BENFICA vs REAL MADRID | Champions League Playoff 1st Leg | 17.02.26 | 21:00 CET

I always have mad respect for Titi. The only pundit who I respect other than Sid Lowe.

 

I’m not talking about Benfica.

I’m talking about your selective reasoning. You are against racism; why? Because it paints every individual of a group negatively. It generalizes in a negative way. That’s why you don’t like it, I would assume. So to then state that Argentinians have in their DNA to act that way is literally applying the same reasoning racists do.

 

So you agree with the statement that Argentinians are racist? Why is that OK to say?

 

Yep. The classic "I have [token] black friends, so I cant be racist" defense by people. It was funny to see Prestianni go straight to closest black teammate he could find to try and make it seem like he's less racist.

 

Okay I take back the DNA part. Culturally they're dick heads. Is that better?

 

Two more things:

Prestiani (or whatever that Nazi turd's name is) knew what he was doing when he was covering his mouth. If he was legit saying something that would get him kicked out, he could always deny it because he knows he can avoid the lip readers and get away scot free. That's exactly what happened. If he was saying "hermano" instead of "mano", would he really have to hide what he said? We aren't that naiive and fortunately others aren't either. Benfica, their classless fans and their jerk players can buzz off.

Second, Mourinho is expected to defend his player. I have no doubt he probably knows what legitimately happened because the other players in the team can vouch for or denounce the nazi. But it is truly RICH to hear Mourinho of all people denouncing Vini's right to celebrate his goal. Saying it was "inciting the fans". Bro is the King with a capital K of trolling opposing fans and celebrating in front of them..who is he to lecture anyone? Hypocrite.

I really hope Real Madrid doesn't consider going back for Mourinho ever again.

 

I'm sorry. He defended his fanbase. Is that wholly unfair? Is it wholly unfair that it is characterized as being of lowly character? I would think that not painting a whole group of people - which is diverse FYI - is not a good move. He said Benfica as an institution and fanbase isn't racist - that they glorify their best player - one of African descent. He is not saying: "Player X is not racist because he has black teammates or a black friend or plays for a non-racist club" so miss me with the lack of nuance.
On the working assumption that P did not say something racist - which may (unfortunately) even hold up in court in a he said/she said standoff - the comments are not illogical at all.

So what he thought Vini's dance was provocative? It was. Are we going to quibble over this? Mourinho running during the sprinklers isn't provocative? It was. What exactly is the point here? From the perspective of a Benfica fan / official that outright denies that racism occurred - it is not outrageous to think that the dance can be perceived as disrespectful. And yes - Griezmann's dance especially in the WC final was disrespectful - so I am not sure what the point that you're making here.

It's unfortunate that this narrative has gone back to good old witch-hunting and Jose-englishmedia-bashing when the focus should be on making sure a real and proper investigation is put in place, that protocols are improved, and that P never sees a football pitch again.

 

He knows what happened but the player maliciously covered his mouth? Does he have a secret recording? Does innocent until proven guilty not exist? The scumbag denies what he said - is Mourinho supposed to judge him as guilty in front of the world based on the word of players on another team? Is that justice? Give me a break.

 

Or you can demand changes to the laws. More protection from racism. Any player being a POS accused of racism no longer gets to cover their mouth if they wanna see the pitch again. Or mic his ass up like we already do for referees/athletes in many sports. The dude should be on thin ice, but all we're getting is a buncha whiners who are upset Vini danced at their corner flag, trying to protect their scumbag player and hitting him with projectiles. Yeah. Blame the victim. That's how it gets better...

I hope this fires up the players to serve Benfica and their fans a dose of humble pie in the Bernabeu. Best reaction is to eliminate them in devastating fashion.

 

The racist incidents are objectively on tape. You are making an incorrect analogy because P is not objectively saying something racist as a matter of fact beyond reasonable doubt. You and I know. You and I agree. The majority of the footballing world has pronounced judgment. But common sense isn't justice, and the rat covered his mouth. P on paper is innocent until proven guilty, and in the locker room, he has plausible deniability, which was always going to end up with him being defended.
So the coach - any coach - coming out and saying the fanbase / the club isn't racist isn't some outrageous response on a working assumption that P is innocent. Criticizing an opponent for celebrating and provoking a fanbase (not justifying receiving a racist insult from a player) isn't some outrageous thing to say.
I do however think Jose failed morally to address racism in his response appropriately. At the least - statement denouncing racism in football/life should have been made.

 

It's pretty obvious Jose Mourinho took that red card deliberately to avoid being in the opposing dugout. He was screaming "eff off" at the officials for a weak foul by Vini which he thought merited a yellow. When Jose got the yellow for mouthing off, he kept going to secure the red.

 

Benfica trying to gaslight the world that their player isn't a racist piece of garbage.

https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/d...3B9gPFVWUSZDRYnGKeWcRQmC9CR6Ts0B880OZpiE6G7xb

"WE HAD EUSEBIO, SO WE ARENT RACIST".

Yeah ok.

 

We all think P said what he said. But what we think happened - is not justice. Rendering justice without a proper investigation and set of facts is slippery slope that is the antithesis of justice. Bad guys get away with crime in order to prevent innocents being convicted unfairly. Such is life and society is better for it. There's a reason P wasn't thrown off the pitch immediately - and that's because the ref had no objective way of determining the truth. So in this case, blaming Benfica staff for not destroying their player - who denies the allegations - is a bad-faith witchhunt. Mob justice isn't the answer and somehow piling on Mourinho is distracting from the fundamental issues.

 

Just demolish Benfica in the next game. Throw em out of their last relevant competition and let's see wth they have left to play for. They're losing their league pretty convincingly anyways.

 

The racist argentinian player has seen that people like John Terry and Luis Suarez have said racist things and barely paid any price. They will keep doing this until officials start cancelling matches for trash fan behaviour and we ban players covering their mouths who get accused of such behavior.

 

oh, fk off

 

Shut the hell up - who are you to talk to me like that?

 

CL and La Liga are a joke when it comes to punishing racism. PL banned Suarez for 8 games. Terry got 4 match ban. Prestianni will probably get away like Busquests did in 2011.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/16186556

https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/19723020

 

I’m genuinely curious as to how you believe punishment should be handed out here. Do you not realize how insane it is to punish someone with zero proof? What’s to then stop someone from maliciously using that avenue in the future?

“So and so’s best player called me a racist term, I swear”.

”Well you’re the victim here so we believe you by default and that player is now suspended for the second leg”.

Literal chaos you are promoting.

 

the combination of Vini’s testament, teammates support and the gesture to cover his mouth, in my mind, proves beyond reasonable doubt that he directed racist comments towards Vini.
He should be banned for a number of games, fined and instructed to issue a public apology.

 

Yes it's a literally he said she said.
Vini / Mbappe vs P
In a court of law, V/M could be lying or could have misheard.
You're advocating for mob justice.
Again, I hate having to discuss such obvious concepts as racism outright digusts me on a personal level and have suffered from it personally. I do believe P was being racist.
You do not know this beyond a shadow of doubt.