I was very disappointed to read Bruce Arena (my all time favorite coach) comment about CCL, I read on the record newspaper (don't have the link) that this tournament is very hard on MLS clubs and why the league is putting so much into it, he wouldn't mind not even taking part in it, would he feel that way if he would get a job in a european club? he would be fired if he would say that across the pond about the champs league, this is a prestigious tournament that leads you to play the top teams in the world if you win, how about less friendlies or if I would have to complain about a tournament it wouldn't be CCL but the USOC, how to play MLS, USOP and CCL in one year, maybe if you qualify for CCL you wouldn't play USOC...but he's comments were upsetting.
As a Caps fan, I would rather see the Caps win MLS Cup than the Champions League. MLS cup wins would be taken a lot more seriously by MLS fans than the Champions League title. The only positive for the Champions League win is a visit to the Club World Cup to get some international attention.
Wow, it's not even close. I would take the CL title over MLS any day. Winning CL would mean winning a path through Costa Rica, Honduras and ultimately Mexico. Going into a club like Santos or Monterrey and holding your ground to win a continental title would get you infinitely more recognition than an MLS title ... Nevermind the prestige of playing a Chelsea and Corinthians would dwarf anything else that could ever happen in the history of my club.
Interesting.. Yesterday on the weekly Dynamo special on our houston NBC affiliate, the host asked Kinnear about CCL and MLS season and the congestion and Kinnear says it's what happens when your successful. to be in this tournament and something you know it's coming and can't hide and have to work in your schedule but from international play, players get great experience and that's how the Stu Holden's and Geoff Cameron's get their start and become the players they are today I would love to see a MLS team win this tournament i know they post the episodes online, it happened yesterday so i'll search for link Edit: took away the word luxury because he did not say that.
if you want this league to grow it has to do a lot more than win many MLS cups, it has to show that it can compete outside it's borders, beat Mexican clubs on a regular basis and not be blown away by euro teams, plus the money that comes in for achieving international success.
This is somewhat of a falsehood. Even if an MLS team were to beat Manchelsealona in the Club World Cup, the "fans" of those teams would just claim the tournament isn't important. The amount you gain from doing that isn't necessarily as much as you can do within our borders.
I believe the complaint was on the quality of concacaf refs. Im sure Arena understands the importance of the competition and why the galaxy have to participate. the ref in that ccl game was terrible so for our team to be in the middle of our playoff push and to make time for the competition is tough but to have our hard work, as well as the hard work of all the teams, be rewarded with terrible officiating is frustrating and im sure annoying
Of all the people, he should be the one to know this. He's been to a lot of Gold Cups / WCQ before joining the Galaxy. Anyway, I don't see how sending two DP's (considering the third one have a valid reason not to be there) to be equivalent to not caring?
J. Peñaloza Soto Is not a bad ref, but yes all refs do make mistakes and have their own issues, Mexican refs being quick to give cards, Tobago refs only giving them if the player has a broken leg and so on. I mean is not like people do not complain about their local refs. I guess all Concacaf fans probably argue that their local refs are the worst in the world, until they get a ref from a different Concacaf nation Edit: you get this in Europe also, Brits complain that the refs allow too much diving, Spaniards complain that refs let players get away with fouls.
well once he's in it he will give it a shot to win it , doesn't mean he will throw the game away because he doesn't like it.
Sucks to hear him say that as well, Jason Kreis is the one passionate about winning this thing. I think if LAG or Houston make it as far they will feel the same.
No MLS coach ever lost their job over a champions league campaign, lots of lost their jobs because of poor MLS performances.
give it time. There's been a much bigger sample size of MLS coaches coaching/competing in league play than in CCL (or any confederational competition) over the years. If MLS really wants to make something of itself, it's going to have to start firing coaches for "unacceptable champions league campaigns" at some point -- if that happens anywhere else around the world. although, truly the CL type events are just extra/bonus competitions -- and although they're great for the fans/leagues to see how their domestic teams "stack up" against international/regional competition, the primary focus for most clubs and coaches around the world regularly seems to be on their domestic cups. (of course, anyone can point to clubs that are "focused" on things like the CL -- because those teams are doing "well" in those competitions at the time.) but only a small sub-set of all clubs are in regional/international competitions like the CL, so for those teams it is difficult to balance those multiple competitions (domestic and international) while other teams within the domestic league benefit from the lighter scheduling and sole focus on just the domestic league competition.
I agree. I will add a few thoughts: These types of events are some important in many areas because for a good portion of the field the domestic title may be out of reach at the time of the Cup thanks to single table. Of course, as fans I am going to put all my passion into a tournament win given that my team is out of the league race (or has no chance to start with). Secondly, and more importantly, until such time as MLS teams have deeper and larger squads to pull from this tourney will always play second fiddle (as will USOC). It is a different perspective when a coach can trot out 11 reservists that can be competitive or even dominant in early rounds of these tourneys. In MLS that is much more difficult to consistently provide a dominant team full of bench players. That means that to put on a superior show, MLS must play a combination of starters in either league or Cup competition. As long as our depth is not as strong and our rosters are small, we will always have the congestion issue and they will always choose MLS over CCL.
I guess Arena longs for the days when you could crown yourself CONCACAF champion in a total of three games where all other teams in the region have to travel to your home stadium (see DC United in 1998.) This version of course requires actual planning and tough playing time decisions. Something Arena failed at miserably in the quarterfinals earlier this year.
And Sigi. This is why I don't think Dynamo is worthy of being in the MLS Cup finals. Such Dom's mentality. But of course, I don't know if Vermes thinks the same too. Let's see next year. If I'm not mistaken, one coach retained his job even after losing the first 9 MLS games because they did well in CCL.
That makes no sense what so ever. Teams are worthy by winning. You either do or you don't. His (or any coaches) view on another competition has nothing to do with worth of a seperate competition.
That's your opinion. You're a HOU fan. I don't challenge it. You seem to agree with your coach, I suppose.
No, you could put Arena's name in there, who I am not a fan of. Your comment still makes no sense. It is not opinion that it follows no logical path to tie worthiness of MLS Cup to whether a coach send reserves to a CCL competition.