before you go out and buy the iPod nano

Discussion in 'Technology' started by metro24freak, Sep 26, 2005.

  1. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    Alright, now we're on the same page.
     
  2. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
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    Chicago1871, I should rep you just for getting AFL to read long posts. I'm in awe of your mad skillz.

    Sachin
     
  3. amerifolklegend

    amerifolklegend New Member

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    :D

    He broke them down into smaller sentence groups so I could take naps between reads.
     
  4. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    ThinkSecret, who routinely break Apple-related stories say there will not be a video iPod...at least not yet. Their point about an iTunes version for video being a holdup is a good one, and one I've mentioned before. I think that a comprehensive "store" program would prove very difficult to create, and is, more than likely, a long way off.
     
  5. prk166

    prk166 BigSoccer Supporter

    Aug 8, 2000
    Med City
    I agree on the video thing. I think the problem Apple faces is they have a lot of pressure to make sure the video on the player is legit. And then there's also the question of how important a portable video player is to people. For example, radio's king in the car. How large is the demand really going to be for portable video?




    Steve Jobs...

    *grumble*
    *grumble*
     
  6. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    Excellent point. Despite the fact that I love the idea of the Archos AV500 (DVR and PMP), I just can't justify getting one because I wouldn't use it. For that matter, I still can't justify getting an MP3 player right now for that same reason, and a couple others. However, there is a market for the product, it just isn't near as large as the MP3 player market.

    That being said, the future is a piece of technology that is a personal media player (PMP) rather than just a personal video player (PVP) or an MP3 player. Actually, throw all that together and add a palm pilot and bluetooth-enabled phone and you've got the future.

    Archos is pretty close to that with the PMA 400. I do believe that a similar technology is the future of the entire "Personal Player" trend. The growing popularity of tablet PCs combined with some of the above technology will come to fruition in the next couple years.
    Edit: I should add that I sound like a walking billboard for Archos, but I've been following their tech development lately so I'm up on the new products.
     
  7. Fleetwood Mac #1

    Fleetwood Mac #1 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Queens, NY
    Well, I agree that Archos is not trying to steal customers away from ipod and is happy with it's niche. I just think it's a gutless way to go. This is the best time for Archos to go head to head with ipod when they have much better technology, when they have perfected and simplified (I admit couple of their 'beta' versions were complicated) the tivo feature by adding a tv dock and remote control. I strongly feel that with heavy marketing they could steal a big chunk of the ipod crowd. Many people would know such a device exists, would try it out and find it much simpler to use than they thought. The 5 minutes it would take to learn the extra processes would seem well worth it, given how much more they would be getting for their bucks. I want it to happen because it would most likely lead to a price-drop and competition is often good for the customers. I'm not holding my breath though.
     
  8. amerifolklegend

    amerifolklegend New Member

    Jul 21, 1999
    Oakley, America
    Oh, I completely agree.

    But you can certainly see that whoever does manage to pull something like that off will have the huge advantage in selling their personal video machine.
     
  9. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
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    The person who figures out how to sell porn will make a kiling over an PVP.

    Sachin
     
  10. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    You're both right; but I think it would prove far easier to license porn than a major network television show. That said, technically, if you have porn on a computer, you can reformat it and put it on a PVP today.
     
  11. Fleetwood Mac #1

    Fleetwood Mac #1 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Queens, NY
  12. Fleetwood Mac #1

    Fleetwood Mac #1 New Member

    Mar 28, 2002
    Queens, NY
    I know no one has asked for this but let me do a comparison for fun (not to prove anything) and to kill some time. I'll take one model from each brand with the same amount of hard drive space (20 GB), costing the same amount of money ($300 at Newegg).


    Brand & Model:

    [​IMG]
    Arc - Archos Gmini 402 (silver)

    [​IMG]
    App - iPod MA079LL (white)

    Display:
    Arc - 2.2" LCD, 262,000 colors
    App - 2.0" LCD, 65,536 colors

    Dimensions:
    Arc - 4.17" x 2.37" x 0.69"
    App - 4.10" x 2.40" x 0.60"

    Weight:
    Arc - 5.64 oz
    App - 5.90 oz

    Battery Life:
    Arc - Up to 10 hours for music, 4 hours for video
    App - Up to 15 hours for music, 5 hours for photo slideshows with music

    Audio Playback Format:
    Arc - mp3 (30-320 kbps), WAV, WMA, WMA Protected, PlaysForSure Audio
    App - mp3 (16-320 kbps), WAV, AAC, AAC Protected, Apple Lossless, AIFF,
    Audible (formats 2,3,4)

    Audio Recording Format:
    Arc - Stereo sound in WAV (PCM & ADPCM format)
    App - * info not found at newegg or the official site

    Video Playback Format:
    Arc - MPEG-4 SP (compatible with DivX and Xvid 4.0), AVI, WMV-9 SP3, protected WM DRM, PlaysForSure Video.
    App - N/A

    Photo Format:
    Arc - JPEG, BMP
    App - JPEG, BMP, GIF, TIFF, PSD (Mac only), PNG

    Game Engine:
    Arc - Mophun Game Engine 5 (one game included, more can be purchased from Archos.com)
    App - N/A

    Ports:
    Arc - Stereo analog Line In (via adapter included). Earphones. Audio and Video line Out (TV output), Built-in microphone
    App - Dock connector; remote connector; stereo headphone jack; composite video and audio through headphone jack or line out on the iPod Dock, USB 2.0 and FireWire 400 (with optional cable) through dock connector

    Additional Features/Softwares:
    Arc - AutoSync with Windows Media Player 10
    App - iTunes for Mac and Windows
     
  13. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    Slate: The Apple Polishers
     
  14. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    Ok, this is pretty funny.

    The Apple iProduct

    [​IMG]

     
  15. Dante

    Dante Moderator
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    Nov 19, 1998
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    I don't know why he keeps referring to it as the V-iPod, it's just the iPod. There's no V or video anywhere in its name. Anywho, his stuff reminds me of Paul Thurrott.
     
  16. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
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    There is no shortage of Gates' unhappy minions critical of Apple's hardware and software superiority... I read about them frequently criticizing every new Apple software and hardware offering and media attention thereto, then being envious they have nothing to compete with Cupertino at any level... I see them all as hypocrites; Apple's 10% share is consistant and their criticality is convincing nobody that has depended and do depend on Apple platforms 27/7... the iPod's exclusivity should have revealed by now that perhaps the media have a right, indeed an obligation, to fawn over new high-technology state-of-the-art offerings from Jobs...
     
  17. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    First off, I'd just like to clarify that I am not anti-Apple. That said, I don't think the author of the Slate article is off base in his criticism. Apple makes a very good product, but make no mistake, the newest iPod isn't really anything to write home about. Sure it has video capabilities, but so do a dozen other prodcuts. Sure it has a slightly larger screen, but other products have even larger and clearer screens. The iPod's popularity is due, in large part to a fantastic marketing campaign. This is not taking away from the fact that, as was pointed out earlier in this thread, it does give the consumer what they want. The iPod was the cutting edge MP3 (or as they are called now PMP) player a year ago and two years ago, but other companies have caught up, and in some cases, passed Apple's technology.

    The iPod gets excessive media attention for the same reason that Tickle-Me Elmo and Furby got a lot of attention a couple years back. It is the hot product. My prediction is that when VH1 does a "Remember the 10s" in six years, the iPod will play a starring role. I don't think it will necessarily slip into a niche market the way Apple computers have, but I don't think it will be enjoying anything near the popularity it is today.
     
  18. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
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    DC United
    While marketing has paid a role in the success of the iPod, the real story here is that consumers have a legal way to consume music by the song. The iPod isn't even the best part of the whole service offering. iTunes is the real deal here. Users like me, who never were thrilled with file sharing and aren't going to spend the hours needed to digitize some 400 CDs finally have a way to get digital music and take it with them. And the best part is that I don't have to pay $18.99 for a CD with 3 good songs, 3 OK ones and 6 Bob Bradleys (sure they look good, but in the end, they just don't have it).

    Most people don't remember that when iTunes debuted, it had about 1000 songs. Now it has hundreds of thousands, if not more. The video service will be the same way.

    Now I know Real Rhapsody or whatever has the same deal as iTunes, but I still have to buy a player. With iPod/iTunes, I plunk down my $300 or whatever, and I get it all at once. No fuss, no muss.

    Sachin
     
  19. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    True. iTunes is still at the forefront (largely due to the popularity of the iPod) of legal file "sharing." I'm not sure how a video version of iTunes is going to work, there's a lot of issues with that and I'm not sure we'll see a comprehensive database for years to come.
     
  20. IntheNet

    IntheNet New Member

    Nov 5, 2002
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    On another Discussion Board, folks are talking about the inherent dangers of the new video iPod related to sharing porn via shared video downloads; if the video is swapped in the same manner as Podcasts, there will be abuse right away... something will have to be done before "Debbie Does Dallas" and far worse is being downloaded and played on an iPod near you!
     
  21. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
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  22. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    What kinds of issues?
     
  23. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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    One of the biggest ones being digital rights management.
     
  24. Chicago1871

    Chicago1871 Member

    Apr 21, 2001
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  25. dark knight

    dark knight Super Moderator
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    Dec 15, 1999
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    The first new electronic device in a long while where you'd rather use the knobs than the remote.
     

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