BBC Audio of U.S. v. Wales

"Non obvious" rascism is still all over the British airways when you listen or watch matches from there.
I have tapes of EPL matches where every time a black player does something well the announcer says something like "what great instinct that boy has" and then a white player does a similar nice play they will say "what an intellegent player he is".
It is rather obvious if you are listening for it.
Some of my tapes it's just really bad. When I say "every time" I mean it too.
It's not all the announcers but a lot of them.

Here's the link for the Wales audio btw:
http://www.socceraudio.com

 

Noticed that myself, but I recall other occasions that they used "boy" for white players as well. I think its probably the same as "Lad."

If you listen to the begining of the broadcast BBC Announcer Hazelwood refers to the Welsh players as "these boys here."

 

2+2 = 7

There's not a history of calling black people 'boy' over here so it'd be a bit stupid to suggest that racism was the blame.

Mark424 is right, it's akin to saying 'lad'.

It's often used for younger players or by very old managers, usually Scots. Think "The boy done good!" in post match interviews.

What country was the commentator from?

 

They sounded Welsh to me. I would be amazingly suprised if there was anything racist implied there at all.... The term boy is used for everyone... (that is male)

Prenn is spot on with what he said.

I just think you guys are looking too much into something that isn't there...

 

To back up our English friends' interpretation, check out the Out of our Depth thread just above this one.

Superlimey starts out: "Last night really brought home to me how far the boys and the game has come in this country.
Last night we fielded a friggin 'C' team - and to top it off ,we won!!!..."

Now, either Superlimey is from England (which reinforces the point that 'boy' and 'lad' have a similar meaning) or he is a native born American who is using the term similarly.

 

Last time I checked I was English!
If you live in the States you've got to get used to the ultra-sensitive PC crap that is part of everyday life here
The boys, the lads - the same!

 

"MSL"

(edited, because just as I hit the send button the following hapened...)

--after he was corrected by Agoos--

"MSL",

"MSL"

and finally...

"MSL"

(at least they said "The Goose")

 

Someone corrected them as they got it right later on in the broadcast.

 

... "in the SUNSHINE STATE of California"

(Chris Rock voice: Good LORD!)

 

Rubbish, boyo.

 

Not close to rubbish unfortunately.
There are several British announcers whom it's just part of their nature. It is OBVIOUS to anyone who is listening for it and recoqnizes it.

 

I guess superlimey was right.

 

I guess it's all in the eye of the beholder (or ear) as many are totally blind to subtle rascism and always will be. Beyond them. But I'm sure there are many players in England who get home and watch the tapes to whom it is also obvious.
And BTW: I'm not talking about PC (political correctness) but simply the obvious racial feelings of some announcers that is in their own personalities that simply shows every time they try to call a match. They would have to be concious of it for PC to come into play and they obviously are not as you are not.
I'm not refering to the "boys" thing mentioned in this thread, but to the stereotypical rascist descriptions given to players and their performances on the pitch which are those of someone who harbours rascist feelings under the surface. Television producers here are all very aware of it and the announcers I am referring to would get a good talking to after one match here.
There is some of it here too but not to the level I have heard in England.

 

Crap

I've heard it all now! There is absolutely nothing racist in calling anyone "boy". It might mean something else in your country but over here it's almost a term of endearment!

It amazes me that you listen to a foreign broadcast and have the nerve to complain about the terms used when you obiviously have no idea of the common terms and sayings used by the announcers.

Obiviously we have our racial problems over here the same as most countries but racists attitudes are certainly not allowed to be broadcast, (and especially on the BBC!).

Just because the word "boy" has racist overtones in your contry dosen't mean it has in other countries. I know you guys think you invented the English language and have sole rights over it but believe it or not other countries also use the language and just because you get upset about one word dosen't mean the rest of the english speaking world has to bow to the might America and agree with you!

 

Wolves, you've been told, stop reading something into nothing.

 

Re: Crap

Here it is racist. A white person aged 30 would call a black male aged 50 "boy" because, well, being black, be could never really be a man.

In the first and second grade, I went to an all-white school. (Students; we had black teachers.) Then they started busing kids from black neighborhoods to my local school. And the black kids would get really upset if you called them "boy." I never understood that, because a) my parents weren't racists and b) they weren't from the south. Not saying there were no northern racists, they just, apparently, didn't use the word "boy" like that. I was taught all of the other words I wasn't supposed to say.

It was years later that I understood what the problem was in one 8 year old calling another 8 year old "boy."

 

Re: Crap

Hey dumbass. Look at what he said in the post right before you!

 

See what I mean about ultra-sensitivity. Lexicographical (over) analysis is unfortunately a way of life for a lot of people here!

I guess Ray Hudson (Geordie, DC Utd. Manager) is racist by your definition as he often refers to his team as 'boys'.

 

Mind naming names or specific matches ?

 

Re: Re: Crap

Well, boyo, you'd have a point had wolves_67 not written earlier in the thread 'have tapes of EPL matches where every time a black player does something well the announcer says something like "what great instinct that boy has" and then a white player does a similar nice play they will say "what an intellegent player he is".'

 

I just listened to the entire broadcast and I don't think there was a hint of racism in the broadcast. They used the "boy's" term for brown and stewart, but also for Suarez, convey, lewis and agoos.

Also in the last 15 minutes of the game when they are talking about the effects of the result in wales, the announcer uses the term "the Wale's Boys", in describing their team.

I was more impressed that they thought Wales would win outright, yet recognised that the USA outplayed Wales throughout the match, unlike the excuses I have been reading on the Wales Boards.