Ballon d'Or awards revisited by BigSoccer users

I have elegos' book in which he rates the top 3 in every season, but not top 5. Peterhrt votes can be found in either the 1910s best footballers thread or best footballers 1956-2009 thread I think, although again, they are only top 3's.

 

Yeah, I incorporated Peter's votes using that 1950-2009 thread already, but knew they would both be featuring in our panel significantly for years before 1950 too (as IceBlood himself said too in our private messages).

If you wanted to send me a PM yourself with info about the lists in elegos7's book feel free of course (it's possible it'll be a bit more concise and/or decisive than whatever is posted on the seasonal threads, and it would be quicker for me to use a list for all seasons he's covered I suppose too, if I would be counting a separate vote from Peterhrt each time too anyway rather than merging them....or maybe it is even their joint decisions reflected in the book I guess....?).

Obviously I'm sure Peterhrt and elegos would be both welcome to update and extend their selections for the purposes of our thread. Likewise I know that @Perú FC is still welcome to confirm his final choices for all years and have his votes incorporated too.

 

Ok, this is where we have it for 1940 at the moment, to kick off the 1940s standings....

1940 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Leonidas (Brazil/Flamengo) - 46
2 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 37
3 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Independiente) - 19
4 Franz Binder (Germany*/Rapid Vienna) - 14
5 Arsenio Erico (Paraguay/Independiente) - 5
6 Emilio Baldonedo (Argentina/Huracan), Delfin Benitez Caceres (Paraguay/Racing Club de Avellaneda) - 4
8 Iuliu Baratky (Romania/Rapid Bucharest), Gyorgy Sarosi (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 3
10 Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional), Ernst Kuzorra (Germany/Schalke), Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 2
13 Fritz Szepan (Germany/Schalke), Romeu (Brazil/Fluminense) - 1

 

Ok, stop press lol....

https://www.bigsoccer.com/threads/b...bigsoccer-users.2119696/page-27#post-40642701

I did already spot @peterhrt's 1940s choices I realise now (with the 1950s ones - I'd temporarily forgotten he went earlier than 1950 on the 1950-2009 thread as well), so I can add in votes for him too, to result in this:

1940 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Leonidas (Brazil/Flamengo) - 52
2 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 40
3 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Independiente) - 19
4 Franz Binder (Germany*/Rapid Vienna) - 14
5 Arsenio Erico (Paraguay/Independiente) - 9
6 Emilio Baldonedo (Argentina/Huracan), Delfin Benitez Caceres (Paraguay/Racing Club de Avellaneda) - 4
8 Iuliu Baratky (Romania/Rapid Bucharest), Gyorgy Sarosi (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 3
10 Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional), Ernst Kuzorra (Germany/Schalke), Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 2
13 Fritz Szepan (Germany/Schalke), Romeu (Brazil/Fluminense) - 1


Meanwhile, the 1941 standings too....

1941 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 60
2 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Independiente) - 21
3 Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional) - 19
4 Franz Binder (Germany*/Rapid Vienna) - 15
5 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 11
6 Gyorgy Sarosi (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 9
7 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague), Isidro Langara (Spain/San Lorenzo) - 6
9 Roberto Porta (Uruguay/Nacional) - 5
10 Leonidas (Brazil/Flamengo), Teleco (Brazil/Corinthians) - 1

 

1942 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 58
2 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 37
3 Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Montevideo Wanderers) - 16
4 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 11
5 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton), Roberto Porta (Uruguay/Nacional) - 8
7 Anibal Ciocca (Uruguay/Nacional) - 7
8 Fritz Walter (Germany/Kaiserslautern) - 4
9 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 2
11 Heleno de Freitas (Brazil/Botafogo), Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo), Mundo (Spain/Valencia) - 1

 

1943 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 34
2 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 25
3 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 20
4 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate), Severino Varela (Uruguay/Boca Juniors) - 19
6 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Sao Paulo) - 16
7 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague), Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional), Leonidas (Brazil/Sao Paulo) - 5
10 Silvio Piola (Italy/Lazio) - 3
11 Raich Carter (England/Sunderland), Domingos da Guia (Brazil/Flamengo), Jose Salomon (Argentina/Racing Club de Avellaneda) - 1

 

I will send elegos7’s book votes tomorrow or later today.

 

Cheers, I will probably see them tomorrow - I think I'll be getting between two and four more updates done for the 1940s today though (I'm in the middle of the 1944 one right now, and it's a close one!)....

EDIT - One thing I will do, probably tomorrow, is add in votes from Dearman too (I haven't done that yet), so these ones I'm publishing today are definitely still provisional (but it'll be quicker to add votes in now I've made a start).

 

1944 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 34
2 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 33
- 33
4 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 21
5 Carlos Sosa (Argentina/Boca Juniors) - 11
6 Severino Varela (Uruguay/Boca Juniors) - 6
7 Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate) - 4
8 Jair da Rosa Pinto (Brazil/Vasco da Gama) - 3
9 Mario Boye (Argentina/Boca Juniors), Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Penarol) - 2
11 Karl Decker (Austria/First Vienna), Epi Fernandez (Spain/Valencia), Luisinho (Brazil/Sao Paulo), Mundo (Spain/Valencia), Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Sao Paulo) - 1

 

1945 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 36
2 Norberto Mendez (Argentina/Huracan) - 25
3 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton) - 22
4 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 18
5 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 16
6 Ademir de Menezes (Brazil/Vasco da Gama), Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate) - 12
8 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/Real Club Espana) - 4
9 Helenio de Freitas (Brazil/Botafogo) - 3
10 Felix Loustau (Argentina/River Plate), Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Penarol), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 2

 

1946 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 46
2 Rene Pontoni (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 21
3 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 18
4 Raich Carter (England/Sunderland/Derby County), Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Szentlorinci), Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate), Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 10
8 Norberto Mendez (Argentina/Huracan), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 7
10 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 6
11 Gyula Zsengeller (Hungary/Ujpest) - 4
12 Tommy Lawton (England/Chelsea) - 3
13 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg) - 2

 

1947 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 38
2 Wilf Mannion (England/Middlesbrough) - 26
3 Tommy Lawton (England/Chelsea/Notts County) - 23
4 Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/River Plate) - 20
5 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 19
6 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City/Blackpool) - 13
7 Rene Pontoni (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 7
8 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Szentlorinci/Ferencvaros) - 4
9 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 3
10 Felix Loustau (Argentina/River Plate) - 1

 

1948 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Stanley Matthews (England/Blackpool) - 53
2 Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden/Norrkoping) - 27
3 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 24
4 Ferenc Puskas (Hungary/Kispest) - 22
5 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg) - 14
6 Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/River Plate/Millonarios) - 6
7 Tom Finney (England/Preston North End) - 4
8 Danilo Alvim (Brazil/Vasco da Gama) - 2
9 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Ferencvaros), Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 1

 

1949 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Ademir de Menezes (Brazil/Vasco da Gama) - 31
2 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 26
3 Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 25
4 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 22
5 Ferenc Puskas (Hungary/Kispest) - 13
6 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg/AC Milan), Jair da Rosa Pinto (Brazil/Flamengo/Palmeiras) - 12
8 Ernst Ocwirk (Austria/Austria Vienna) - 7
9 Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/Millonarios), Juan Schiaffino (Uruguay/Penarol) - 2
11 Johnny Carey (Ireland/Manchester United), Oscar Miguez (Uruguay/Penarol) - 1

 

Provisional (once I'm sure whether elgos7 has any 1940s votes, I'll add in Dearman's and potentially his too) 1940s top ~35 (34-39) points scorers from the Big Soccer panel....

1) Jose Manuel Moreno - 164
2) Stanley Matthews - 142
3) Adolfo Pedernera - 129
4) Zizinho - 103
5) Josef Bican - 96
6) Valentino Mazzola - 90
7) Tommy Lawton - 89
8= Leonidas, Rinaldo Martino - 58
10) Antonio Sastre - 57
11) Ademir de Menezes - 43
12) Ferenc Deak - 41
13) Ferenc Puskas - 35
14) Norberto Mendez - 32
15) Franz Binder - 29
16= Alfredo Di Stefano, Gunnar Gren, Rene Pontoni - 28
19) Gunnar Nordahl - 27
20= Atilio Garcia, Angel Labruna, Wilf Mannion - 26
23) Severino Varela - 25
24) Obdulio Varela - 20
25) Jair da Rosa Pinto - 15
26) Roberto Porta - 13
27) Gyorgy Sarosi - 12
28= Raich Carter, Carlos Sosa - 11
30) Arsenio Erico - 9
31= Anibal Ciocca, Ernst Ocwirk - 7
33) Isidro Langara - 6
34) Emilio Baldonedo, Delfin Benitez Caceres, Tom Finney, Heleno de Freitas, Fritz Walter, Gyula Zsengeller - 4

 

Yes, true, I always go back to that page and start from there when necessary - it is very helpful for sure. There isn't any direct link to any posts by elegos7 I don't think though there is there on that page, but just a mention of the work him and Peterhrt were doing?

 

Looking a bit deeper again at that PM discussion, I realise the 'joint' list that elegos7 and Peterhrt had agreed upon would be for pre-1920.

I haven't discovered on Big Soccer any 1940s votes by elegos7 but of course if I'm made aware of some I could still incorporate those, but anyway Dearman made lists for 1930s and 1940s (but without the 42-43 to 45-46 seasons) so I'll add those in for the 1940s now and put all the standings in one post....


1940 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Leonidas (Brazil/Flamengo) - 58
2 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 44
3 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Independiente) - 19
4 Franz Binder (Germany*/Rapid Vienna) - 14
5 Arsenio Erico (Paraguay/Independiente) - 9
6 Iuliu Baratky (Romania/Rapid Bucharest) - 6
7 Emilio Baldonedo (Argentina/Huracan), Delfin Benitez Caceres (Paraguay/Racing Club de Avellaneda) - 4
9 Gyorgy Sarosi (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 3
10 Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional), Ernst Kuzorra (Germany/Schalke), Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 2
13 Fritz Szepan (Germany/Schalke), Romeu (Brazil/Fluminense) - 1

1941 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 66
2 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Independiente) - 25
3 Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional) - 19
4 Franz Binder (Germany*/Rapid Vienna) - 15
5 Gyorgy Sarosi (Hungary/Ferencvaros) - 9
6 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 11
7 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague), Isidro Langara (Spain/San Lorenzo) - 6
9 Roberto Porta (Uruguay/Nacional) - 5
10 Leonidas (Brazil/Flamengo), Teleco (Brazil/Corinthians) - 1

1942 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 64
2 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 41
3 Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Montevideo Wanderers) - 16
4 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 14
5 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton), Roberto Porta (Uruguay/Nacional) - 8
7 Anibal Ciocca (Uruguay/Nacional) - 7
8 Fritz Walter (Germany/Kaiserslautern) - 4
9 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 2
11 Heleno de Freitas (Brazil/Botafogo), Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo), Mundo (Spain/Valencia) - 1

1943 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 34
2 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 25
3 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 20
4 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate), Severino Varela (Uruguay/Boca Juniors) - 19
6 Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Sao Paulo) - 16
7 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague), Atilio Garcia (Uruguay/Nacional), Leonidas (Brazil/Sao Paulo) - 5
10 Silvio Piola (Italy/Lazio) - 3
11 Raich Carter (England/Sunderland), Domingos da Guia (Brazil/Flamengo), Jose Salomon (Argentina/Racing Club de Avellaneda) - 1

1944 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Josef Bican (Czechoslovakia*/Slavia Prague) - 34
2 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 33
- 33
4 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 21
5 Carlos Sosa (Argentina/Boca Juniors) - 11
6 Severino Varela (Uruguay/Boca Juniors) - 6
7 Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate) - 4
8 Jair da Rosa Pinto (Brazil/Vasco da Gama) - 3
9 Mario Boye (Argentina/Boca Juniors), Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Penarol) - 2
11 Karl Decker (Austria/First Vienna), Epi Fernandez (Spain/Valencia), Luisinho (Brazil/Sao Paulo), Mundo (Spain/Valencia), Antonio Sastre (Argentina/Sao Paulo) - 1

1945 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 36
2 Norberto Mendez (Argentina/Huracan) - 25
3 Tommy Lawton (England/Everton) - 22
4 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 18
5 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 16
6 Ademir de Menezes (Brazil/Vasco da Gama), Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate) - 12
8 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/Real Club Espana) - 4
9 Helenio de Freitas (Brazil/Botafogo) - 3
10 Felix Loustau (Argentina/River Plate), Obdulio Varela (Uruguay/Penarol), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 2

1946 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Adolfo Pedernera (Argentina/River Plate) - 46
2 Rene Pontoni (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 21
3 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 18
4 Raich Carter (England/Sunderland/Derby County), Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Szentlorinci), Angel Labruna (Argentina/River Plate), Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City) - 10
8 Norberto Mendez (Argentina/Huracan), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 7
10 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 6
11 Gyula Zsengeller (Hungary/Ujpest) - 4
12 Tommy Lawton (England/Chelsea) - 3
13 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg) - 2

1947 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 44
2 Wilf Mannion (England/Middlesbrough) - 26
3 Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/River Plate) - 24
4 Tommy Lawton (England/Chelsea/Notts County) - 23
5 Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 19
6 Stanley Matthews (England/Stoke City/Blackpool) - 16
7 Rene Pontoni (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 7
8 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Szentlorinci/Ferencvaros) - 4
9 Rinaldo Martino (Argentina/San Lorenzo) - 3
10 Felix Loustau (Argentina/River Plate) - 1

1948 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Stanley Matthews (England/Blackpool) - 53
2 Ferenc Puskas (Hungary/Kispest) - 28
3 Gunnar Nordahl (Sweden/Norrkoping), Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 27
5 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg) - 14
6 Danilo Alvim (Brazil/Vasco da Gama), Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/River Plate/Millonarios) - 6
8 Tom Finney (England/Preston North End) - 4
9 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Ferencvaros), Jose Manuel Moreno (Argentina/River Plate) - 1

1949 Ballon d'Or Revisited Big Soccer panel consensus
1 Ademir de Menezes (Brazil/Vasco da Gama) - 31
2 Ferenc Deak (Hungary/Ferencvaros), Zizinho (Brazil/Flamengo) - 29
4 Valentino Mazzola (Italy/Torino) - 22
5 Ferenc Puskas (Hungary/Kispest) - 19
6 Gunnar Gren (Sweden/Gothenburg/AC Milan), Jair da Rosa Pinto (Brazil/Flamengo/Palmeiras) - 12
8 Ernst Ocwirk (Austria/Austria Vienna) - 7
9 Alfredo Di Stefano (Argentina/Millonarios), Juan Schiaffino (Uruguay/Penarol) - 2
11 Johnny Carey (Ireland/Manchester United), Oscar Miguez (Uruguay/Penarol) - 1

 

Updated top 35 points scorers for the 1940s (in this decade there is a slightly bigger voting pool for both ends compared to the middle - see above post)

1) Jose Manuel Moreno - 176
2) Stanley Matthews - 145
3) Adolfo Pedernera - 133
4) Zizinho - 107
5) Josef Bican - 103
6) Valentino Mazzola - 99
7) Tommy Lawton - 89
8) Leonidas - 64
9) Antonio Sastre - 61
10) Rinaldo Martino - 58
11) Ferenc Puskas - 47
12) Ferenc Deak - 44
13) Ademir de Menezes - 43
14= Alfredo Di Stefano, Norberto Mendez - 32
16) Franz Binder - 29
17= Gunnar Gren, Rene Pontoni - 28
19) Gunnar Nordahl - 27
20= Atilio Garcia, Angel Labruna, Wilf Mannion - 26
23) Severino Varela - 25
24) Obdulio Varela - 20
25= Jair da Rosa Pinto, Gyorgy Sarosi - 15
27) Roberto Porta - 13
28= Raich Carter, Carlos Sosa - 11
30) Arsenio Erico - 9
31= Anibal Ciocca, Ernst Ocwirk - 7
33= Danilo Alvim, Iuliu Baratky, Isidro Langara - 6

 

Just to confirm: Lasha hasn't sent me a private message yet, but suggested he will do soon as you will have seen on this thread (so then I will get a good idea if elgos did make some lists for the 1920s and later). Peter made some top 3s for various decades that I have incorporated in the votes, including the 1940s now.

 

Should I send it privately? I was thinking of sending them here, but will do privately.

 

I've seen the post you made on my profile now mate - thanks very much.

So yep now I'm aware that elegos has made some calls for top players in each 1940s year - actually only top 2s for the 'war years' - I don't want to try to make an 'executive decision' over your head @IceBlood34 but I guess in the circumstances we could make an exception and award some points to the players he named still in those 1940-1946 years even though there are only two names - how about half points (meaning 3 pts for 1st and 2 pts for 2nd)? Or even 5 pts for 1st (rather than 6), with 3 pts for 2nd (rather than 4)? I guess it is good to include his calls in some way anyway. For 1947-1949 he does name 3 players, so I can incorporate those selections as votes like I've done for various other votes (mainly ones from old threads) at times, still giving 6 points for 1st (and 4 for 2nd, 3 for 3rd).