Ok, I said, I could Jay but I am not. I point to what Davies and Charlie said with their own words. I said the reason the Marsh holds a grudge is that he believes if not for Berhalter's connections Berhalter would not have the job. Try and not do the big soccer thing where you want to dissect the fact I incorrectly mentioned Jay Berhalter and ignore the larger point that Marsh believes Berhalter's connections got him the job and not the fact that he was more qualified than Marsh. Ok? Also why wouldn't we take Marsh at his word, we have to take these coaches at their word cause that is when they speak or you have some other information on what they are saying.
No, you said that he lost out on the job to the little brother of the VP. You were either lying or mistaken. Now you’re trying to move the goal post instead of owning up and taking a little time to consider whether or not you let inaccurate information cloud your view of things. Marsch can believe whatever he wants. That doesn’t mean it’s a fact. You’ve gone from trying to pass verifiably incorrect information as fact to saying that Marsch is justified in repeatedly dumping on the federation to the press because of what he thinks happened.
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This is what I hate about big soccer. Apparently saying incorrectly doesn't mean what it use to. I literally said those words and you read past it. Then you don't want to take Marsh at his word when this whole thing was about his comments at a press conference. This whole debate started because Marsh seems very bitter at USA soccer and and I theorized why and then a tweet was produced.
Big soccer is a mess due to people blindly hating berhalter and USSF and looking for evidence to advance their own narrative. That’s what you’re doing. We all know that Marsch is upset at US Soccer. But he has a history of being petulant when things don’t go his way. PERHAPS U.S. soccer didn’t do anything wrong, and he is just doing what he often does, and all the talk of U.S. soccer screwing him over is baseless nonsense. Did you consider that possibility?
Ok now this makes sense. These were your words So you already hated on Marsh. So that is why his view of what happened to him has to be disregarded for the sake of your argument and how he doesn't know what happened behind the scenes. Though he has a better idea of his interviews and interactions than you. I responded with So where I was wrong was in the Jay part. If I had said lose out to a guy well connected. Would we still be down this road? Probably because you seem hellbent on not taking Marsh on his word cause he is upset.
What point is it you’re arguing? Your posting style is confusing. Anything is possible but there’s little chance Marsch is just throwing out baseless nonsense, so the suggestion people should be considering it as likely? is weird.
He thinks Marsh is wrong for publicly saying USA soccer sucks and we can't take Marsh view of what happened cause Marsh doesn't know for sure. The two are connected in a dislike of Marsh.
Why would any presume to know better than Marsch. He was in the room. I am not a fan of his coaching but if the argument is I don’t like him so I don’t believe what he said, that is the weakest argument one can make. Marsch handled his Leeds firing well so it’s not like we don’t have a benchmark for how he handles things.
My argument is more than his resume is slightly similar maybe slightly better. Gregg has an MLS Cup, but Jesse won in Austria and has 2 supporters shields. He flamed out in Leipzig and Leeds but Gregg has no success in Europe to hang his hat on. So his attitude at the press conference after Gregg getting fired is him tell US soccer to go f themselves.
That is most definitely not why big soccer is a mess. "Perhaps US soccer didnt do anything wrong" HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I listen to that podcast I decent amount but not religiously, so I could have missed it, but I don't remember Charlie saying anything so explicit. Does anyone have the actual Charlie Davies quote? Twitter tends to extrapolate.
Meh if Marsch wants to burn bridges. It’s cool he got those top league opportunities but he didn’t last long in either. Berhalter or ‘dolo or any other number of American coaches are on a similar level even if they didn’t get to look the Euro part for a few months.
It is pretty simple. For what ever reason Jesse was offered the job and it was yanked out from under him. Wes' friend '29' told us that Jesse was going to be the coach and then he wasn't and everyone just said '29' was shooting his mouth off. Jesse was going to get the job and it was made clear to at least Wes that he had it.
Marsch was not exactly in the room when US Soccer was making its internal deliberations. We also have credible sources that it’s not the board who overrruled Crocker, it was the players pushing for Berhalter that shifted things. What Marsch is upset about is he thought the job was his only for US Soccer to reverse course at the last minute.
There’s a little bit of the lady doth protest too much, methinks going on with Marsch and the USMNT job given the comments he’s continued to make over the last year.
I have no doubt that Jesse thought he was getting the job. But what Charlie said is important. If you've ever been up for a promotion, lots of people think they have it. Whether or not you have a right to be pissed has a lot to do with who communicated and what was said. Lots of people make assumptions. 29 is irrelevant. Dude had some inside info from Wes but also clearly made a bunch of shit up over the years as he's a total clout chaser. I'm simply curious what Charlie exactly said because there's a big difference between what Marsch said -- he wasn't treated well was a explicit as it got -- and what it was claimed Charlie said. But there's a pretty consistent history of people claiming more than what was actually said. And given Marsch's complete lack of composure on this, if he was explicitly offered the job, one think he would have said that instead of being vague.
Yeah we are all just kind of assuming that things went as Marsch is indicating, and constantly excusing him acting this way because of it. A lot of parallels to the Reyna situation and how people acted how it was okay for Reyna to cause a big distraction at the world cup just because he didn’t get the playing time he wanted, and assuming that Reyna had nothing to do with his parents’ scheme to ruin Berhalter’s career. If marsch is really so happy and content with Canada, he wouldn’t feel the need to remind everyone about it at every opportunity.
You missed the point. Jesse had the job enough to begin communicating with players and letting them know. Wes was on Jesse's contact list because of him bringing Wes to Leeds. If I am being hired as a manager for a big corporation and I wanted to bring some of my people in when and only when I had those assurances I will begin contacting them. I would not want to embarrass myself amongst people I felt I was a mentor to.
I don't even care how it went. How Marsch feels is how Marsch feels. The inability to control his bitterness in public; the inability to not look like he still desperately wants the US job when he's coaching Canada; the inability not to make constant passive-aggressive remarks for over a year ... like dude, grow up. How we feel is how we feel. How we act is a choice. He's on tv or in an interview. It takes fives seconds of basic willpower to say, "I'm the coach of Canada now and we've got an exciting team" and sound like he means it. He can go home and be bitter. I am not overly shocked in this day and age that a whole group of people are totally fine with someone acting like a baby as long as they agree. I can get it with Reyna -- dude was 20 years old and let's face it, no one has ever helped him to grow up -- but Marsch is a grown ass adult who has presumably done the job thing for a while. I get everyone in sports tend to be man-children, but Marsch isn't good enough to be this entitled. Indeed.
Fwiw I've seen a decent amount of people say that Jesse was told he was likely gonna be offered the job to the point he had his intro speech ready. However it's not the USSF that overruled the decision. The popular story is when Crocker met with the players the players flat out rejected Jesse and supported Gregg so the decision was made in fear of a player mutiny
The USSF should put out a statement that it is not in the business of stealing national team coaches from other countries and that Marsch's statement that he is not interested in the U.S. job was unnecessary because it is all a moot point anyway.
Except that you are using a strawman. Even in the jurisdictions that accept that, it is only actionable if one uses unlawful or wrongful means to do so. The story that the Reyna's told about Berhalter was a TRUE story. So, it is clearly not unlawful or wrongful for someone to relate an actual fact. We know it's a fact because he admitted it. Therefore, even under this theory, it would never survive a motion to dismiss. And, of course, you have failed to address the elephant in the room, which is what organization makes its most important hire based on the idea that SOMEONE ELSE may get sued? That just sounds like an attorney scared to do his/her job. As you said, let it go. You are simply wrong on the law here. Berhalter was not rehired because of some fear of lawsuit. USSF did it because they always planned to do it anyway, and the players wanted it.