Best 11 Right Now

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  1. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If he was on a mid table BL team and scoring and contributing at a high level we’d all be very happy but that wouldn’t change the fact that most of his numbers have been against sub part international competition. Similar to Jozy. Morris def been one of our more productive players. Sadly not saying much but true. That doesn’t change that we’re playing a 4-3-3 and our two most talented wingers are Pulisic and Gio. Morris won’t be used as 9 by 3G and we won’t move to a 4-2-3-1. Gio isn’t going to be played as CM in a 3 and Pulisic is miscast there too. That means Morris to the bench.
     
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  2. butters59

    butters59 Member+

    Feb 22, 2013
    I'd definitely put Morris in the starting line up ahead of Sargent, Zardes, Yuevill, Lletget and even McKennie, I doubt that 17 yo Reyna is 90 minutes player. I don't care which league who is playing, Donovan, Pope, Mastroyeni spent their careers in MLS and didn't get worse because of that. If GB isn't able to put his best players on the field he is just a lousy coach. What may be the cause of course.
     
  3. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I wouldn’t start him over Wes. Wes brings something to this team we desperately need. Either way. It won’t ever be about those two. This is about Morris and our system. He’s got two positions he can play according to Greg. LW or RW. He isn’t beating out Pulisic and at this rate he won’t be beating out Gio either.
     
  4. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    The thread topic is 'Best 11 right now', 'not 'Coaching Philosophies' . Morris is likely the best forward, right now. Maybe Pepi and Soto come move into the conversation later in the year.
     
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  5. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Morris prob is the best Striker we have right now. Jozy isn’t 90 minutes and just flashes now, the kids aren’t there yet and Zardes is trash. As for the thread... it has long been debated about whether it’s Best 11 for Greg, our Best 11 or a mix of who we think the Best 11 of who will be called in will be. It def varies from one poster to the next. Surprise.
     
  6. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I was just talking with someone who suggested we go Bunker Bob empty bucket...

    —————Sarge———Morris—————
    ——--Pulisic———————Gio————-
    ————Wes——————Adams———
    AR———-Brooks———Long———Dest
     
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  7. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Gio Reyna is not a winger.
     
  8. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He just plays one on TV
     
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  9. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    He's an attacking mid. The positions in the field are similar, but the functions are very different.
     
  10. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I think Gio should play in the center as he's the type of passer we severely lack there. But with an obvious solution handed to him on a platter, Berhalter will stick him on the wing and keep worrying about how to continue developing Yueill or hoping Bradley finds his legs again while working on more ways to get our defensive midfielder the ball in our own half.
     
  11. IndividualEleven

    Mar 16, 2006
    Most of any player's numbers are going to come against sub-whatever competition, especially in Concacaf.
     
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  12. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Can't underestimate the competition again, like they did in Couva.
     
  13. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    I'm depressed enough with the awful Floyd situation and CV19 and you're making it worse.
     
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  14. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Lots of reasons to be depressed about now, probably letting them all sink my attempts at optimism.
     
  15. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    Where are your attempts at optimism? I see you saying that we're sticking with a minor league regista (who isn't a top quartile player even in MLS) as our central distributor......
     
  16. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    Well, I'd been banking on the team evolving slowly and hoping our injured players come back and take their obvious spots and all goes well. Give Berhalter time to learn and surely he'll adjust and so forth. Maybe it really has just been the injuries keeping the team all misshapen. But, that quote threw it all out the window. Not to beat a dead horse, the part of the quote that just dropped my jaw was this..."there are so many ways we’ve figured to get the 6 the ball and we’ve done so much work in that area"

    As if this is something to accomplish? No team gives a shit about Bradley/Trapp/Yueill sitting 70 yards from the goal with the ball. Getting one of your mediocre passing 6s on the ball deep is one of the easiest tasks this team faces because no team even cares enough to prevent it. If anything, they want the 6s we trot out there on the ball so they can attack them with it and create turnovers with numbers up. That's the priority? It's honestly even dumber than I'd imagined.
     
  17. DHC1

    DHC1 Member+

    Jun 3, 2002
    NYC
    No team cares?!!!!

    they all care and want it to happen.
     
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  18. yurch10

    yurch10 Member+

    Feb 13, 2004
    Seems so many here, and in general, are constantly assuming Egg will "come around" to the generally accepted thinking here (ie. drop Bradley for good, start Adams at the 6, limit Zardes PT, figure out LB with robinson once healthy, allow our young GKs to serve as backups rather than Guzan), but I'm not sure this is happening. And as you and others have mentioned, these Athletic article quotes seem to show he's nearly ready to double down, and stick an average MLS player behind 2 of our best CMs who are defensively inclined, while benching either Morris or Reyna.

    At some point we need to take this guy for what he says, and believe it. He's not learning, he's not doing the obvious things/making the obvious selections our player pool dictates, but effectively demanding a player who is, maybe, in our top 35 overall, starts, and starts every game (whether this is amazingly bradley still, or Trapp, or Yeuill).
     
  19. nobody

    nobody Member+

    Jun 20, 2000
    I always liked Berhalter for his no nonsense approach when he played, but lets be honest, he's always been second rate. His playing career was mostly second division stuff, his coaching record in MLS is strictly average and when he got a job at a mediocre level in Europe he was run out in short order. I really should not expect better.
     
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  20. Suyuntuy

    Suyuntuy Member+

    Jul 16, 2007
    Vancouver, Canada
    Egg wasn't even first rate for MLS.

    Also, contrary to what people here pretend to believe, most of our players are quite second rate too. That's why we have all this talk of teens becoming awesome.
     
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  21. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I know Berhalter loves Dutchness, is he dyslexic?

    We must make sure their worst players get the ball the most. You’ll get it back in no time. - Cruyff
     
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  22. truefan420

    truefan420 Member+

    May 30, 2010
    oakland
    Club:
    Chelsea FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    He operates out of the winger role more than CAM as they don’t play with a traditional 10. Modern wingers do a little bit of both. He’s got skillsets for both. However, with how we play he’s a winger. He isn’t a CM in a 3 man mid with a 6 like bradley, Trapp or Yeuill
     
  23. Patrick167

    Patrick167 Member+

    Dortmund
    United States
    May 4, 2017
    Tata took one look at the US team and came up with the game plan, in the GC Final, to isolate Long with the ball. He let Long try and pass the ball wherever he wanted and Long failed all night.

    Long has the most minutes under Gregg and is basically inked into the starting 11 by everyone. You can't play the game Gregg wants to play with a weak link. If there is nobody else that can defend, then the game has to be changed. That might be happening.
     
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  24. 50/50 Ball

    50/50 Ball Member+

    Sep 6, 2006
    USA
    Nat'l Team:
    United States

    They are not second rate for our region. Our coaching lets down the talent.
     
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  25. sXeWesley

    sXeWesley Member+

    Jun 18, 2007
    Club:
    Portland Timbers
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    This is spot on, depressing, but spot on.

    People can point to the Canada, Jamaica, Mexico or whatever other terrible Berhalter game they want. The turning point for me on completely souring with GGG was the Curacao game. They are what GGG and his vaunted system are described as and they are doing it with vastly inferior players. Watching them ole our hapless players put paid to any sort of talent discrepancy argument.
     

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