your players strengths and minimize their weakness. You do that and you’ll be ok.
     
  11. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Thing about Donovan is that he almost never got injured.
     
  12. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He didn’t which was awesome but that doesn’t help us now. I think it would a mistake trying build the team solely around Pulisic. We should build the team around a core group and play to their strengths.

    Pulisic, Wes, Gio, Adams and Dest. Play to their strengths and minimize their weaknesses. We do that and we could actually be decent.
     
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  13. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Gio is the one guy who, if he pans out, could be the talisman, upping the performance of the weaker guys in the team.
     
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  14. bsky22

    bsky22 Member+

    Dec 8, 2003
    Thing about Donovan fans is that they are almost always out of touch with reality and very annoying.
     
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  15. Eleven Bravo

    Eleven Bravo Member+

    Atlanta United
    United States
    Jul 3, 2004
    SC
    Club:
    Atlanta Silverbacks
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fair enough. I’m not married to the idea that he’s not a leader. But to just point out that he seems more the type that’s I want to just keep my mouth shut and do the job right. I freely admit I could be 100% wrong and he is very vocal on/off the pitch.
     
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  16. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    He got a calf strain or three iirc.
     
  17. FC Tallavana

    FC Tallavana Member+

    Jul 1, 2004
    La Quinta
    We throw around terms like "build" as though we are playing legos or something. You may build a club team, but you select a national team. No need to worry about whether or not he will be healthy in two years because it won't change what we do, which is select the best team available at the time.
     
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  18. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Tell that last part to Egg.
     
  19. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    I thought mental health or stress counts as an injury in today's world, something walkabout, qualifying, something.
     
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  20. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    What joy do you get from constantly criticizing Landon? He was like the first iPhone. It's not as good as what we have now but was a game changer in its day.
     
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  21. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He was out for less time than a strained hammy. Anybody who begrudges the guy that over his 4 world cup cycles is ridiculous.
     
  22. RefIADad

    RefIADad Member+

    United States
    Aug 18, 2017
    Des Moines, IA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I've always had much more respect for coaches who have been able to adjust to their circumstances and still be successful.

    Any coach can try to force feed his preferred system on a group. Good coaches are able to adjust their game plan based on the strengths of their team, what the opponents are giving them, etc.
     
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  23. y-lee-coyote

    y-lee-coyote Member+

    Dec 4, 2012
    Club:
    --other--
    Especially when coaching guys in a country setting. Where you can just go out and get such and such type player for some rigidly defined role.
     
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  24. Clint Eastwood

    Clint Eastwood Member+

    Dec 23, 2003
    Somerville, MA
    Club:
    FC Dallas
    No kidding. The guy is the USMNT's all-time goals AND assists leader after all.
    The abuse that guy gets is unbelieve. There was a period in the mid 2000s in which Donovan either scored or assisted on a shocking percentage of the USMNT goals. I forget the number, but its crazy. Maybe there's a younger generation of fans that doesn't understand the extent to which the USMNT was dependent of Landon Donovan being the "difference maker" every game.

    Anway, the point being is that right now Pulisic is FAR AND AWAY the best USMNT-eligible player. Put him in a position to be the most impactful and build around that. He's probably our best forward, winger, and #10. Sargent is our starting forward, and he's only scored 4 goals this season for a relegation-threatened Bundesliga team. Reyna has 1 career goal and 2 career assists. I like Reyna too, but he really hasn't accomplished anything yet.

    This isn't rocket science. Its the same that Portugal does with Cristiano Ronaldo.

    That doesn't mean we don't have a Plan B or Plan C. Pulisic hasn't exactly been a beacon of health in his career.
     
  25. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Nicely said.

    Donovan is a lightning rod because he kind of sums up all the insecurity of American soccer. He never excelled in Europe but played well mostly for the USMNT. It was during the last peak of the USMNT doing well.

    I enjoyed him as a player. I think the push back from people is because of the relentless push forward by many fans. American soccer fans can be pretty insecure, but MLS fans are a special breed of insecure. Donavan was the poster boy for American soccer and MLS. Many players in the generation following him followed his example and just played in MLS.

    It is interesting how the best player sets the tone for the whole generation. Pulisic is drawing players away from MLS; which gives more impetus for certain segments to be defensive of Donovan's legacy.

    But you are right, this isn't rocket science and nobody has to choose. Further, comparing a whole career to what a 21 yo has done is also silly.

    GKs aside...Dempsey had the impact of Pulisic, but at a club that dreamed of sneaking into a Europa League spot. Donovan was bought by a club with Chelsea's aspirations, but did not succeed there. Pulisic is basically having the impact Dempsey had, at a level Dempsey never attempted and Donavan failed at (Spurs were not the Spurs they became under Poch when Dempsey did ok there).

    I can't even think of any of American that has played well for a club like Dortmund, much less Chelsea. Adams and Reyna are the closest. I'm not familiar with Jones at Schalke, but I don't think Schalke was ever at the level of aspirations and pressure that Chelsea have been at in the last decade.
     

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