Battle for Hardware / Crown for best of First 10 Years

Discussion in 'MLS: General' started by Eskandarian11, Feb 20, 2005.

  1. Eskandarian11

    Eskandarian11 New Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    Glendale, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    I wanted to organize all the hardware/cups/trophy MLS teams have won in major competions in the first 9 seasons. This will show the most successful teams of the first decade of MLS play and who stands above the rest in the inaugural decade soon to be completed.

    DC United
    4 MLS Cups - 1996, '97, '99, '04
    1 US Open Cup - 1996
    1 CONCACAF Champions Cup - 1998
    1 InterAmerican Cup - 1998

    7 Total Major Domestic & International Championships

    Chicago Fire
    1 MLS CUP - 1998
    3 US Open Cups - 1998, '00, '03

    4 Total Major Domestic Championships

    Los Angeles Galaxy
    1 MLS Cup - 2002
    1 US Open Cup - 2001
    1 CONCACAF Champions Cup - 2000

    3 Total Major Domestic & International Championships

    San Jose Earthquakes
    2 MLS Cups - 2001, '03

    2 Total Major Domestic Championships

    Kansas City Wizards
    1 MLS Cup - 2000
    1 US Open Cup - 2004

    2 Total Major Domestic Championships

    FC Dallas
    1 US Open Cup - 1997

    1 Major Domestic Championship

    Columbus Crew
    1 US Open Cup - 2002

    1 Major Domestic Championship

    Teams that have not won any MAJOR Championships
    MetroStars, NE Revolution, Colorado Rapids, CD Chivas USA, Real Salt Lake
     
  2. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
  3. bunge

    bunge BigSoccer Supporter

    Oct 24, 2000
    You're also forgetting the fact that the Fire haven't been around for 10 years yet.
     
  4. Eskandarian11

    Eskandarian11 New Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    Glendale, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    sorry guys, my time ran out before i could finish editing and completing the chart, can a mod please help out so i can complete it. Thanks
     
  5. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Since the Supporters Shield isn't a widely recognized trophy, it makes sense to omit it from the list.


    Go ahead and complete your chart; then we'll edit your original post to add the info to it.
     
  6. SoftTackle

    SoftTackle Member

    Jan 16, 2004
    Missoula, MT
    Club:
    FC Bayern München
    You forgot to include the numerous Don Garber Cup's(*) DC United has won.



    *In recognition for being MLS Front-Office darling
     
  7. iride_mybike

    iride_mybike Member+

    Mar 31, 2004
    DFW
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Los Angeles won the CONCACAF Champions Cup in 2001.
     
  8. Eskandarian11

    Eskandarian11 New Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    Glendale, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    FC Dallas
    1 US Open Cup - 1997

    Columbus Crew
    1 US Open Cup - 2002

    Teams that have not won any MAJOR Championships
    MetroStars, NE Revolution, Colorado Rapids, CD Chivas USA, Real Salt Lake

    I did not include the Supporters Shield(award given to best record in the league for a season) because that is more like an award and not a Championship, it is kind of like MVP Honors. And I also did not count La Manga Cup - 2004 won by MetroStars (not a major championship).

    Mods, please add these to the list as well as the Galaxy 2001 CONCACAF Champions Cup, thank you. Use my color scheme too lol, makes it look nice.
     
  9. NattyBo

    NattyBo Member+

    Apr 30, 2004
    Nunya
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--
    Bitter much?
     
  10. Foots

    Foots Member

    Jan 7, 2002
    Ellicott City, MD
    Club:
    DC United
    Why is it always the Burn fans who are pissed?

    Oh yeah.... nevermind.
     
  11. ThreeApples

    ThreeApples Member+

    Jul 28, 1999
    Smurf Village
    Club:
    San Jose Earthquakes
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    No trophy in MLS is widely recognized.
     
  12. Nico Limmat

    Nico Limmat Member+

    Oct 24, 1999
    Dubai, UAE
    Club:
    Grasshopper Club Zürich
    Nat'l Team:
    Switzerland
    While played in January of '01, it was the 2000 CONCACAF Champions Cup.
     
  13. Onionsack

    Onionsack BigSoccer Yellow Card

    Jul 21, 2003
    New York City
    Club:
    FC Girondins de Bordeaux
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    oooohhhh no you didant!!

    The La Manga Cup is covented by some of the best teams you've never heard of through out the world..and we won it. :eek:
     
  14. Rocket

    Rocket Member

    Aug 29, 1999
    Chicago
    Club:
    Everton FC
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Fixed it.
     
  15. churchill2000

    churchill2000 3x MLS Cup Champions

    Jul 12, 2004
    Monde Virtuel
    Club:
    Los Angeles Galaxy

    Agreed, I say you should count La Manga Cup.

    And as others posted the Supporters' Shield shouldn't be recognized.
     
  16. NattyBo

    NattyBo Member+

    Apr 30, 2004
    Nunya
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    --other--


    :confused:

    The La Manga cup, a preseason tournament should be counted over a domestic trophy that relates to real games?



    :confused:
     
  17. mcontento

    mcontento Member

    Jun 26, 2000
    Catalina Wine Mixer
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    If we counted the Japanese Comic Book Cup guess we should get the Capital Cup for wins over the Londoners then too. ;)
     
  18. Sachin

    Sachin New Member

    Jan 14, 2000
    La Norte
    Club:
    DC United
    And La Copa Banco Agricola for beating CD Aguila in 2002.

    Sachin
     
  19. Eskandarian11

    Eskandarian11 New Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    Glendale, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    Some interresting stats and numbers...

    Only 2 MLS teams have ever won a DOUBLE (both MLS Cup, and US Open Cup in the same season/or any Major International Club Competition)

    DC United - 1996(MLS & US Open Cup Champs)
    Chicago Fire - 1998(MLS & US Open Cup Champs)

    DC United is the only team to have won a DOUBLE on the International Stage
    (Winning both the CONCACAF Champions Cup and the InterAmerican Cup in one year - 1998) had they won any domestic Cup in 1998, it would have gave them the TREBLE(3 Major domestic/international Cup wins in the same season) which is yet to be accomplished by any MLS Team.

    Allthough it would take plenty of hard work and determination to be done, both DC United and KC Wizards have a chance at the TREBLE for the 2004 season.

    DC United already has MLS Cup 2004, could possibly win CONCACAF Champions Cup, and move on to win the World Club Championship completing the TREBLE and making history.

    KC Wizards are the winners of 2004 US Open Cup and could win the CONCACAF Champions Cup, and go on to win the World Club Championship thus completing the great TREBLE.

    While the TREBLE may be a bit tough to accomplish, I believe both MLS teams have a very good chance in at least winning the DOUBLE by just winning the CONCACAF Champions Cup, or the Copa Sudamerica.

    Good Luck to DC United and the KC Wizards.
    May both clubs, along with MLS make history this year.
     
  20. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    count the ********ing supporters shield

    it's not a ********ing mvp award... as it's not voted on... it's won by teams on the ********ing field

    and a domestic double has happened every year but '01 and '04
     
  21. jmeissen0

    jmeissen0 New Member

    Mar 31, 2001
    page 1078
    la manga counts even less than the atlantic cup, which counts less than the brimstone cup, which shouldn't be tracked for this purpose
     
  22. writered21

    writered21 Member+

    Jul 14, 2001
    Middle of the Road
    Club:
    DC United
    Nat'l Team:
    United States
    Dead on with both arguments.
     
  23. Knave

    Knave Member+

    May 25, 1999
    The Supporters Shield is quite clearly a major piece of domestic hardware. Not counting it is really pretty asinine.

    And - to be a bit of an a$$hole here - DC United's official website banner includes the line "Now winners of NINE major domestic and international championships."

    Here's the header:

    [​IMG]

    Let me explain to you how you get to NINE.

    4 MLS Cup 96, 97, 99, 04
    1 USOC 96
    1 CONCACAF Champions Cup 98
    1 InterAmerican Cup 98
    2 Supporters Shield 97, 99
    ----------------------
    9 Championships

    And if you're going to count the La Manga Cup then you'd better count the Copa De Los Andes won by DC United back in ... who the hell remembers. :rolleyes:
     
  24. StartaRevolution

    StartaRevolution New Member

    Jan 17, 2005
    Falmouth,MA
    What about the Supporters Shield? Are you counting that?
     
  25. Eskandarian11

    Eskandarian11 New Member

    Jan 11, 2005
    Glendale, CA
    Nat'l Team:
    Armenia
    Im not counting the Supporters Shield, dont care if the DC website does. It doesnt make much sense to me to count it.

    Since we do not have the Euro Table structure, there is no sense in giving so much credit to the number one record in the league when they may not even make it to the actual FINAL game of MLS Cup and win the Championship. Supporters Shield is nice for bragging rights, and shows you had the best record for a certain season, but when you dont have the CUP to show for that season, I could care less if you had the best record.

    When we get rid of playoffs, and go to Euro table structure, and at the end of the season, the number one team with best record is our Champion, then the Supporters Shield has value, not now.

    For MLS purposes, I believe the regular season is merely played as a fight to get into the playoffs to eventually move on and win the MLS Cup, it is not played to have the best regular season record and win a Supporters Shield.

    Cant imagine NBA making such a big deal about the best record in the NBA, it is merely a plus and the rights to being called the best of the regular season. A very big + and boost for the team but nothing compared to the team that actually wins the Finals.
     

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