Ballon d'Or awards revisited by BigSoccer users

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  1. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
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  2. xShion

    xShion Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jan 23, 2022
    1970:
    Pelé (World Cup)
    Gerd Muller (World Cup)
    Johan Cruyff (Consistency)

    1971:
    Johan Cruyff (Consistency and UCL)
    Gerd Muller (Consistency)
    Sandro Mazzola (Calcio A)

    1972:
    Johan Cruyff (Consistency and UCL)
    Gerd Muller (Euro Artillery)
    Beckenbauer (Bundesliga)

    1973:
    Johan Cruyff (Consistency and UCL)
    Dino Zoff (Consistency in UCL)
    Eusébio (Euro Artillery and Primeira Liga)

    1974:
    Johan Cruyff (Consistency, Action in the cup and LaLiga)
    Gerd Muller (World Cup Champion and UCL)
    Beckenbauer (World Cup Champion and UCL)

    1975:
    Beckenbauer (UCL)
    Zico (Consistency)
    Oleg Blokhine (Premier League Soviet)
     
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  3. poetgooner

    poetgooner Member+

    Arsenal
    Nov 20, 2014
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Thank you sir, but I do not feel qualified to cast these votes :D
     
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  4. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Apologies. I find the project very interesting, but I seem to understand that the time interval corresponds to the calendar year. Since my rankings take into account the season (from August 1 to July 31) with some exceptions and including the annual seasons, for example, 1929, where it ends in that year, i.e. in 1928-29. Then, you would have to redo all the work to adapt it to the calendar year, leaving, for example, the first round of the European leagues in the year ending and the second round in the following year. Too much of a mess for me... and even the explanation...
     
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  5. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    After long, very long analysis, change of situation concerning the lists and rankings of players, here are my votes for the Ballon d'Or (from 1956 to 2021). I will agree to discuss with you the Pele period, which for me was the most complicated to estimate because I put myself in the shoes of a journalist at that time and I tried to estimate the weight between the South American and European championships, the reputation of Pele in the world, etc. which is something very difficult..
    1956-2021 (open)

    1956 1. Di Stefano 2. Kopa 3. Julinho 4. Matthews 5. Schiaffino
    1957 1. Di Stefano 2. Didi 3. Edwards 4. Charles 5. Julinho
    1958 1. Kopa 2. Pelé 3. Didi 4. Fontaine 5. Rahn
    1959 1. Pelé 2. Di Stefano 3. Kopa 4. Suarez 5. Charles
    1960 1. Puskas 2. Pelé 3. Suarez 4. Yashin 5. Pedro Rocha
    1961 1. Pelé 2. Sivori 3. Garrincha 4. Suarez 5. Haynes
    1962 1. Garrincha 2. Pelé 3. Masopust 4. Eusébio 5. Countinho
    1963 1. Pelé 2. Rivera 3. Greaves 4. Eusebio 5. Law
    1964 1. Pelé 2. Suarez 3. Law 4. Amancio 5. Eusebio
    1965 1. Pelé 2. Eusébio, 3. Suarez 4. Facchetti 5. Mazzola
    1966 1. Charlton 2. Eusebio 3. Beckenbauer 4. Albert 5. Moore
    1967 1. Albert 2. Charlton 3. Pedro Rocha 4. Johnstone 5. Best
    1968 1. Best 2. Pelé 3. Dzajic 4. Charlton 5. Beckenbauer
    1969 1. Rivera 2. Pelé 3. Tostao 4. Riva 5. Cruyff
    1970 1. Pelé 2. Muller 3. Jairzinho 4. Tostao 5. Moore
    1971 1. Cruyff 2. Best 3. Beckenbauer 4. Mazzola 5. Netzer
    1972 1. Cruyff 2.Beckenbauer 3. Netzer 4. Muller 5. Jairzinho
    1973 1. Cruyff 2. Muller 3. Beckenbauer 4. Zoff 5. Deyna
    1974 1. Cruyff 2. Beckenbauer 3. Neeskens 4. Deyna 5. Lato
    1975 1. Figueroa 2. Blokhin 3. Beckenbauer 4. Vogts 5. Cruyff
    1976 1. Beckenbauer 2. Rivelino 3. Rensenbrick 4. Zico 5. Figueroa
    1977 1. Keegan 2. Cruyff 3. Simonsen 4. Platini 5. Zico
    1978 1. Kempes 2. Rensenbrink 3. Rossi 4. Dalglish 5. Krankl
    1979 1. Zico 2. Maradona 3. Keegan 4. Falcao 5. Dalglish
    1980 1. Maradona 2. Rummenigge 3. Zico 4. Platini 5. Schuster
    1981 1. Zico 2. Rummenigge 3. Maradona 4. Platini 5. Breitner
    1982 1. Zico 2. Rossi 3. Falcao 4. Scirea 5. Giresse
    1983 1. Platini 2. Falcao 3. Zico 4. Socrates 5. Dalglish
    1984 1. Platini 2.Tigana 3. Rush 4. Franscecoli 5. Elkjaer
    1985 1. Platini 2. Maradona 3. Elkjaer 4. Borghi 5. Boniek
    1986 1. Maradona 2. Careca 3. Lineka 4. Butragueno 5, Belanov
    1987 1. Maradona 2. Gullit 3. Futre 4. Sanchez 5. Butragueno
    1988 1. Van Basten 2. Gullit 3. Maradona 4. Gulllit 5. Koeman
    1989 1. Van Basten 2. Maradona 3. Baresi 4. Matthaus 5. Bebeto
    1990 1. Matthaus 2. Baresi 3. Maradona 4. Gascoigne 5. Schillacci
    1991 1. Papin 2. Savicevic 3. Matthaus 4. Waddle 5. Pancec
    1992 1. M Laudrup 2. Van Basten 3. Bergkamp 4. Stoichkov 5. Rai
    1993 1. Baggio 2. M Laudrup 3. Bergkamp 4. Cantona 5. Boksic
    1994 1. Romario 2.Baggio 3. Stoichkov 4. Maldini 5. Hagi
    1995 1. Weah 2. Litmanen 3. Klinsmann 4. M Laudrup 5. Maldini
    1996 1. Ronaldo 2. Weah 3. Sammer 4. Shearer 5. Klinsmann
    1997 1. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. R Carlos 4. Mijatovic 5. Bergkamp
    1998 1. Zidane 2. Ronaldo 3. Suker 4. Bergkamp 5. Rivaldo
    1999 1. Rivaldo 2. Beckham 3. Shevchenko 4. Figo 5. Batistuta
    2000 1. Zidane 2. Figo 3. Shevchenko 4. Henry 5. Totti
    2001 1. Figo 2. Raul 3. Totti 4. Owen 5. Zidane
    2002 1. Ronaldo 2. Zidane 3. Ballack 4. R Carlos 5. Kahn
    2003 1. Henry 2. Nedved 3. Zidane 4. Van Nistelrooy 5. Shevchenko
    2004 1. Ronaldinho 2. Shevchenko 3. Deco 4. Henry 5. Zagorakis
    2005 1. Ronaldinho 2. Lampard 3. Henry 4. Eto'o 5. Kaka
    2006 1. Cannavaro 2. Zidane 3. Ronaldinho 4.Henry 5. Eto'o
    2007 1. Kaka 2. C Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Pirlo 5.Drogba
    2008 1. C Ronaldo 2. Messi 3. Torres 4. Xavi 5. Casillas
    2009 1. Messi 2. C Ronaldo 3. Xavi 4. Iniesta 5. Eto'o
    2010 1. Sneijder 2. Messi 3. Iniesta 4. Xavi 5. Forlan
    2011 1. Messi 2. C Ronaldo 3. Xavi 4. Iniesta 5. Rooney
    2012 1. Messi 2. C Ronaldo 3. Iniesta 4. Xavi 5. Ibrahimovic
    2013 1. Ribery 2. Messi 3. C Ronaldo 4. Ibrahimovic 5. Iniesta
    2014 1. C Ronaldo 2. Messi 3. Neuer 4. Robben 5. Suarez
    2015 1. Messi 2. Ronaldo 3. Neymar 4. Suarez 5. Lewandowski
    2016 1. C Ronaldo 2. Messi 3. Griezmann 4. Suarez 5. Neymar
    2017 1. C. Ronaldo 2. Messi 3. Neymar 4. Modric 5. Buffon
    2018 1. Modric 2. C Ronaldo 3. Messi 4. Griezmann 5. Salah
    2019 1. Messi 2. Van Dijk 3. Mané 4. C Ronaldo 5. Salah
    2020 1. Lewandowski 2. De Bruyne 3. Messi 4. C Ronaldo 5. Kimmich
    2021 1. Messi 2. Lewandowski 3. Benzema 4. Jorginho 5. Kanté

    6 Ballon d'Or : Pelé, Messi
    4 Ballon d'Or : C Ronaldo, Cruyff
    3 Ballon d'Or : Maradona, Platini, Zico, Ronaldo Nazario
    2 Ballon d'Or : Di Stefano, Van Basten, Zidane, Ronaldinho

    I am open to discussion for the Pelé period because it was the most difficult to vote for me, because every year (except 1966 and 1967) Pele is a credible candidate to win.


    I also look forward to seeing your votes for the post-2009 years through 2021.
    And I will see if other users want to contribute, vote for the years before 1956.
     
  6. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    In fact, feel free to contribute sincerely, it's doesn't matter, made in your opinion.
    Few people for the moment have contributed on the topic so feel free to give your votes.
    We will be happy to count your votes among the ballot, I know that the calendar year vs. season problem is the big problem of these votes but every user who votes helps to grow our database ;)
     
  7. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Perhaps I will add 2010 onwards even without lots of other votes, but I'm not sure yet - I'll think about it, but for sure if we get plenty of votes I can go a bit backwards to earlier 50s as well as forwards, for a more complete set (but I'd probably stop around 1950, and leave earlier years to others still).

    Of course if everything was switched to seasons (based on approximately European summer to European summer) then I could re-vote, and a few players would probably fare better and a few worse, but I understand that your original idea was based on the actual Ballon d'Or calendar year concept. It depends how many other voters would like to take part on the basis of seasons I suppose, but we did a few threads for 1966/67 to 1969/70 already, started by Tom, but with all the players judged on the same period (Tom's original idea with his 23 Players Ballon d'Or lists was to judge South American players on calendar years and compare those to European players based on seasons, but on the 1966/67 thread a few people felt it was better to judge all players on the same period as if it was a real-time vote basically).

    I can add your votes in with mine and wm442433's to update the latest standings sometime if you like though (for 1956 to 2009 at least). It looks like your choices are a mix of ours to some extent, but with a few other options added in (such as the choice of Rocha as per the old-time French journalist you mentioned before, for 1960). I guess we can make an 'early consensus' from our votes, but to be representative of the Big Soccer community overall it would need several more voters obviously....
     
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  8. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Actually @IceBlood34 do you want to just take a look again at your 1988 selection (you will see what I mean). I'm doing an update now, but that year needs a bit of clarification due to double inclusion on your original post. It's possible you will answer before I finish the update, and then I could show it all correctly (although in spolier tags again of course).
     
  9. comme

    comme Moderator
    Staff Member

    Feb 21, 2003
    Just to say, I’m not ignoring this. I’m following this thread but I’m not in a position to give an opinion on the earlier years without a lot more research.
     
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  10. Titanlux

    Titanlux Member+

    Barcelona
    Spain
    Nov 27, 2017
    Good. Actually, I have worked from 1920 to 2021, although each list is constantly being revised and modified. I try to base my list on statistical and objective data rather than my subjective tastes, but since I have reviewed and added data to the seasons belonging to the 21st century in recent weeks, I have no objection to share the top 5 of the corresponding seasons:
    2000-01: 1st Owen; 2nd Figo; 3rd Raúl; 4th Beckham; 5th Kahn
    2001-02: 1st Ronaldo; 2nd Roberto Carlos; 3rd Zidane; 4th Kahn; 5th Ballack
    2002-03: 1st Nedved; 2nd Henry; 3rd Zidane; 4th Maldini; 5th Van Nistelrooy
    2003-04: 1st Ronaldinho; 2nd Shevchenko; 3rd Henry; 4th Deco; 5th Nedved
    2004-05: 1st Ronaldinho; 2nd Lampard; 3rd Gerrard; 4th Etoo; 5th Henry
    2005-06: 1st Cannavaro; 2nd Ronaldinho; 3rd Henry; 4th Etoo; 5th Buffon
    2006-07: 1st Kaka; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Messi; 4th Drogba; 5th Ronaldinho
    2007-08: 1st Cristiano Ronaldo; 2nd Messi; 3rd Torres; 4th Casillas; 5th Xavi
    2008-09: 1st Messi; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Xavi; 4th Iniesta; 5th Gerrard
    2009-10: 1st Messi; 2nd Xavi; 3rd Iniesta; 4th Sneijder; 5th Villa
    2010-11: 1st Messi; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Xavi; 4th Iniesta; 5th Rooney
    2011-12: 1º Messi; 2º Cristiano Ronaldo; 3º Iniesta; 4º Xavi; 5º Falcao
    2012-13: 1st Cristiano Ronaldo; 2nd Messi; 3rd Ribery; 4th Ibrahimovic; 5th Iniesta
    2013-14: 1st Cristiano Ronaldo; 2nd Messi; 3rd Neuer; 4th Robben; 5th Lahm
    2014-15: 1st Messi; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Neymar; 4th Luis Suárez; 5th Lewandowski
    2015-16: 1st Cristiano Ronaldo; 2nd Messi; 3rd Luis Suárez; 4th Griezmann; 5th Neymar
    2016-17: 1st Messi; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Neymar; 4th Modric; 5th Lewandowski
    2017-18: 1st Modric; 2nd Cristiano Ronaldo; 3rd Messi; 4th Mbappé; 5th Salah
    2018-19: 1st Messi; 2nd Van Dijk; 3rd Cristiano Ronaldo; 4th Mané; 5th Salah
    2019-20: 1st Lewandowski; 2nd Messi; 3rd De Bruyne; 4th Cristiano Ronaldo; 5th Mané
    2020-21: 1st Lewandowski; 2nd Messi; 3rd Benzema; 4th Salah; 5th De Bruyne
     
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  11. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    #86 PDG1978, Mar 7, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2022
    I didn't mean to imply IceBlood put Rocha first for 1960 btw - I probably should keep details secret anyway, but his name appears for 1960 somewhere in IceBlood's list is what I meant (as one example of a player selected that neither me or wm had voted for in that year).....

    Here is the updated latest standings after just the 3 votes, and for just between 1956 and 2009 anyway, again in spoiler tags so people can avoid viewing it before voting (with corrections of previous errors factored in - the extra point for Puskas and all the correct tallies for 1964 too)

    Latest points tallies 1956-2009 (open)

    1956
    1. Di Stefano (15)
    2. Julinho (9)
    3. Kopa (8)
    4. Matthews (4)
    5= Edwards, Puskas (3)
    7. Schiaffino (2)
    8. Ocwirk (1)

    1957
    1. Di Stefano (15)
    2. Didi (12)
    3. Edwards (7)
    4. Charles (4)
    5= Julinho, Kopa (3)
    7. Sivori (1)

    1958
    1. Pele (14)
    2. Kopa (13)
    3. Didi (8)
    4. Fontaine (4)
    5. Di Stefano (3)
    6. Garrincha (2)
    7. Rahn (1)

    1959
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Di Stefano (12)
    3. Kopa (8)
    4. Suarez (6)
    5. Charles (3)
    6. Julinho (1)

    1960
    1. Pele (13)
    2. Puskas (12)
    3. Suarez (9)
    4. Yashin (8)
    5= Rocha, Di Stefano, Seeler (1)

    1961
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Sivori (11)
    3= Garrincha, Suarez (8)
    5. Haynes (2)
    6. Coutinho (1)

    1962
    1. Garrincha (15)
    2. Pele (12)
    3. Masopust (8)
    4. Eusebio (6)
    5. Rivera (2)
    6= Coutinho, Spencer (1)

    1963
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Rivera (12)
    3. Greaves (8)
    4= Amarildo, Law (3)
    6= Eusebio, Yashin (2)

    1964
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Law (11)
    3. Suarez (10)
    4. Amancio (4)
    5= Corso, Eusebio (2)
    7. Moore (1)

    1965
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Eusebio (12)
    3. Facchetti (7)
    4. Suarez (5)
    5. B.Charlton (3)
    6. Mazzola (2)
    7. Law (1)

    1966
    1. Eusebio (14)
    2. B.Charlton (13)
    3. Beckenbauer (8)
    4. Albert (5)
    5. Cruyff (3)
    6. Moore (2)

    1967
    1= Albert, B.Charlton (13)
    3. Johnstone (6)
    4. Best (5)
    5= Beckenbauer, Rocha (3)
    6= Cruyff, Gemmell (1)

    1968
    1. Best (14)
    2= Dzajic, Pele (10)
    4. B.Charlton (7)
    5= Beckenbauer, Rivera (2)

    1969
    1. Rivera (12)
    2. Pele (11)
    3. Tostao (8)
    4= Cruyff, Riva (5)
    6. Best (4)

    1970
    1. Pele (11)
    2. Jairzinho (9)
    3. Muller (7)
    4= Beckenbauer, Moore (5)
    6. Cruyff (3)
    7= Gerson, Tostao (2)
    8. Rivelino (1)

    1971
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Best (11)
    3. Mazzola (8)
    4. Beckenbauer (6)
    5. Netzer (3)
    6= Cubillas. Skoblar (1)

    1972
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Beckenbauer (12)
    3. Muller (8)
    4. Netzer (7)
    5. Jairzinho (3)

    1973
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Muller (12)
    3. Beckenbauer (9)
    4. Deyna (5)
    5. Zoff (3)
    6. Neeskens (1)

    1974
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Beckenbauer (11)
    3. Neeskens (10)
    4. Deyna (6)
    5. Lato (2)
    6. Muller (1)

    1975
    1. Blokhin (12)
    2= Beckenbauer, Figueroa (11)
    4. Breitner (3)
    5= Cruyff, Cubillas, Lato, Vogts (2)

    1976
    1. Beckenbauer (14)
    2= Rensenbrink, Zico (9)
    4. Rivelino (5)
    5. Keegan (4)
    6. Cruyff (2)
    7= Figueroa, Platini (1)

    1977
    1. Simonsen (11)
    2= Cruyff, Keegan, Platini (9)
    5. Zico (4)
    6. Bettega (2)
    7. Kempes (1)

    1978
    1. Kempes (15)
    2. Rensenbrink (11)
    3. Rossi (7)
    4= Dalglish, Krankl (4)
    6. Bettega (2)
    7= Dirceu, Shilton (1)

    1979
    1. Zico (13)
    2= Keegan, Maradona (10)
    4= Dalglish, Rummenigge (4)
    6. Falcao (3)
    7. Krol (1)

    1980
    1. Maradona (14)
    2. Rummenigge (12)
    3. Zico (9)
    4. Platini (5)
    5. Schuster (4)
    6. Ceulemans (1)

    1981
    1. Zico (14)
    2. Rummenigge (13)
    3. Maradona (9)
    4. Platini (4)
    5. Breitner (3)
    6= Falcao, Schuster (1)

    1982
    1. Rossi (13)
    2. Zico (10)
    3. Falcao (7)
    4= Giresse, Platini, Scirea, Socrates (3)
    8. Littbarski (2)
    9. Boniek (1)

    1983
    1. Platini (15)
    2. Zico (10)
    3. Falcao (9)
    4. Socrates (6)
    5. Dalglish (5)

    1984
    1. Platini (15)
    2. Tigana (12)
    3. Rush (6)
    4= Francescoli, Giresse (4)
    6. Elkjaer (3)
    7. Chalana (1)

    1985
    1. Platini (14)
    2. Maradona (13)
    3. Elkjaer (8)
    4. Schuster (5)
    5. Boniek, Borghi (2)
    7. Dassaev (1)

    1986
    1. Maradona (15)
    2. Lineker (9)
    3. Careca (8)
    4= Butragueno, Gullit (4)
    6= Belanov, Elkjaer (2)
    8. Burruchaga (1)

    1987
    1. Gullit (14)
    2. Maradona (10)
    3. Futre (9)
    4. Valderrama (4)
    5. Butragueno (3)
    6= Lineker, Sanchez (2)
    8. Michel (1)

    1989
    1. Van Basten (15)
    2= Baresi, Maradona (8)
    4. Matthaus (5)
    5. Bebeto (4)
    6. Romario (3)
    7. Stojkovic (2)

    1990
    1. Matthaus (15)
    2. Baresi (8)
    3. Gascoigne (7)
    4. Maradona (6)
    5. Schillaci (5)
    6. Stojkovic (2)
    7= Brehme, Van Basten (1)

    1991
    1. Papin (15)
    2. Savicevic (11)
    3. Matthaus (10)
    4. Waddle (6)
    5= M.Laudrup, Pancev, Prosinecki (1)

    1992
    1. Van Basten (11)
    2. M.Laudrup (10)
    3= Bergkamp, Stoichkov (8)
    5= Bebeto, Rai (3)
    7. B.Laudrup (2)

    1993
    1. R.Baggio (15)
    2. M.Laudrup (8)
    3= Bergkamp, Cantona (7)
    5. Romario (5)
    6= Abedi Pele, Boksic, Maldini (1)

    1994
    1. Romario (15)
    2. R.Baggio (11)
    3= Maldini, Stoichkov (7)
    5. Hagi (4)
    6. Savicevic (1)

    1995
    1. Weah (15)
    2. Litmanen (9)
    3. Klinsmann (7)
    4. M.Laudrup (6)
    5. Maldini (4)
    6. Zola (2)
    7= Overmars, Savicevic (1)

    1996
    1. Ronaldo (14)
    2. Sammer (10)
    3. Weah (9)
    4. Shearer (5)
    5. Klinsmann (4)
    6. Suker (2)
    7. Del Piero (1)

    1997
    1. Ronaldo (15)
    2. Zidane (11)
    3. Bergkamp (5)
    4= Mijatovic, R.Carlos (4)
    6. Del Piero (3)
    7. Zola (2)
    8. Figo (1)

    1998
    1. Zidane (14)
    2. Ronaldo (13)
    3= Bergkamp, Suker (6)
    5. Rivaldo (4)
    6. Owen (2)

    1999
    1. Rivaldo (13)
    2= Beckham, Shevchenko (10)
    4. Figo (8)
    5. Raul (2)
    6= Batistuta, Yorke (1)

    2000
    1. Zidane (14)
    2. Figo (13)
    3. Shevchenko (8)
    4. Totti (5)
    5. Henry (3)
    6. Raul (2)

    2001
    1. Figo (15)
    2. Raul (8)
    3. Totti (7)
    4= Owen, Zidane (5)
    6= Beckham, Pires (2)
    8. Shevchenko (1)

    2002
    1= Ronaldo, Zidane (13)
    3. Ballack (6)
    4. R.Carlos (5)
    5. Ronaldinho (4)
    6. Henry (2)
    7= Kahn, Rivaldo (1)

    2003
    1. Henry (14)
    2. Nedved (12)
    3. Zidane (8)
    4. Van Nistelrooy (5)
    5= Maldini, Ronaldo (2)
    7= Nesta, Shevchenko (1)

    2004
    1. Ronaldinho (14)
    2. Shevchenko (13)
    3. Deco (8)
    4. Henry (7)
    5= Adriano, Kaka, Zagorakis (1)

    2005
    1. Ronaldinho (15)
    2. Lampard (10)
    3. Henry (9)
    4. Eto'o (5)
    5. Gerrard (3)
    6. Kaka (2)
    7. Shevchenko (1)

    2006
    1. Cannavaro (14)
    2. Zidane (9)
    3. Henry (7)
    4. Ronaldinho (6)
    5. Kaka (5)
    6= Eto'o, Pirlo (2)

    2007
    1. Kaka (15)
    2. C.Ronaldo (12)
    3. Messi (9)
    4. Pirlo (4)
    5= Drogba, Gerrard (2)
    6. Seedorf (1)

    2008
    1. C.Ronaldo (15)
    2. Messi (12)
    3. Torres (9)
    4. Xavi (4)
    5. Arshavin (3)
    6= Casillas, Villa (1)

    2009
    1. Messi (15)
    2. Iniesta (10)
    3. Xavi (9)
    4. C.Ronaldo (8)
    5. Eto'o (3)


    I've left 1988 out for now, so can add that after IceBlood clarifies his top 5 for that year....
     
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  12. wm442433

    wm442433 Member+

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    #87 wm442433, Mar 7, 2022
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2022
    @IceBlood34 & @PDG1978 , since there are not very much incomes at this very moment and that we are in wait of editing the last totals (1988), I made a typo myself mixing up things/ lines between 2009 and 2010 I just see now as for the order of Xavi and Iniesta. That's because I copy-pasted the pattern from you PDG and forgot to exchange their positions, thinking it was the right order for me as I saw them ordered like that on my document, except that it was on the next line underneath (I was onto 2005 and 2006 before posting and forgot about that one of 2009 so I did not notice until now, now that I'm starrting to think a bit about the 2010's).
    I already had a problem about mixing up lines for the '89 year so I must pay attention to check my votes until the very end, before posting.
    Here's the correction for 2009 :
    Show Spoiler

    2009 : 1. Messi; 2. Xavi; 3. Iniesta; 4. C. Ronaldo; 5. Eto'o
    (2010 : 1. Messi; 2. Iniesta; 3. Xavi ...)

    Thank you.
     
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  13. xShion

    xShion Member

    Barcelona
    Brazil
    Jan 23, 2022
    For me, from 2009 to 2019 (excluding 2014 and maybe 2016), Messi would take them all. He would not win 2020 and in 2021 he would win again.
     
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  14. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    I'll re-paste the full latest standings including 1988 and the 2009 correction after IceBlood confirms his 1988 order.

    Interestingly for 2010 I will be switching those two players the other way round (probably with a gap in between too, although for the World Cup itself I was one who gave Iniesta the edge and would still be inclined to think that way). If I do 2010 onwards too then I will need to consider how many Messi wins indeed, given the Ballon d'Or criteria (and not giving Pele a couple I previously indicated I might on another thread...in years when generally speaking it seems like he was the best player in the world I think), although despite the fact that Sneijder won the actual journalist portion of the vote in 2010 (and Xavi won the World Soccer vote for example) I do think it was within the traditional remit of the voters to look overall at the year and potentially vote for the top performer in general, and given that Messi was starring on the big stage at club level I could be inclined to still put him first in my vote probably for that year anyway).
     
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  15. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    I am terribly sorry for this mistake.
    Here is my updated ranking for 1988 :
    1988 (open)
    1. Van Basten 2. Gullit 3. Maradona 4. Rijkaard 5. Koeman

    Also, I don't know if you noticed this @PDG1978 but the voting points are not exactly the same as you did.
    1st = 6pts, 2nd = 4pts, 3rd = 3pts, 4th = 2pts and 5th= 1points (and not 1st=5pts,...)

    What is interesting and I think we can use this anyway, is that generally in the spirit of the Ballon d'Or when a player makes a big end of season and is the best player of the year it is often based on his performances between March and May (adding the summer for international competitions).
    So logically the players you put first in your list would probably be the ones in first place for a vote in October (apart from the exceptional case of C Ronaldo in 2013 for example).
    By the way, in your votes @Titanlux , did you consider the international competition among the season before or after?
     
  16. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    No problem mate - I made 'worse' mistakes counting the points the first time probably (corrected now, thanks to wm's help)! I had a feeling that that was what you meant originally (the top 5 and specifically the 4th placed player you put in this post now), but of course I needed to check rather than assume.

    I think you are right that typically March-May (and summer tournament) performances will be heavily weighed, and especially for players of teams that have great success. I think other things can still go a long way though: extremely good form at the end of one season and the start of the next one for example, or number of great performances by a player during the calendar year. December is interesting because feasibly it can be included to some extent still, but also could contribute to the votes of the following year I think (moreso than August, September....).

    I will revise the updated standings now then, following this post.
     
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  17. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    This is an easy mistake to make btw - I nearly did it a couple of times when compiling the latest standings (for the votes of me, you and IceBlood)! When the same players feature in two adjacent years on a list it can get tricky to look in the right place!

    Updated/corrected standings
    Latest overall points tallies (open)

    1956
    1. Di Stefano (15)
    2. Julinho (9)
    3. Kopa (8)
    4. Matthews (4)
    5= Edwards, Puskas (3)
    7. Schiaffino (2)
    8. Ocwirk (1)

    1957
    1. Di Stefano (15)
    2. Didi (12)
    3. Edwards (7)
    4. Charles (4)
    5= Julinho, Kopa (3)
    7. Sivori (1)

    1958
    1. Pele (14)
    2. Kopa (13)
    3. Didi (8)
    4. Fontaine (4)
    5. Di Stefano (3)
    6. Garrincha (2)
    7. Rahn (1)

    1959
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Di Stefano (12)
    3. Kopa (8)
    4. Suarez (6)
    5. Charles (3)
    6. Julinho (1)

    1960
    1. Pele (13)
    2. Puskas (12)
    3. Suarez (9)
    4. Yashin (8)
    5= Rocha, Di Stefano, Seeler (1)

    1961
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Sivori (11)
    3= Garrincha, Suarez (8)
    5. Haynes (2)
    6. Coutinho (1)

    1962
    1. Garrincha (15)
    2. Pele (12)
    3. Masopust (8)
    4. Eusebio (6)
    5. Rivera (2)
    6= Coutinho, Spencer (1)

    1963
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Rivera (12)
    3. Greaves (8)
    4= Amarildo, Law (3)
    6= Eusebio, Yashin (2)

    1964
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Law (11)
    3. Suarez (10)
    4. Amancio (4)
    5= Corso, Eusebio (2)
    7. Moore (1)

    1965
    1. Pele (15)
    2. Eusebio (12)
    3. Facchetti (7)
    4. Suarez (5)
    5. B.Charlton (3)
    6. Mazzola (2)
    7. Law (1)

    1966
    1. Eusebio (14)
    2. B.Charlton (13)
    3. Beckenbauer (8)
    4. Albert (5)
    5. Cruyff (3)
    6. Moore (2)

    1967
    1= Albert, B.Charlton (13)
    3. Johnstone (6)
    4. Best (5)
    5= Beckenbauer, Rocha (3)
    6= Cruyff, Gemmell (1)

    1968
    1. Best (14)
    2= Dzajic, Pele (10)
    4. B.Charlton (7)
    5= Beckenbauer, Rivera (2)

    1969
    1. Rivera (12)
    2. Pele (11)
    3. Tostao (8)
    4= Cruyff, Riva (5)
    6. Best (4)

    1970
    1. Pele (11)
    2. Jairzinho (9)
    3. Muller (7)
    4= Beckenbauer, Moore (5)
    6. Cruyff (3)
    7= Gerson, Tostao (2)
    8. Rivelino (1)

    1971
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Best (11)
    3. Mazzola (8)
    4. Beckenbauer (6)
    5. Netzer (3)
    6= Cubillas. Skoblar (1)

    1972
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Beckenbauer (12)
    3. Muller (8)
    4. Netzer (7)
    5. Jairzinho (3)

    1973
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Muller (12)
    3. Beckenbauer (9)
    4. Deyna (5)
    5. Zoff (3)
    6. Neeskens (1)

    1974
    1. Cruyff (15)
    2. Beckenbauer (11)
    3. Neeskens (10)
    4. Deyna (6)
    5. Lato (2)
    6. Muller (1)

    1975
    1. Blokhin (12)
    2= Beckenbauer, Figueroa (11)
    4. Breitner (3)
    5= Cruyff, Cubillas, Lato, Vogts (2)

    1976
    1. Beckenbauer (14)
    2= Rensenbrink, Zico (9)
    4. Rivelino (5)
    5. Keegan (4)
    6. Cruyff (2)
    7= Figueroa, Platini (1)

    1977
    1. Simonsen (11)
    2= Cruyff, Keegan, Platini (9)
    5. Zico (4)
    6. Bettega (2)
    7. Kempes (1)

    1978
    1. Kempes (15)
    2. Rensenbrink (11)
    3. Rossi (7)
    4= Dalglish, Krankl (4)
    6. Bettega (2)
    7= Dirceu, Shilton (1)

    1979
    1. Zico (13)
    2= Keegan, Maradona (10)
    4= Dalglish, Rummenigge (4)
    6. Falcao (3)
    7. Krol (1)

    1980
    1. Maradona (14)
    2. Rummenigge (12)
    3. Zico (9)
    4. Platini (5)
    5. Schuster (4)
    6. Ceulemans (1)

    1981
    1. Zico (14)
    2. Rummenigge (13)
    3. Maradona (9)
    4. Platini (4)
    5. Breitner (3)
    6= Falcao, Schuster (1)

    1982
    1. Rossi (13)
    2. Zico (10)
    3. Falcao (7)
    4= Giresse, Platini, Scirea, Socrates (3)
    8. Littbarski (2)
    9. Boniek (1)

    1983
    1. Platini (15)
    2. Zico (10)
    3. Falcao (9)
    4. Socrates (6)
    5. Dalglish (5)

    1984
    1. Platini (15)
    2. Tigana (12)
    3. Rush (6)
    4= Francescoli, Giresse (4)
    6. Elkjaer (3)
    7. Chalana (1)

    1985
    1. Platini (14)
    2. Maradona (13)
    3. Elkjaer (8)
    4. Schuster (5)
    5. Boniek, Borghi (2)
    7. Dassaev (1)

    1986
    1. Maradona (15)
    2. Lineker (9)
    3. Careca (8)
    4= Butragueno, Gullit (4)
    6= Belanov, Elkjaer (2)
    8. Burruchaga (1)

    1987
    1. Gullit (14)
    2. Maradona (10)
    3. Futre (9)
    4. Valderrama (4)
    5. Butragueno (3)
    6= Lineker, Sanchez (2)
    8. Michel (1)

    1988
    1. Van Basten (15)
    2= Gullit, Maradona (10)
    4= Baresi, Rijkaard (3)
    6. Stojkovic (2)
    7= Hoddle, R.Koeman (1)

    1989
    1. Van Basten (15)
    2= Baresi, Maradona (8)
    4. Matthaus (5)
    5. Bebeto (4)
    6. Romario (3)
    7. Stojkovic (2)

    1990
    1. Matthaus (15)
    2. Baresi (8)
    3. Gascoigne (7)
    4. Maradona (6)
    5. Schillaci (5)
    6. Stojkovic (2)
    7= Brehme, Van Basten (1)

    1991
    1. Papin (15)
    2. Savicevic (11)
    3. Matthaus (10)
    4. Waddle (6)
    5= M.Laudrup, Pancev, Prosinecki (1)

    1992
    1. Van Basten (11)
    2. M.Laudrup (10)
    3= Bergkamp, Stoichkov (8)
    5= Bebeto, Rai (3)
    7. B.Laudrup (2)

    1993
    1. R.Baggio (15)
    2. M.Laudrup (8)
    3= Bergkamp, Cantona (7)
    5. Romario (5)
    6= Abedi Pele, Boksic, Maldini (1)

    1994
    1. Romario (15)
    2. R.Baggio (11)
    3= Maldini, Stoichkov (7)
    5. Hagi (4)
    6. Savicevic (1)

    1995
    1. Weah (15)
    2. Litmanen (9)
    3. Klinsmann (7)
    4. M.Laudrup (6)
    5. Maldini (4)
    6. Zola (2)
    7= Overmars, Savicevic (1)

    1996
    1. Ronaldo (14)
    2. Sammer (10)
    3. Weah (9)
    4. Shearer (5)
    5. Klinsmann (4)
    6. Suker (2)
    7. Del Piero (1)

    1997
    1. Ronaldo (15)
    2. Zidane (11)
    3. Bergkamp (5)
    4= Mijatovic, R.Carlos (4)
    6. Del Piero (3)
    7. Zola (2)
    8. Figo (1)

    1998
    1. Zidane (14)
    2. Ronaldo (13)
    3= Bergkamp, Suker (6)
    5. Rivaldo (4)
    6. Owen (2)

    1999
    1. Rivaldo (13)
    2= Beckham, Shevchenko (10)
    4. Figo (8)
    5. Raul (2)
    6= Batistuta, Yorke (1)

    2000
    1. Zidane (14)
    2. Figo (13)
    3. Shevchenko (8)
    4. Totti (5)
    5. Henry (3)
    6. Raul (2)

    2001
    1. Figo (15)
    2. Raul (8)
    3. Totti (7)
    4= Owen, Zidane (5)
    6= Beckham, Pires (2)
    8. Shevchenko (1)

    2002
    1= Ronaldo, Zidane (13)
    3. Ballack (6)
    4. R.Carlos (5)
    5. Ronaldinho (4)
    6. Henry (2)
    7= Kahn, Rivaldo (1)

    2003
    1. Henry (14)
    2. Nedved (12)
    3. Zidane (8)
    4. Van Nistelrooy (5)
    5= Maldini, Ronaldo (2)
    7= Nesta, Shevchenko (1)

    2004
    1. Ronaldinho (14)
    2. Shevchenko (13)
    3. Deco (8)
    4. Henry (7)
    5= Adriano, Kaka, Zagorakis (1)

    2005
    1. Ronaldinho (15)
    2. Lampard (10)
    3. Henry (9)
    4. Eto'o (5)
    5. Gerrard (3)
    6. Kaka (2)
    7. Shevchenko (1)

    2006
    1. Cannavaro (14)
    2. Zidane (9)
    3. Henry (7)
    4. Ronaldinho (6)
    5. Kaka (5)
    6= Eto'o, Pirlo (2)

    2007
    1. Kaka (15)
    2. C.Ronaldo (12)
    3. Messi (9)
    4. Pirlo (4)
    5= Drogba, Gerrard (2)
    6. Seedorf (1)

    2008
    1. C.Ronaldo (15)
    2. Messi (12)
    3. Torres (9)
    4. Xavi (4)
    5. Arshavin (3)
    6= Casillas, Villa (1)

    2009
    1. Messi (15)
    2. Xavi (10)
    3. Iniesta (9)
    4. C.Ronaldo (8)
    5. Eto'o (3)
     
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  18. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Again mate, the first one takes 6 points and not 5pts so for example Pelé in 1961, should have 6x3 = 18 points and for example in 1958, 6 x 2 (12) + 4x1 = 16 points ;)
     
  19. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Sorry, I forgot to address that part yeah (I wasn't trying to ignore it though).

    I think traditionally it was 5 points (as shown on rsssf like this page for 1958):
    European Footballer of the Year ("Ballon d'Or") 1958 (rsssf.com)

    I guess you mean that in 2021 the first placed players get allocated 6 points though, and that you prefer to back-date this method to other years too? I guess an alternative could be to use 5 points, but to consider number of 1st places as a tie breaker in the event two players ended on the same points (and then number of 2nd places, 3rd places etc if necessary too)?

    It is your thread though so of course if you still want to use 6 points I can change the standings accordingly (so each voter would be allocating 16 points between the selected players voted for each time). It is a bit like in Formula 1 where there was an increase in the gap between 1st and 2nd place at some point, for each race, I suppose, rewarding the 1st places more.

    Maybe @wm442433 has some ideas and input about this? Anyway, for now I suppose the method is the same as for in reality between 1956 and 2009, but just with all players considered worldwide, rather than only Europeans or from 1995 onwards those playing in Europe, like was the case with the original Ballon d'Or (European Player of the Year, while of course there was a separate South American Player of the Year award...or two of them at some moments).
     
  20. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Oh I didn't know that before it was 5 points for the first and so on.
    But if we want to be close to the spirit of the Ballon d'Or, it would be better to do as you said, because we must take into account how the Ballon d'Or was at the time and get closer, so let's stay like that, it's a mistake on my part ;)
     
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  21. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Ok mate - it's your choice of course, but it makes sense that you would have not been aware of it originally being 5 points when you made your previous comments. To be honest I wasn't aware of it being 6 points now (maybe because often the points tallies are shown but not the number of 1st place votes, 2nd place votes etc, on places like Wikipedia or websites that report on the results - I'm sure in France Football itself there is still a breakdown...).

    If you think you'd like it to be changed to 6 points from 2010 onwards, or from 2020 onwards or whatever, in any extended list of standings (if I would eventually calculate those too) then let me know of course
     
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  22. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021
    Hey mate,
    Indeed this story of the passage between 5 and 6 points for the winner was unknown to me.
    I guess the change to 6 points was made when the Ballon d'Or was handed over to FIFA in 2010?
    Since then I have the impression that FranceFootball has kept this distribution since 2016, but the first place is worth more points than before, so it might be interesting to make this rating in parallel with the current rating, just for fun haha!

    By the way, I can't wait to see your votes for the years after 2009, do we keep the 5 or 6pts ratings for those years?
     
  23. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    It looks like for the FIFA Ballon d'Or period each voter voted for 3 players from the shortlist and gave them 5 points, 3 points and 1 point respectively for 1st, 2nd and 3rd. Although the results are presented as percentages (percentage of available points I guess? - that would mean about 55 to 56% would be the maximum i.e if everyone gave a player 5 points from the available 9 (5+3+1=9))
    FIFA Ballon d'Or - Wikipedia

    I know there are some breakdowns online about which people voted for which players though, and they've been discussed a bit on this forum before I remember. The shortlists were set by a jury I think weren't they?

    I'm guessing you prefer to stick with 5 players rather than 3 for those years too though (as if it was the traditional Ballon d'Or), but yeah 6 points for 1st (if you wanted) might reflect the increased gap between 1st and 2nd. The only question is whether we should be consistent between all years (with 5 points for 1st, or even changing it to 6 if you wanted). In a way it might be more interesting voting for 5 players each anyway in these years as given all worldwide players were eligible otherwise it'd be too much a copy of what happens in reality (which 2021 will still be though, and theoretically 2020, plus back to 2016).
     
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  24. IceBlood34

    IceBlood34 Member

    Montpellier HSC
    France
    Jan 27, 2021

    Ok, so we stay on the historical and traditional method of 5pts for 1st, 4pts for 2nd, 3pts for 3rd, 2pts for 4th and 1 point for 5th, for a list of 5 players, is it ok?

    Can you also add the results of @Titanlux , considering that for the season 2008/2009, for him it would correspond to a Ballon d'Or 2009, and so on?

    Do not hesitate to make your classification, as soon as you feel able to. ;)
     
  25. PDG1978

    PDG1978 Member+

    Mar 8, 2009
    Club:
    Nottingham Forest FC
    Sure yeah, seems good to me if you like it that way.
    I feel like on this one it'd be best if anything to compile season votes and calendar year votes separately. It is a different basis of voting, although I suppose if we ended up with an equal number of voters for seasons as for calendar years it could end up as an overall aggregate impression of overlapping periods when combining them and could be quite good (also if it had happened in reality maybe)!

    My instinct would say keeping them separate would be best though, for now at least (and maybe having the same people vote for calendar years and also for seasons...although I suppose with the Ballon d'Or style calendar year votes we were already leaning towards considering the end of the previous calendar year to some extent, and the patterns of form over the ended season and new season probably, with emphasis especially on the end of the season between March and the summer like you said).
     
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