Ballon D'or 2013 thread

Discussion in 'The Beautiful Game' started by ---Z---, Dec 12, 2012.

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  1. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    So you're saying Falcao is better than both Messi and Ronaldo? Man, the quality of Bigsoccer has dropped worse than the German Mark after WWI.
     
  2. s7kru

    s7kru Red Card

    Dec 13, 2012
    Club:
    Real Madrid
    The difference is huge but that doesn't mean it's a weak league.

    Goals are scored in the opponent's box most of the time, in case you didn'' know.

    Which is obviously hte case when you score so many goals, or do you think he scores his goals from 50 yards each time?
     
  3. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    Personally, I wouldn't go anywhere near that far. But the Falcao example helps put Messi and Ronaldo's goal scoring records a bit more into context. Don't get me wrong, scoring 35-45 league goals in a season is special, but its a bit less special when someone else at a weaker team is getting 30. It's not like the French league where nobody can even score 20, so getting 35-45 would be quite amazing. Or the English league where even Gareth Bale averages like 15-20 goals per season.

    Of course Messi and Ronaldo do a lot more than score which makes them far better than Falcao.
     
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  4. BocaFan

    BocaFan Member+

    Aug 18, 2003
    Brooklyn, NY
    It's weak relative to Barca and Madrid. That's why Bale scores 7 goals in 7 games while he's still adapting and struggling for fitness, but even after years of playing in his UK-homeland a healthy Bale couldn't get more than 15-20 goals in a full season.
     
  5. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    Go to post #1953 , BocaFan explained perfectly what I was trying to say.
     
  6. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    I don't think you're giving Falcao enough credit. This is the same guy that holds the record for goals in an UEFA Cup season. Might not be the Champions League but that is still damn impressive and not shocking that a player with a record like that could score 28 goals in a season with the talent Atletico had around him.
     
  7. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    That means that he often plays as a forward, so no need to talk about this ''winger'' bullshit...
     
  8. Mysterious

    Mysterious Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Chicago
    Just fuk off now, you are a deluded douchebag of the highest order, excuses don't equal "concrete logic". You're a blow-hard who lacks the slightest common sense. 1.5 weeks to rest when they just played the weekend in the CDR? [​IMG]

    I wonder how a top team like Celtic as you called them had nothing to play for, not even wanting to honor their status as a world elite...
     
  9. Mysterious

    Mysterious Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Chicago
    Who's manipulating stats? Other than bada bing? I found it funny you take a hard-line on GPG ratio's when it's Ronaldo averaging a 1.21. You'll have to show me this stance in your post history when it was Messi in 2012.
     
  10. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Again, reported for personal insults. This is how you talk? First you troll, then when people answer to you with logic and reason, you turn on the insults? Barcelona rested multiple players, like example Neymar who you praised, in CDR.

    You're a perfect example of a Cronaldo "fan".
     
  11. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    nope its actually why Ronaldo is underrated...

    its never about football with Ronaldo.

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    To be seen again in 2013..


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  12. Mysterious

    Mysterious Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Chicago
    How ridiculous to argue that a 19-23 year old Ronaldo 'didn't score 50 goals in England." Let's not mention that he has matured and reached his peak years while in Spain in addition to completely altering his body and game to score the way that he does today.
     
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  13. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    ya but when Ronaldo wins something,

    Messi will win for scoring more goals...

    thats how it works.
     
  14. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    Messi was never awarded with Golden Ball having ZERO trophies, also Messi has way more assists than Ronaldo every season
     
  15. ---Z---

    ---Z--- Member+

    Cagalhao
    Nov 2, 2005
    CAMPEAO
    Club:
    Sporting CP Lisbon
    Nat'l Team:
    Portugal
    Ronaldo won la liga in 2012 having a great seaosn, but MEssi scored more goals and won copa del rey....

    Guess copa del rey > All.
     
  16. Mysterious

    Mysterious Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Chicago
    In case you haven't noticed the only one who sees reason and logic in your posts is you. That's the nature of a squad by the way, player's being injured or rested at given times during the course of a season while other players are there to replace. Hence Barcelona being a team.....(group of players) Who without Messi beat Celtic 6-1 who you annointed a top team when according to you they can't score goals without his brilliance. Outscored opponents 10-2 in last two matches...WITHOUT MESSI!

    There's your reasoning and logic. You are henceforth full of sh1t.
     
  17. Mysterious

    Mysterious Member

    Jun 18, 2007
    Chicago
    Technically, 3 different teams in 3 different countries. Founded in 2012...:D
     
  18. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Messi was the best player of 2012 La Liga. Like he was 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013.
     
  19. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah I was referring to Bada Bing manipulating stats. You are so blinded by the guard that you have put up trying to defend Ronaldo that you attack anyone that praises Messi, even if they are agreeing with you. My stance on Messi's 2012 season was that he was the best player in the world based on the way he played, but was still less impressive than the 2011 season where he scored less goals but was more electric.
     
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  20. Jaweirdo

    Jaweirdo Member+

    Aug 19, 2011
    Club:
    Arsenal FC
    Yeah but Messi played better.
     
  21. waitforit

    waitforit Member+

    Dec 3, 2010
    Valcea
    Club:
    FC Steaua Bucuresti
    Nat'l Team:
    Romania
    When Sneijder wins the treble he deserves the award. When Ribery does that: what did he do to deserve it?
    Also Messi din't simply outscore everyone. He did it by double digits
     
  22. Zlatko2010

    Zlatko2010 Member

    Mar 16, 2013
    Yeah, that was really strange considering that Ronaldo was close to Messi's stats : 64 - 70 for goals and 16-27 for assists.
     
  23. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Please quote where I've manipulated statistics. Thanks.
     
  24. Bada Bing

    Bada Bing Member+

    Jul 13, 2012
    Finland
    Club:
    FC Barcelona
    Nat'l Team:
    Argentina
    Every logical person sees the true logic in my posts. It's that simple really. I've no problems of people exposing themselves, disagreeing with me, or attacking me.

    Like I concluded previously, Celtic had nothing to play for and Barca had with a good rest. When Celtic had something to play for, Barcelona could score 1 goal, after Celtic player got sent off. That's logic and reason for you.
     
  25. benficafan3

    benficafan3 Member+

    Nov 16, 2005
    Funny how you seemed to have forgotten the rather large factor of how Sneijder scored 5 game-winning goals that took his country to their first World Cup final in decades. But hey, if it doesn't fit your argument, why include it right?
     

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