Alot of people get this one confuse? I think somewhere along the long people know there anti-semetic and say anti-israel things and never realy understand whats the difference? For a good cause, there was alot of anti-war protest! Of course, if you don't like Israel and don't agree with its policies than you have a right to voice your opinion and critizie! But when you voice and opinion which splurs racism it is very hard to not say that you are an anti-semite!!! I think there hasn't really been one voice that talks about brining both sides together and just blames one side!
I dont get what youre saying about the differences in anti-semetic and anti-Israel. But the main reason people tend two mix the two is because Israel has Judiasm rooted in its government. Much like Muslim countries do. Even the US has too much CHristian crap in goverment although here atleast people debate over it and call each other morons and call attention to themselves. In other places if you say something, you are viewed as being against that religion because the seperation of church and state isnt there. And there HAS been a side that says BOTH sides are wrong, they are called the USA.
Re: Re: Being Anti-Israrl and Being Anti-Semetic? I agree, but i guess i don'r make alot of sense here! I only got examples to show you!! But i think that some people draw the line on Israels right and Jewish right! For one thing, in France, why do Jewish people who have nothing to do with Israel be targeted for there religion? Its just like targeting Islam in the US after 9/11 or Making British Muslims a target due to non-stop ethnic violence!!! Like..having a Israel flag and taking the a start of david and placing it with a Swastica is Anti-Semetic, even though a 19 year old muslim youth calls is politically correct to do so!
Does denying Israel any "specialness" = Anti-Semetism? Israel, Palestine, and the conflict between them, is no more, and no less, important than any of the 36 other armed conflicts currently going on around the world... Does that make me Anti-Semetic?
Re: Does denying Israel any "specialness" = Anti-Semetism? Agree insofar as not nearly enough attention is given to the political ramifications of this conflict: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/boxing/news/2003/02/22/harding_undercard_ap/
http://www.gush-shalom.org/english/index.html A voice that spread hope around the whole world there has been. Yitzhak Rabin http://www.dadalos.org/int/Vorbilder/Vorbilder/rabin/zitate.htm Let me say to you, the Palestinians: We are destined to live together, on the same soil in the same land. We, the soldiers who have returned from battle stained with blood, we who have seen our relatives and friends killed before our eyes, we who have attended their funerals and cannot look into the eyes of their parents, we who have come from a land where parents bury their children, we who have fought against you, the Palestinians - we say to you today in a loud and clear voice: ENOUGH OF BLOOD AND TEARS. ENOUGH. http://www.knesset.gov.il/rabin/ebio.htm On November 4, 1995 Rabin was shot to death by a Jewish assassin, at the end of a mass demonstration in Kikar Malchei Yisrael in Tel Aviv in support of the peace process Likud and right wing israelian parties were performing an heavy hate-campaign against him. The hawks and the butchers in the 2 people were happy. Depressing...
Re: Re: Re: Being Anti-Israrl and Being Anti-Semetic? For the same reasons Hitler did. Has nothing to do with the country.
Guys like Falwell and Robertson are pro-Israel, but anti-Semitic. As Rabbi Hillel put it, you never can tell. Wait, that wasn't Rabbi Hillel, that was Chuck Berry.
Funny, but true!! These rabbis get alot of support from Muslim groups!! They think they are there arsenal in PR attacks against Israel!! The rabbis are symply hating israel because it is not religously based! If it was they would be the first!! But they go also, with the needs of Israel! They don't think the need for Israel is there, whereas most people think if want to find the Nirvana of Israel, you must build the temple! That is what the struggle in Internal Judaism is for! But yea, these rabbis see Israel as a un-religous state!!!
Actually its not, it's simply the reality of the diversity of Jewish opinion on Israel. These folks, apparently, are representative of that "fundamentalist" group of Jews that are against anyone other than the Messiah "bringing about" the state of Israel...so yes, there are lots of Jews who are against this particular manifestation of an Israeli state...
Themselves and some lackeys. Look up the Freddy's fire in Harlem and tell me why "Rev." Sharpton is still coddled by Democrats.
I knew. Just an example of someone against the existence of Israel but surely not antisemite. Not even "self hating" jews. I think most of the times it's just an easy way to shut others' mouths. Of course sadly there's still around some nazi or fascist who believes sh1t like zion protocols and so on. Here in Europe and in the USA. They are surely both antiisrael and antisemites. The episodes in France are above all due to the fact that there is a big muslim community there. Not that this makes them less stupid or less criminal. But you know if Israel was created taking a US state the problem of muslim antisemitisme would be almost inexistent.
First you have to create a chinese diaspora, wait 1800 years, then it could be done. Don't you think that muslim antisemitism is a problem mainly because of the Israel-Palestine conflict? Man, I would have given a part of Europe to create the new Israel. A laic homestate for the jews. I understand it after thousands of years of bloody persecutions. We europeans (and you americans who descend from christian europeans) did the worst ones not the muslims nor the palestinians.