Bad news for Brazil?

Spain is still the favorite. people keep talking about Xavi and Iniesta getting old but they forget about Thiago,Cazorla, Busquets,Silva,Tello etc. people said the same thing before Euro 2012 h and look what happened. Spain has depth in the midfield the reason I think they will lose is because somebody will figure out to stop the tiki taka style. Either through saturating the midfield(3-5-2 or 3-4-3) to clog up passing lanes with effective counter attack or by keep pressing Spains defense by winning the midfield battle. To defeat Spain you need to win the midfield battle. There are a couple of teams out there that have the talent in the midfield to do the Spanish job. Some team will figure it all out.

 

Again: I'm not saying Spain will succeed in 2014. But that's different from saying they are no contender.

Look at it objectively, people get old etc? You know, Spain won Euro 2012. How quickly can you get **** from that? Not in two years, when you have depth like Spain does. Puyol didn't play, neither did Villa. Goalkeeping als is not a worry to Spain, even if Casillas wouldn't play. They'd still have, say, the starting keepers of clubs like Barca and ManU in their squad. Age is not a worry to Spain - lots and lots of not-too-old players in Spain.

Bottomline: Spain has weaknesses, sure, and they are far from given to succeed - but like it or not, they're one of the biggest favourites (if not the biggest) in 2014. Previous champions have failed before, but it doesn't mean that a reigning champion should pre-tournament not considered a favourite - especially when they've continuously played like champions after their WC win, and their players shine at top club level as well.

That said: I'm cool agreeing to disagree, as this really is a subject that if you think Spain is no serious contender in 2014, there's not much one can say. I mean, reasonable debate is forgotten at that point.

 

Puyol and Villa played no part in their Euro triumph, so why would it matter that they're not part of the side anymore?

 

Hmm south americans using history, to debate a team that's broken history, and made history.

 

9 already made it to the quarters with 17 more still playing

that alone is more players than the amount of germans playing outside their country


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when you have a good league, you don't need to play outside of your country

 

Still not as many as the number of germans who are still going in the CL despite almost all of them playing domestically...boom

 

you both sound like english fans.....the typical response you get from them when you ask them why not many english players are playing overseas they say is because they have the best league in the world and rather stay in a low level english team than a big club overseas
the fact is the talent is just not there and that's why the arent many overseas..... if they were world class great players the big clubs will come calling just like ozil and khedira.... staying to play with bayern munich is one thing because that's as big a club as any in the world but that's the only big club in germany
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So true, Dortmund is a crap club that only finished first in a group with the English champions, the Spanish Champions, and the Dutch champions. Any chump who stays with them clearly doesn't have the class of someone like Neymar, who's proving his class at a world class club...

 

Also I totally agree that the german CL clubs are exactly the same as english CL clubs, corporate teams filled with imports that only achieve their success because of those foreigners, I mean look at Dortmund, 1 of their 5 best players isn't german! That's disgraceful, if they were any good the entire starting 11 would be only germans!...

 

which one is it now? try to synchronize your arguments because you are saying the exact opposite.

 

You forgot money and comfort as possible reasons. Which is exactly the same reasons that many Brazilian fan boys cite when they proclaim that the Brazilian league will dominate in the future: since Brazilian clubs may in the future be able to pay higher salaries, Brazilians might be less inclined to leave the comforts of home.

PS: Dortmund outclassed both the English and Spanish champions in the CL.

 

My point was that it's obviously a sign of how useless players are if they don't move onto a big club, like the dortmund kids and Neymar, if they had any real class they'd play for Barca, Real, Juve or United.

 

2 different people that happen to be trying to argue the same point, but are using contradictory reasoning.

 

Brasil should never have bid to host. Every other longtime power that's won the Cup has won at home, and that just puts more pressure on the Selecao. No previous winner has hosted twice without winning.

 

The original poster I was replying to was trying to imply that there werent many good brasilians playing in europe by asking how many were making it to the quarterfinals. It's be proven time and time again no other country export more players and more talent than brasil with thousands playing around the world.


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