Becks to Madrid what do you think?

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by Dr. Boots, Jun 18, 2003.

  1. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Member+

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Well the worst kept secret in football for about the last 4 months has drawn to a close, Real nabbed Beckham after all the speculation and other clubs in the bidding (but did you really think he would end up any other place?).

    Now that Becks is all but contracted to Madrid there are tons of rumors and opinions on why he left, where he will fit in to the squad, how the transfer was handeled and even that he is the new Nakata who will rarley get a game but sell tons of hero shirts in the Far East.

    What does the Big Soccer community think of all the hoopla of the past few months and how it will end up?

    I feel that Becks was a treated a bit poorly by a club he has given all of his Pro and schoolbay life too except for the loan stint at Preston. It's one thing to not be wanted by your club anymore but it's another to go public with excepting a bid from a aspiring club President for your most beloved figure in the fans eyes while he is on holiday half away across the World. I respect Sir Alex's winning ways but he is very out of touch with modern day life and I have lost respect for him as a person because of the way he just loves all of his players untill they make a few mistakes in his eyes that they sometimes are responsible for (Dwight Yorke) or they can't control (Most of the things he hated about Beckham)

    As for his ability to bust in to the first 11 every week I feel that shouldn't be a problem for quite a few reasons. First he will have quite a few chances to impress because on sheer marketing value Becks will start games regardless of form for the first month or two.

    Second for all the flak he gets from arm chair fans he really is a World Class player, true he can't dazzle on the ball like Figo or Zidane while going through 6 defenders or score the bags of goals that come with Raul and Ronaldo up top but he has skills that few others can claim as well. He strikes the ball better than anyone on the planet and is among the most accuate passing and crossing midfilders alive, I think people get lost on him because he isn't as flashy with the ball as he is with his hair.

    Third I dont think Madrid would go the the expensive lengths they did if they had no clue how to use the player they just bought, they may have to place Becks in the middle or Figo may end up getting shipped off to Inter or even put on the bench who knows but I assure you Midrid didn't buy him with the only plan for his use to be expanding the Far Eastern market while he languishes on the bench.

    Oh and just food for thought how happy is Adidas now that their biggest star is at their biggest club and they dont have to worry about seeing him in a Nike kit anymore?
     
  2. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    This purchase was pure ego for Real Madrid and capitalism at it's most extreme. He's an investment to sell jerseys and flex their over-developed muscle. ManU win as well, since he's not worth (as a player, at least) anywhere near what they got for him.

    Two evils playing chess. That's all it is.
     
  3. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I think it's a stupid move by Beckham.

    It's clear that Madrid have bought him for marketing purposes rather than his footballing ability. I really can't see who he's going to force out of an already solid Madrid midfield. He's going to find himself on the bench a lot which in turn will back fire on Madrid as he's not going to sell many shirts that way.

    Barcelona may have been the better option.

    Better than that would have been Milan.
     
  4. TVENTURA

    TVENTURA New Member

    Apr 11, 2003
    they may have to place Becks in the middle or Figo may end up getting shipped off to Inter or even put on the bench who knows but I assure you Midrid didn't buy him with the only plan for his use to be expanding the Far Eastern market while he languishes on the bench.

    I personaly think that they will play Figo and Beckham in the wings and Zidane moves to the midle.....i have a feeling that the introduction of Beckham in the already strong Real midfield will cause some friction among the players, specially Figo and Gucci.....
     
  5. JeffS

    JeffS New Member

    Oct 15, 2001
    Cameron Park, CA
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    I think the move is great for Beckham, in a pure footballing sense. Beckham has done everything there is to do in the Premiership and he has mastered the English style (wide open, up and down action). So now he needs new challenges. Going to Spain (which is regarded by most as the strongest league), where there is a higher level of technical skill and a great deal more tactics, can only help Beckham's game if he succeeds.

    Beckham will get plenty of playing time, regardless of the circumstances. Real did not fork out $40 million for someone to languish on the bench. Plus, Beckham brings skills to the table that Real's other superstars don't (pinpoint crosses, passes, free kicks) and can only help stretch out opposing defenses and give even more great service to Raul and Ronaldo.

    The big concern is how Beckham fits in. Figo plays the same position and is generally regarded as the superior player. But Figo will either be sold, or he could play on the left (he regularily switches sides during the course of a match). Or Beckham will play in the middle. In any event, Beckham will play.
     
  6. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    A club with chaotic management and not playing in Champion's League? Not at this point in his career. And with Figo in decline, Beckham will get his opportunities.
    Better than Barcelona, certainly. Though I'd say that La Liga is better suited for an attacking player like Becks than Serie A.
     
  7. MarioKempes

    MarioKempes Member+

    Club Med
    Aug 3, 2000
    Proxima Centauri
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    The backline of Real is set with Casillas, Salgado, Hierro, Helguera, and Roberto Carlos. Cambiasso and Makelele are locks for defensive midfielders. Figo is a lock as a right attacking midfielder with Zidane in the center. With Ronaldo and Raul up front, it looks like Beckham will fight for time with Guti on the left and/or Figo on the right. It is a crowded midfield, but with the long season and Champions League, I'm sure there will be plenty of opportunities for Mr. Beckham to play.

    I think some people underestimate Beckham's abilities, as he was arguably the most dangerous (effective) player in the world a couple of years ago, and probably still is. I think his supposed falling out with Fergie lowered his playing level this past year.

    What is ManUre's loss is Real's gain, as Real, already the greatest and most exciting club IMHO, become even more dangerous and robust.

    I think what Real Madrid most needs, however, is cover for Makelele. As we saw against Juventus, without Makelele Real are lost in the back. He was the defensive thread that held the whole team together, as Carlos and Helguerra don't want to play defense, and Hierro is rapidly approaching his sell-by date.

    I attribute Real Madrid's demise in the semifinals to two things: (1) Makelele's absence, and (2) player fatigue. The top players just logged too many minutes this year, something Del Bosque is going to have to address next year. I think that is part of why Beckham is coming.
     
  8. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    Bad move for every parties involved....

    MU: Yes, they got money. They lost one of the core players. They cannot replace core players.

    Real madrid: They got a player whom they do not need. Now, perhaps their defense won't get any help.

    Beckham: They have to split time with Figo. We will see less of him and Figo this season.


    Figo can play both sides. He can move over to includ Beckham on the right. But it will put Figo on his weaker side....
     
  9. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    Tell me, when started the ban? its just this year buddy, not forever, what if Madrid falls out of favor of the powers to be and is left out of UCL in 04-05, 05-06 and 06-07, is he going to dump them?
     
  10. Excape Goat

    Excape Goat Member+

    Mar 18, 1999
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    I am taking this back....

    MU: They could get more money. Beckham is cheaper than Rio Federnard. And, yes, they lost one of the core players. They cannot replace core players.

    Real Madrid: On the playing field, Beckham would not be an impact, but he is still valuable. Plus, they got him for a good price. His appeal will expand their market into Japan, China and SE Asia. In the long run, Real Madrid will make more money. It is a good business investment.

    Beckham: Opportunity to prove that he is more than a pretty boy.
     
  11. skipshady

    skipshady New Member

    Apr 26, 2001
    Orchard St, NYC
    Wishful thinking from a Barça supporter. :D

    I'm sure Barcelona will be fine, but they're not the consitent performers in Champion's League that Real are. 1997 was the last time they missed the knock out stage. With the talent they have, they'll continue to perform well in CL.

    At 28 years old, Beckham couldn't take the risk that he wouldn't be in CL every year.
     
  12. miko

    miko New Member

    Jun 5, 2003
    Ireland
    Figo/Becks may become a bit like the Rui Costa/Rivaldo situation. I don't think it will be hard for Becks to break into the first team, but to stay there will be hard.
     
  13. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
    I think I got your point miko, Figo will be on the bench as Rivo was in Milan, right?
     
  14. Azabache

    Azabache Member

    Nov 22, 1998
    Essex Co.
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    In pure football terms, going to Madrid is a good move for Beckham. Money-wise it's a loser for him. Madrid is going to insist on a substantial cut of his considerable "image rights", which is where he makes most of his money. Zidane and Figo, both superlative players on the field, are nowhere near Beckham's class in marketing power, and Madrid has made better use of their names and images than their previous clubs did. With Beckham, regardless of what he does on the field, the initial financial reward would be staggering for Madrid and it will more than compensate for their investment. Beckham will be paid about 7M US for his services on the field and a pay cut of about 50% for his work off the pitch, whatever that sum may be. Imagine Michael Jordan giving the Bulls 50% of his earnings from advertising.
    All this leads me to conclude that in the long run the present policy of the R. Madrid brass to make playing for the club a priviledge for which the players will have to forgo off-pitch revenue, is a loser. If I were Freddy Adu I would steer very clear from any club that might want a cut from my ad work.
    Oh, and good luck to Mr. Beckham.
     
  15. White Shark

    White Shark Red Card

    Mar 20, 2003
    Now we get all the jealuos of these people because we have the best in our club!!!
    Going to Madrid is the best thing plastic boy could do, there plastic boy will have to learn playing spanish football besides Ronaldo, Raul, Zidane, Figo, R Carlos, he´s very happy for this, he knows he will learn and develop his career in the best club of the world. And we hope so, let´s see how Spice Boy became really a Galáctico.
    JEALOUS JEALOUS PEOPLE.
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  16. White Shark

    White Shark Red Card

    Mar 20, 2003
    White Spice now

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  17. Mario

    Mario New Member

    Mar 11, 2000
    San Salvador, El Sal
  18. 655321

    655321 New Member

    Jul 21, 2002
    The Mission, SF
    Whoever does the photoshopping for the magazine should be fired.
     
  19. angus_hooligan

    angus_hooligan New Member

    May 15, 2001
    Chicago
    I think that overall it will be great for the English National team. Becks is a great player and is a great student of the game. So now he is surrounded by a new group of players with different styles of play that he can learn and bring back to mother England.
     
  20. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    I really hope this move inspires some of our other players to take the chance abroad rather than languishing in the reserves of a big club or moving down a few divisions (you hear me Pennant? Cole?)

    The fact that our players are so insular is one of my pet hates.
     
  21. White Shark

    White Shark Red Card

    Mar 20, 2003
    And...? who cares about the photoshopping ¡¡¡!!! if it became reality??
     
  22. BadReligion

    BadReligion New Member

    Dec 26, 2002
    Washington, DC
    Because it looks really stupid.
     
  23. Auriaprottu

    Auriaprottu Member+

    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
    The back of the bus
    Club:
    Atlanta
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    I've wondered about this from time to time. I know England imports much more club talent than it exports, and I've always assumed it was because the country doesn't produce enough talent to satisfy the demand. But I've never heard anyone say that the players themselves were too insular to try their luck abroad. Perhaps it's a choice of earning more money at home on the bench, rather than earning less on a bench in Spain or Italy.
     
  24. Prenn

    Prenn Member

    Apr 14, 2000
    Ireland
    Club:
    Bolton Wanderers FC
    Nat'l Team:
    England
    Historically our exports tend to have a hard time adjusting to foreign lifestyles, that's how they're insular.

    If I were a reserve team player at a Premiership club I'd look at moving to a foreign first division league rather than the reserves of my club or a lower division even if it meant less money. There's a lot that can be learned from moving away from what you're used to.
     
  25. Dr. Boots

    Dr. Boots Member+

    Aug 15, 2002
    Club:
    Manchester United FC
    Both statements are very true.

    I think Liniker has really been one of the very few players to go away from England and still have a good go of it, while others were disasters like Rush and Gazza in Italy.

    To be fair I think Mecca whould get a steady starting 11 run at almost any other squad in the World than Madrid and even though he spends more time on the bench there than he would elsewhere the chance to be around such great players only serves to make him better and when he has played he has made pretty big contributions.

    Sorry to get off base there but the English abroad topic is one I like to talk about.
     

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