Bayern Munich Transfer Update thread part 2

What source??? This is an "old" quote from a week ago or sooner. Interesting though...

... I think Ballack is using this all as leverage in his contract negotiations. (duh, eissman!) We will soon find out...

 

I read this on a forum....and I also read a couple of months back that Sir Alex is keen on getting Ballack so this could be true.

 

If he's available, a Ballack transfer to any major club in Europe could be true. Chelsea were "keen" on him too.......

 

Well.. I think Ballack would never go to a club unless he is 100% sure he would get a starting place, with Chelsea there are no guarentees considering their amazing Mid-Field while Man United need some one like Ballack so I think moving to Man U is more likely.

 

First, I have to say I think that was one superb posting Eissman!!

Now, would it be any fun if I didn't respond?! LOL!!

I honestly think the only true negotiations that are going on are what's being said in the press. I think Ballack is truly trying to decide if it's time for him to move on or not. I don't think he's "playing" Bayern or trying to posture for extra cash.

I think Ballack truly wants to have a "world-wide" legacy like that Zidane has and Ronaldinho is on his way to building.

To do that, he's going to have to step away from Bayern sometime soon.

Not trying to be "nasty" guys, but Bayern is not the pinnacle of Ballack's career. He's eventually going to do greater things at a bigger club.....

I think if Ballack doesn't sign or indicate he'll sign by mid-season, Bayern will sell him. The problem with that is, by then, Ballack will already be able to legally sign a pre-contract with anyone he wishes and leave Bayern after the season for nothing.

This is why I wouldn't be completely shocked if Bayern pulled the trigger on a deal before this current transfer period is over.........

This is all up to Ballack.

Right on. I agree with your opinion. Deisler would move back to central midfield and Bayern would just keep rolling along. But I wouldn't put it past Bayern to have an "under the table" agreement with Podolski now even though they deny it........

Right on. Definitely agree here too.

Hey! We joke like that on my list about CMetz and Sebastian Kehl all the time! LOL!!

I've also been telling others to look out for Rau this coming season too. I don't think he's just going to hang his head and quit........

Just like I told DF, we were thinking alike there. Scary, isn't it??

 

I don't think there's any guarantee he'd even go to England. I think Juventus, both big Milan clubs, Real and maybe even still Barca (If they want to include Deco in the deal) would all be in line for a shot at Ballack.

 

I think we have made a breakthrough! LOL!!
Good responses. It will be a very, very interesting season.
And yes... Ballack will ultimately need to leave Bayern to ever be truly considered World-Class if for no other reason than to prove it to himself. We all just don't ever want to see that day (similar to the day Michael Jordan left the Bulls, sort of... sniff, sniff).

 

so incase ballack leaves (sooner or later), who do you think we might get to replace him.

i know it's hardly to find another player CM who is well ballanced in defense and attack like him, so maybe bayern need to change its tactics. maybe 4-3-3

 

Van der vaart? I have always been a fan of him...

 

This is why I think Bayern wouldn't necessarily "buy" a replacement. I think they would move Deisler over and just keep trucking.

However, if they wind up selling Ballack sooner rather than later, don't be surprised if they buy an unhappy Andres D'Alessandro from Wolfsburg.

Strunz would be "stupid" enough to sell him to Bayern too. D'Alessandro isn't going to stay in Wolfsburg long.....

 

But can we really trust Diesler?

He's a great talent no doubt but he is inconcestant and he is injuiry prone.

 

No doubt Munich have the midfielders to fill in for Ballack, should he choose to leave for greener pastures, but who honestly can really truly "replace" him? None of them are the type of player Ballack is, so I agree that flexibility is the key... flexibility in players and coaches in finding the right formation and mixture of groups of players to recover from losing such a fierce midfield presence. That is the thing I like about Magath is he like that type of quality in a player... adaptability. We have plenty of that at FCB!

 

AMEN! Glad to hear Bavarians in here haven't lost their minds...lol. Ballack is amazing and I would do whatever to keep him in the Red + White of FCB.

 

ALERT, ALERT! DF is out of his mind from his meds.....I know Deisler is solid, but he NO Ballack.

 

Great post DF

There is only one Ballack, at Bayern we need him, but like just about everything else in the world he is replaceable. I do not want Bayern to get rid of him because of the increased play of Schweini and Deisler and the addition of Ismael Bayern is going to be even tougher to beat this term than last if that is possible. I personally just cant wait for Bayern to play games that count

 

What about trading Ballack to Arsenal for Viera, and sliding Karimi or Deisler into the AM position?

 

We would atleast put Schweinsteiger or Deisler in the attacking midfield position before Karimi, we would probably put Ze and possibly Hargreaves ahead of him too for that spot. Karimi is proven to an extent, I having nothing wrong with him but in two games where Bayern scores a combined 25 times an attacking player will score more than just once against lesser opponents.

Ich werde zurückkehren

 

Well Magath announced that he will play Karimi as AM, he really likes the player and I don’t blame him, considering he adds an element to the team that no other player in the Bundesliga, let alone Schweinsteiger, or Deisler can provide. I have watched all 3 players play extensively, and I would add that Schweinsteiger is definitely a future prospect, but as of now he lacks the discipline, and experience to be even close to ready to start for BM. Did you not watch him in the Confederation cup, did you see him foolishly, commit revolting fouls, which got him carded (luckily a yellow for him) and seriously injured the player making the entire Aussie team chase him down attempting to pound his face in. Later he went on to receive another foolish yellow and had to miss out on Germany’s most important game in the cup. Do you really think a player of this discipline this age and this experience should start in Bayern? I tend to believe that Magath knows what he is doing…

 

Well, obviously you haven't been following Schweinsteiger that extensively if you base his qualities exclusively on his performance in the Confederations Cup.

First of all, I thought he played very well at the Confed Cup. I don't recall him ever being "foolish" or committing "revolting fouls". His second yellow was mis-timed, yes, but not flagrant or revolting. He much harder defensively than most players his age, and his fitness allows him to play hard for 90 minutes.

He has been starting for Bayern when they needed him to for the whole season, and he has fought for a starting spot with proven internationals like Ze Roberto, Hargreaves, Brazzo, etc. for over a year now. He's definitely worthy of a starting spot at Bayern. Even with Bayern's unbelievably deep midfield, Schweini has stood out. Magath sent him down to the amateurs at the beginning of last season, but once Schweini came back up to the regular team, his consistently good performances kept him in or near the starting line for the rest of the season.

Karimi is an exciting player, but he is not going to displace anyone in the starting lineup too quickly. Magath has said that he has plans for Karimi, not that he is going to play Karimi as the attacking midfielder. Ballack currently has a lock on that position, with Demichelis a lot as the defensive midfielder, and the outside midfielder spots have Ze Roberto, Deisler, Schweini, Brazzo, and Hargreaves competing for a spot. Karimi will have a job displacing Scholl as the creative force coming off the bench.

It's far too early to be making judgements about where Karimi is going to play, and how early he will start. If there is an injury or two, he may be thrust into the lineup early. If the team is playing well without him, it might take longer. However, Magath has said he has plans for him, and he seems to possess all the talent to become a great player for FCB in the future. He just needs to bide his time and realize that it's not going to happen all at once. Karimi fans should heed the same advice.