beIN SPORT USA speculation thread

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  1. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    Oliver posted a piece on the New York Times soccer blog.

    It appears to have been very inaccurate.

    Said piece was yanked, with a note.

    Someone copies it over into one of the "Oliver Is Batshit Crazy" threads. Funny stuff. So the Post would be wise to avoid Oliver as a source.
     
  2. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
  3. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Awesome! :)



    :)
     
  4. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    :)
     
  5. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You are forgetting Fox Soccer Plus. ;)


    Probably not.


    Keep in mind: ESPN isn't obligated to "trade" rights that they already have and value to BeIn simply because Oliver is delusional about ESPN "fearing" The Good Sheik.


    Up from the valuation you just had of $300M to $450M a few days ago!

    Considering how spot on your evaluation of the UK rights were, we await your next trick with baited breath.
     
  6. stingbee30

    stingbee30 Member

    Mar 16, 2006
    ESPN will retain the EPL rights for the 2013-2016 window...For the first time, the first EPL match will be on ESPN vs ESPN2....ESPN is already pumping and hyping the EPL season with a 30-second spot airing on all of it's platforms...

    I had mentioned this before, and i will say it again-ESPN will push some of the EPL matches to the flagship channel vs ESPN2 going forward. The January-May window will be the ideal time for ESPN to show some EPL games on ESPN vs ESPN2...The ratings will continue to rise...The Euro 2012 trickle down effect will be felt this season on EPL. As for the 2013-2016 time-frame, ESPN will up their EPL coverage.

    A daily Soccer show will eventually find a home on ESPN2/ESPN before WC 2014. The Press Pass on ESPNews is just the start of the process. I'm convinced that beside EPL coverage on ESPN/ESPN2 (2013-2016 TV cycle), MLS will stay with ESPN/ESPN2. I think we will hear about a new TV contract for MLS by next year...
     
  7. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It won't put Fox Soccer out of business for good.

    You guys do realize that the new EPL deal will be for just 3 years? This isn't like ESPN and Fox's deals with the PAC and Big 12 that go into the next decade. In 3 years Fox can buy right back in.

    In addition, the NBC-MLS deal is a year into a 3 year deal which Fox can also buy into the next round. Granted, a lot of us don't give two shits about the MLS, but its viewership on NBC Sports is actually an interesting contrast to the EPL's average this past year... and those are Later Afternoon / PrimeTime viewers.

    In addition, Fox still has the Champions League and Europa League.

    They are committed to soccer due to those World Cup rights. Even if knocked out of this round, they can downsize Fox Soccer for a year or two before chasing the next sets of rights: MLS, Champions League, US National Team rights, EPL again in 3 years... several of which can lead into their 2018 World Cup coverage.
     
  8. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    ESPN will have no rights to license out those Auburn-Miss St games: they'll get rolled into the coming SEC Network(s). No way in hell those end up on BeIn.

    As far as ACC games, others have posted about the ACC's local sub-licensing under the new ESPN deal such as with Raycom. We've also mentioned that issues within the ACC where some schools aren't too happy about the deal, such as FSU. If those games end up on BeIn, the ACC will fracture. Ain't gonna happen.

    There are also quite a few articles out there where senior ESPN management is speaking very publicly on the record about their love of all of that content and how it fits into their ESPN Everywhere plans. They do not want to trade content away: they want to Hoard it.
     
  9. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    Probably best for you to slink away from the Agent talk before folks use The Google to find discussions about your agent work. Wouldn't help in keeping whatever marks you have left here buying the snake oil.
     
  10. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Yep... the EPL, at a time when interest in their league in the US is edging up a bit, wants to get in bed with these guys?
     
  11. huhe888

    huhe888 Red Card

    Oct 3, 2007
    Yes, because FOX Soccer may be crazy enough to spend 100% of subscriber fees on EPL alone.

    The sheik has to account for that and bid 120% of what FOX Soccer can collect in subscriber fees.

    Aggressive assumptions:

    1. FOX Soccer will average 45 million subscribers with EPL between August 2013 and May 2016

    2. FOX Soccer will be able to collect $0.30/subscriber/month, or $3.60/subscriber/year, or $10.80/subscriber over 3 years.

    45 million subs x $10.80/sub = $486 million.

    Granted, these are very aggressive assumptions, and I have not subtracted yet the rights fees for the UEFA Champions League, the FA Cup, or the UEFA Europa League in the calculation (I am guessing on the order of $60 million combined for all 3 products through 2015.)

    Subtracting $60 million from $486 million to get $426 million in leftover subscriber fees that FOX Soccer can spend on EPL.

    If Sheik Hamad Al-Thani were to bid 120% of that in order to be absolutely sure that he will blow FOX Soccer away, his bid for U.S. rights to EPL will be $511 million.

    --

    Will ESPN, Inc. be able to resist the lure of getting EPL for free in exchange for ESPN3.com-only inventory? Not in a million years.

    (Is FOX Sports desperate enough to propose the same trade to ESPN in order to keep EPL? Probably. That means ESPN, Inc. has to be drooling right now.)

    Furthermore, ESPN Inc. will have 7 ACC college football games each week during the conference season instead of 6. One extra ACC football game available as trade bait that is worth lat least 2 EPL matches in trade value.

    As for basketball games that don't fit on ESPN or ESPN2 (from the ACC, Big 12 and SEC), they are worth 1-for-1 in trade value vs the typical EPL match.
     
  12. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    He doesn't... except in your shower when you're working up a good lather with the Body Wash.



    And he's never going to have a deal with NBC.
     
  13. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    Okay... that might be the best yet. :)
     
  14. Cpt_K

    Cpt_K Member

    Jan 20, 2005
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    Manchester United FC
    But Tosh the Emir will just join hands with Turner, CBS or NBC and with his sphincter full of petro and Youssef's superior listening skills will drive the prices of everything that ESPN and Fox wants because the Emir has a hard on for bringing the Premier League to North America. Raycom and Bell Media be damned.
     
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  15. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    It's an absolute drop dead date... unlike the earlier drop dead dates... and please ignore the Mar-1-2013 drop dead date.
     
  16. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
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    Manchester United FC
    Hey... cool... I only posted that back on page 49 last month. Glad to be of service.
     
  17. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    They wont. It took GolTV years to build up those fees, and to get that clearance. No MSO is going to cut BeIn that kind of slack when they haven't proven they can deliver any buys.
     
  18. Cpt_K

    Cpt_K Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Oliver wants a J O B with these guys. Nothing more and nothing less. He was willing to fly himself back and forth to Miami and not get paid to have a face to face with Youssef who surprisingly can sleep with his eyes open which lends himself to be a good listener! :)

    If Oliver was working for ESPN, GOL TV, or FOX he would be banging their drum as hard. He see's this opportunity to get in on the ground floor of some Sheik's billion dollar boondoggle where the petro currency that flows from the Emir's ass will flood his bank account with cash.

    Brotherman has to eat!
     
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  19. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    As I said: BeIn isn't going to be getting $0.25-.30 per sub/household per month, nor get into 60M homes. They're not Fox Soccer, they don't have the Fox Empire behind them, they have no track record with the MSO's. Fox only got those bump up due to the might of the Empire behind them.

    In turn, because the MSO's are getting squeeze by all sorts of channels that have real eyeballs behind them, they will fight over every last penny they have to pay out to the scrub networks.

    Which is what BeIn is.
     
  20. Cpt_K

    Cpt_K Member

    Jan 20, 2005
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    Manchester United FC
    Who does the Emir, Youssef, and Antonio think they're Vince McMahon and his proposed WWE Network which still hasn't launched and likely won't till at least Mania the earliest? :p
     
  21. SirFozzie

    SirFozzie Moderator
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    Apr 17, 2001
    Franklin, MA
    That's three years without any soccer to show on a soccer network. It's crippling.
     
  22. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    ESPN will retain rights if it's cost effective. They won't overpay for it. It's just 1 game 7:30am / 4:30am PT a week for 38 weeks. In the big picture, it means very little to them relative to the Big Contracts.

    MLS contract expires in 2014. The current contract runs from 2012-2014 and was signed in Aug 2011. The next deal might not get inked until 2014 in the last year of the current on. Negotiations might come earlier, in 2013.

    But if it does come in 2013, and Fox has lost the EPL, who do you think will take an interest in the MLS as bridge content for their poor little soccer channel until the next EPL cycle? :)
     
  23. Cpt_K

    Cpt_K Member

    Jan 20, 2005
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    It is horrible but Fox could always pay the 1 dollar plus transmission fees for the Portuguese League, Turkish League, Dutch League, Israeli League, or Russian League just to eat hours while they regroup from a losing bid. It isn't ideal by any means but it is soccer on TV.
     
  24. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    You know what they say about aggressive assumptions...



    Easily. ESPN3 and their ESPN Everywhere plans are far more important to ESPN that the (to them) pissant EPL.


    Fox doesn't need to trade with ESPN. They have content.


    ESPN won't be able to "trade" ACC football to BeIn. Ask your senior management sources at ESPN about that one.

    Again, ESPN won't be trading with BeIn. This is just too many bong hits you're pulling.
     
  25. toshiaki

    toshiaki Member

    Mar 30, 2012
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    The Good Sheik might want to use some of those Petro Dollars to help Vince launch the WWE Network so that he can buy a WWE Content to have eyeballs on BeIn.
     

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