Ballon d'Or awards revisited by BigSoccer users

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1981:
1: Zico
2: Maradona
3: Rummenigge

1982:
1: Zico
2: Rummenigge
3: Falcao

1983:
1: Platini
2: Falcao
3: Zico

1984:
1: Platini
2: Zico
3: Falcao

1985:
1: Maradona
2: Platini
3: Boniek

1986:
1: Maradona
2: Careca
3: Lineker

1987:
1: Maradona
2: Gullit
3: Futre

1988:
1: Maradona
2: Gullit
3: Van Basten

1989:
1: Maradona
2: Van Basten
3: Baresi

1990:
1: Matthaus
2: Maradona
3: Baresi

 

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1991:
1: Matthaus
2: Papin
3: Savicevic

1992:
1: Laudrup
2: Van Basten
3: Bergkamp

1993:
1: Baggio
2: Romario
3: Stoichkov

1994:
1: Romario
2: Stoichkov
3: Baggio

1995:
1: Litmanen
2: Sammer
3: Klinsmann

1996:
1: Sammer
2: Ronaldo
3: Shearer

1997:
1: Ronaldo
2: Zidane
3: Romario

1998:
1: Ronaldo
2: Zidane
3: Rivaldo

1999:
1: Rivaldo
2: Beckham
3: Batistuta

2000:
1: Zidane
2: Figo
3: Totti

2001:
1: Figo
2: Zidane
3: Raul

2002:
1: Ballack
2: Zidane
3: Carlos

2003:
1: Zidane
2: Henry
3: Maldini

2004:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Henry
3: Deco

2005:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Lampard
3: Adriano

2006:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Henry
3: Eto’o

2007:
1: Kaka
2: Cristiano
3: Messi

2008:
1: Cristiano
2: Xavi
3: Messi

2009:
1: Messi
2: Xavi
3: Iniesta

2010:
1: Messi
2: Xavi
3: Cristiano

 

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2011:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Xavi

2012:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Iniesta

2013:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Robben

2014:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Robben

2015:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Neymar

2016:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Suarez

2017:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Neymar

2018:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Neymar

2019:
1: Messi
2: Van Dijk
3: Hazard

2020:
1: Lewandowski
2: Messi
3: De Bruyne

2021:
1: Messi
2: Lewandowski
3: Mbappe

2022:
1: Benzema
2: Mbappe
3: De Bruyne

2023:
1: Mbappe
2: Messi
3: De Bruyne

2024:
1: Bellingham
2: Vinicius
3: Rodri

 

Messi 2016? After Ronaldo Winning UCL and Euro and Messi losing to Atlético on QF and the final of copa América?

 

I really believe in the veracity of the information from Nilton Santos, who investigated is a Botafogo fan. I don't understand why he would want to benefit Nilton Santos over Garrincha and Didi. I also know the people who investigated Puskás' assists. They demonstrated their veracity to me with sources. Do you want me to request the links to Nilton Santos' MOTM?

 

What is your true nationality, my dear ???




Since I'm really Brazilian...


Naturally I see or perceive The years and the Competitions in question





...
.
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in the Start of the Video ..Shows Up ..


Nilton Santos's Lances in World Cup 1958 and 1962 .



Later ...


Shows Up

the famous duel between

Nilton Santos vs Stanley Matthews in 1956 ...



later ...


Rio Janeiro Carioca Championship or Rio-São Paulo in BotaFogo Rj..



The biggest problem I see.. here.. These are the people who haven't actually seen entire Games from Older Times+++ Voting without connection or outside the Context of the Seasons.. They are voting for the best player in the World at the time... or the Most +++ Talented For them.. But the prize is of Best Player of the Year or More ++ Regular ...the most ++ Complete player ..Greater Numbers too ...Diego Armando Maradona never ++ it was better and more ++ regular, more complete and Competitive..than Michel Platini.. in 1984/85 he was never been better... than Ruud Gullit..Ronald Koeman.. and Marco van Basten..Van Breukelen in 1987/88 To where .. PSV won European Champions Cup. .. Netherlands won the only official title from the History of Dutch Football. AC Milan managed to reassemble the top of Maradona's Napoli..in the away game.. 3 x 2 and won the Italian Championship..



https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copa_de_las_Cuatro_Naciones


The criteria are strange...

For me

That I am a true historian

sometimes
some Seasons also .. !
..
..
.
.
Nilton Santos was a great player for sure .

 

My list:

1946:
1: Pontoni
2: Martino
3: Pedernera

1947:
1: Mazzola
2: Di Stefano
3: Moreno

1948:
1: Puskas
2: Matthews
3: Nordahl

1949:
1: Puskas
2: Ademir
3: Zizinho

1950:
1: Puskas
2: Ademir
3: Zizinho

1951:
1: Liedholm
2: Nordahl
3: Ocwirk

1952:
1: Puskas
2: Kocsis
3: Kubala

1953:
1: Puskas
2: Hidegkuti
3: Kopa

1954:
1: Kocsis
2: Walter
3: Puskas

1955:
1: Di Stefano
2: Kopa
3: Schiaffino

1956:
1: Di Stefano
2: Schiaffino
3: Kopa

1957:
1: Di Stefano
2: Didi
3: Sivori

1958:
1: Didi
2: Kopa
3: Pele

1959:
1: Pele
2: Di Stefano
3: Sanfilipo

1960:
1: Puskas
2: Miramontes
3: Sivori

1961
1: Pele
2: Sivori
3: Garrincha

1962:
1: Garrincha
2: Pele
3: Masopust

1963:
1: Pele
2: Rivera
3: Yashin

1964:
1: Pele
2: Miramontes
3: Law

1965:
1: Pele
2: Eusebio
3: Miramontes

1966:
1: Eusebio
2: Charlton
3: Albert

1967:
1: Albert
2: Johnstone
3: Rocha

1968:
1: Best
2: Eusebio
3: Dzajic

1969:
1: Rivera
2: Cruyff
3: Pele

1970:
1: Pele
2: Gerd
3: Beckenbauer

1971:
1: Cruyff
2: Beckenbauer
3: Best

1972:
1: Cruyff
2: Beckenbauer
3: Netzer

1973:
1: Cruyff
2: Gerd
3: Zoff

1974:
1: Cruyff
2: Beckenbauer
3: Gerd

1975:
1: Blokhine
2: Figueroa
3: Beckenbauer

1976:
1: Beckenbauer
2: Figueroa
3: Rensenbrink

1977:
1: Zico
2: Cruyff
3: Keegan

1978:
1: Kempes
2: Rensenbrink
3: Rossi

1979:
1: Maradona
2: Zico
3: Falcao

1980:
1: Maradona
2: Zico
3: Rummenigge

1981:
1: Zico
2: Maradona
3: Rummenigge

1982:
1: Zico
2: Rummenigge
3: Falcao

1983:
1: Platini
2: Falcao
3: Zico

1984:
1: Platini
2: Zico
3: Falcao

1985:
1: Maradona
2: Platini
3: Boniek

1986:
1: Maradona
2: Careca
3: Lineker

1987:
1: Maradona
2: Gullit
3: Futre

1988:
1: Maradona
2: Gullit
3: Van Basten

1989:
1: Maradona
2: Van Basten
3: Baresi

1990:
1: Matthaus
2: Maradona
3: Baresi

1991:
1: Matthaus
2: Papin
3: Savicevic

1992:
1: Laudrup
2: Van Basten
3: Bergkamp

1993:
1: Baggio
2: Romario
3: Stoichkov

1994:
1: Romario
2: Stoichkov
3: Baggio

1995:
1: Litmanen
2: Sammer
3: Klinsmann

1996:
1: Sammer
2: Ronaldo
3: Shearer

1997:
1: Ronaldo
2: Zidane
3: Romario

1998:
1: Ronaldo
2: Zidane
3: Rivaldo

1999:
1: Rivaldo
2: Beckham
3: Batistuta

2000:
1: Zidane
2: Figo
3: Totti

2001:
1: Figo
2: Zidane
3: Raul

2002:
1: Ballack
2: Zidane
3: Carlos

2003:
1: Zidane
2: Henry
3: Maldini

2004:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Henry
3: Deco

2005:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Lampard
3: Adriano

2006:
1: Ronaldinho
2: Henry
3: Eto’o

2007:
1: Kaka
2: Cristiano
3: Messi

2008:
1: Cristiano
2: Xavi
3: Messi

2009:
1: Messi
2: Xavi
3: Iniesta

2010:
1: Messi
2: Xavi
3: Cristiano

2011:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Xavi

2012:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Iniesta

2013:
1: Ribery
2: Messi
3: Robben

2014:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Robben

2015:
1: Messi
2: Cristiano
3: Neymar

2016:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Suarez

2017:
1: Cristiano
2: Messi
3: Neymar

2018:
1: Modric
2: Christiano
3: Messi

2019:
1: Messi
2: Van Dijk
3: Hazard

2020:
1: Lewandowski
2: Messi
3: De Bruyne

2021:
1: Messi
2: Lewandowski
3: Mbappe

2022:
1: Benzema
2: Mbappe
3: De Bruyne

2023:
1: Messi
2: Mbappe
3: De Bruyne

2024:
1: Rodri
2: Vinicius
3: Bellingham

 

It's up to you mate. I guess at some point "guys please no more votes" has to be respected but it's your project. I wouldn't refuse to help with the points if necessary.

Those last two votes do look very similar though, and with only 3 players per year (unfortunately we did set a precedent with that though because of needing to to incorporate old votes from old threads and then we allowed more votes in that format - maybe even my fault!). I think you originally didn't want guys 'copying' each other, although it might not be the first time it happened and maybe it's understandable it will (that people will be influenced by other votes).

I don't know really overall! I think it would be ok to say "sorry guys, thanks for the new posts and they can stay on the thread to be looked at but the voting has ended already" but if you think you would like to include them then of course that's ok too. But yeah your call is the most important - I hope my comments help rather than make the decision even more complicated though lol!

Maybe the balance between seasonal and calendar year voting can be lost the more new seasonal method votes come in (these new ones might be intended as such too? - although I'm not sure as for example Ronaldo is in there for 1996 i.e 1995/.96 - not to say he didn't have anything to show from that season of course, with PSV, but the form with Barcelona counted for a lot in the Ballon d'Or and FIFA voting I'm sure). Maybe that's another reason to say we have to disallow the new votes. Also both are heavy on Maradona first places in the 80s, so together that can have an effect (but then it's questionable to disallow maybe, because it can be bias the other way in theory also lol!). Maybe you could say if they want to increase to 5 players per year then they can have the late entries (after your final final deadline lol) included....but I don't know (you'd need to set a deadline to adjust the votes). I remember one time before we did have two similar votes cast close together too (and we weren't sure if there was copying and pasting involved to an extent), but I think we counted them both IIRC....

I guess once you make your final results that will be the end anyway! But it takes time I'm sure, and maybe will be next year now even?

 

It was a tough one but I think Messi had a better league campaign than CR7, and also had a better Copa/Euro campaign.

 

Just realised that Romario wasn't on the shortlist for 1997. I would replace him with Bergkamp.

 

yes ... These several Awards Of Diego Armando Maradona ..80's


People are getting confused..The most +++ " best " Talented player ever in the entire world.. at that age .

With..the Prize
best player
of the Year

by Regularity
by Complete Player
by Greater Numbers too


For me, I have the Criteria..

If the PLayers haven't really won official collective titles

between

for example


2003/2004
+
2004 December 29 th..



The whole year has to count for much more +++ in the Election

than the remaining 6 months in my opinion. humbly

Except
The years ..of World Cups and Euro_Cups ..in the Calendar .


Examples


Why Ruud Gullit won Paulo Futre in 1987 .. ????







Group 5



15-10-86 Hungary 0-1 Netherlands
15-10-86 Poland 2-1 Greece
12-11-86 Greece 2-1 Hungary
19-11-86 Netherlands 0-0 Poland
3-12-86 Cyprus 2-4 Greece
21-12-86 Cyprus 0-2 Netherlands
14- 1-87 Greece 3-1 Cyprus
8- 2-87 Cyprus 0-1 Hungary
25- 3-87 Netherlands 1-1 Greece
12- 4-87 Poland 0-0 Cyprus
29- 4-87 Greece 1-0 Poland
29- 4-87 Netherlands 2-0 Hungary
17- 5-87 Hungary 5-3 Poland
23- 9-87 Poland 3-2 Hungary
14-10-87 Hungary 3-0 Greece
14-10-87 Poland 0-2 Netherlands
28-10-87 Netherlands 8-0 Cyprus (nullified due to crowd violence)
11-11-87 Cyprus 0-1 Poland
2-12-87 Hungary 1-0 Cyprus
9-12-87 Netherlands 4-0 Cyprus (replay behind closed doors)
16-12-87 Greece 0-3 Netherlands

1.NETHERLANDS 8 6 2 0 15- 1 14
2.Greece 8 4 1 3 12-13 9
3.Hungary 8 4 0 4 13-11 8
4.Poland 8 3 2 3 9-11 8
5.Cyprus 8 0 1 7 3-16 1


vs


Paulo Futre



Group 2



24- 9-86 Sweden 2-0 Switzerland
12-10-86 Portugal 1-1 Sweden
29-10-86 Switzerland 1-1 Portugal
15-11-86 Italy 3-2 Switzerland
16-11-86 Malta 0-5 Sweden
6-12-86 Malta 0-2 Italy
24- 1-87 Italy 5-0 Malta
14- 2-87 Portugal 0-1 Italy
29- 3-87 Portugal 2-2 Malta
15- 4-87 Switzerland 4-1 Malta
24- 5-87 Sweden 1-0 Malta
3- 6-87 Sweden 1-0 Italy
17- 6-87 Switzerland 1-1 Sweden
23- 9-87 Sweden 0-1 Portugal
17-10-87 Switzerland 0-0 Italy
11-11-87 Portugal 0-0 Switzerland
14-11-87 Italy 2-1 Sweden
15-11-87 Malta 1-1 Switzerland
5-12-87 Italy 3-0 Portugal
20-12-87 Malta 0-1 Portugal

1.ITALY 8 6 1 1 16- 4 13
2.Sweden 8 4 2 2 12- 5 10
3.Portugal 8 2 4 2 6- 8 8
4.Switzerland 8 1 5 2 9- 9 7
5.Malta 8 0 2 6 4-21 2



Ruud Gullit's Netherlands won the Group 5 .. the last match was in 16/12/1987 ...


until 29 th december 1987




Paulo Futre

in the Third Place ...Group 2..the last match was in 20/12/1987

until 29 th december 1987

Out of the Euro-Cup Final phase in 1988 hosts West Germany .

 

..
..
If the PLayers haven't really won official collective titles

between

for example


2003/2004
+
2004 December 29 th..


the same case Of Ronaldinho in 2004 ..

never never never should be the Ballon D'or in 2004 in any ..
hypothesis .

in 2006 ...
Alright ..
It's even debatable


between

Ronaldinho
Samuel Eto'o
Fabio Cannavaro
Buffon
Zidane
Thierry Daniel Henry
Franck Ribery
Patrick Vieira


It could be Ronaldinho. But neither.


could be other names

easily

the Special Year of the World Cup in 2006 .




Making one Pre-List could be solving the problem on my view

 

I agree, any information without a strong evidence, is just an opinion.

 

What do you suggest to really correct these votes out of context according to the real seasons????


For Example

1987/88
+
1988 29th december




MATCH FOR THIRD PLACE (30/9)

West Germany 3 - 0 Italy

FINAL (1/10)

Seoul
Soviet Union 2 - 1 Brazil (aet, FT 1-1)
Soviet Union: Kharin - Ketashvili, Yarovenko, Gorlukovich, Losev -
Kuznetsov, Dobrovolski, Mikhailichenko, Tatarchuk -
Liuti (Skliyarov), Narbekovas (Savichev).
Brazil: Taffarel - Luis Carlos, Aloisio, Andre Cruz, Jorginho - Andrade,
Milton, Neto (Edmar) - Careca II, Bebeto (Joao Paulo), Romario.

Referee: Gerard Bignet (France)
Attendance: 75 000

Scorers: 30' Romario 0-1; 61' Dobrovolski (pen) 1-1; 103' Savichev 2-1.

Top scorers: Romario (Brazil) 7 goals
I Dobrovolski (Soviet Union) 6 goals
K Bwalya (Zambia) 6 goals
A Mikhailichenko (Soviet Union) 5 goals



i'm Showing you ... The performances .. of the brazilian Players..

and argentinian players in the season .... 1987/88 + 1988 december 29 th ... in the National Teams


Romário played better than Diego Armando Maradona .. in the National Team Side ..

in 1987/88 + 1988

 

I am assuming that my vote has not been counted yet, so here is my updated list:


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1946:

1: Rene Pontoni (Argentina, San Lorenzo)

2: Rinaldo Martino (Argentina, San Lorenzo)

3: Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina, River Plate)

4: Valentino Mazzola (Italy, Torino)

5: Ferenc Deak (Hungary, Szentlorinci)


1947:

1: Valentino Mazzola (Italy, Torino)

2: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, River Plate)

3: Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina, River Plate)

4: Wilf Mannion (England, Middlesbrough)

5: Danilo Alvim (Brazil, Vasco da Gama)


1948:

1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Kispest)

2: Stanley Matthews (England, Blackpool)

3: Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden, Norrkoping)

4: Valentino Mazzola (Italy, Torino)

5: Danilo Alvim (Brazil, Vasco da Gama)


1949:

1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Kispest)

2: Ademir (Brazil, Vasco da Gama)

3: Zizinho (Brazil, Flamengo)

4: Ferenc Deak (Hungary, Ferencvaros)

5: Jair (Brazil, Palmeiras)


1950:

1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

2: Ademir (Brazil, Vasco da Gama)

3: Zizinho (Brazil, Flamengo)

4: Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden, AC Milan)

5: Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay, Penarol)


1951:

1: Nils Liedholm (Sweden, AC Milan)

2: Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden, AC Milan)

3: Ernst Ocwirk (Austria, Austria Wien)

4: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Millonarios)

5: Jair (Brazil, Palmeiras)


If my vote has already been counted, please let me know.

 

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1952:

1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

2: Sandor Kocsis (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

3: Laszlo Kubala (Hungary, Barcelona)

4: Ernst Ocwirk (Austria, Austria Wien)

5: Jozsef Bozsik (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

1953:

1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

2: Nandor Hidegkuti (Hungary, MTK Budapest)

3: Raymond Kopa (France, Stade Reims)

4: Fritz Walter (Germany, Kaiserslautern)

5: Nat Lofthouse (England, Bolton Wanderers)

1954:

1: Sandor Kocsis (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

2: Fritz Walter (Germany, Kaiserslautern)

3: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

4: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)

5: Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay, Penarol)

1955:

1: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)

2: Raymond Kopa (France, Stade Reims)

3: Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay, AC Milan)

4: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Budapest Honved)

5: Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden, AC Milan)

1956:

1: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)

2: Juan Alberto Schiaffino (Uruguay, AC Milan)

3: Raymond Kopa (France, Stade Reims)

4: Julinho (Brazil, Fiorentina)

5: Stanley Matthews (England, Blackpool)

1957:

1: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)

2: Didi (Brazil, Botafogo)

3: Julinho (Brazil, Fiorentina)

4: Raymond Kopa (France, Real Madrid)

5: John Charles (Wales, Leeds)

 

Just a humble suggestion here now dear mate !



Make a Pre-List
with detailed Cards

one Pre-List with 10 possible winners the Ballon D'or by Users .


Accordingly and correctly with each true Season Example .. 1984/85 + 1985 december 29th .

Highly impartial and fair..


If players haven't won official titles, they won't be able to win the Ballon D'or by Users.


good..

It's my humble suggestion

 

Sorry I made a mistake, in 1955 Kocsis is 5th place.

 

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1958:


1: Raymond Kopa (France, Real Madrid)


2: Pele (Brazil, Santos)


3: Didi (Brazil, Botafogo)


4: Garrincha (Brazil, Botafogo)


5: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)


1959:


1: Pele (Brazil, Santos)


2: Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina, Real Madrid)


3: Jose Sanfilippo (Argentina, San Lorenzo)


4: Luis Suarez (Spain, Barcelona)


5: Raymond Kopa (France, Real Madrid)


1960:


1: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Real Madrid)


2: Luis Suarez (Spain, Barcelona)


3: Uwe Seeler (Germany, Hamburg)


4: Omar Sivori (Argentina, Juventus)


5: Lev Yashin (Russia, Dynamo Moscow)


1961:


1: Pele (Brazil, Santos)


2: Omar Sivori (Argentina, Juventus)


3: Garrincha (Brazil, Botafogo)


4: Alberto Spencer (Ecuador, Penarol)


5: Danny Blanchflower (Northern Ireland, Tottenham Hotspur)


1962:


1: Pele (Brazil, Santos)


2: Garrincha (Brazil, Botafogo)


3: Josef Masopust (Czech Republic, Dukla Prague)


4: Eusebio (Portugal, Benfica)


5: Ferenc Puskas (Hungary, Real Madrid)


1963:


1: Pele (Brazil, Santos)


2: Lev Yashin (Russia, Dynamo Moscow)


3: Gianni Rivera (Italy, AC Milan)


4: Eusebio (Portugal, Benfica)


5: Jimmy Greaves (England, Tottenham Hotspur)

 

I don't know which post is the most appropriate, I'll post here since we're talking about Ballon d'Or anyway.

The Ballon d'Or encyclopedia made by Gerard Ejnes in collaboration with France Football:

 

TOP XI:

 

@Kopaskas10 - I'll wait for @IceBlood34 to decide if voting can be extended a bit more or not, but just as a bit of info re: what you said about 1997 (given you will be naming 5 players for that year soon) - IceBlood did allow players from outside the original shortlists in the end (I guess you looked at the thread from the first posts when you made your own posts).