Augusta National Golf Club finally makes it to the 20th Century

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  1. argentine soccer fan

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    Jan 18, 2001
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  2. JohnR

    JohnR Member+

    Jun 23, 2000
    Chicago, IL
    They get a black also -- a twofer! And no divisive politics, a good honest Republican.
     
  3. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

    Mar 17, 2004
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    Martha Burke is claiming victory. Time to move on.
     
  4. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
  5. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Amateur golf's gone crazy- biggest driver head I've ever seen in my life, even with the angle and the fact that she may be somewhat petite. And she scares the ball into the hole with a look. What's fair about having an advantage like that?

    At least she can wear her green jacket to the next anniversary of the 16th street Baptist Church bombing. Fit right in with the families and friends of the victims...
     
  6. ceezmad

    ceezmad Member+

    Mar 4, 2010
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    I take members of the Augusta club bombed that church?
     
  7. Auriaprottu

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    Atlanta Damn United
    Apr 1, 2002
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    No, that was a reference to her giving a speech or something in Birmingham at the 42nd anniversary of the incident.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/23/national/23rice.html

    I was as appalled as anyone that she would be invited to speak by the very people her administration sought to marginalize.
     
  8. soccernutter

    soccernutter Moderator
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    Aug 22, 2001
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    And she should not want to become a member of The Club? I have no love for her, but this seems a bit nose/face.
     
  9. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    I don't believe in running behind people's segregated businesses if you can destroy them instead. Augusta National's waaaay too big to be taken down, but Condie knows she's just the sort of Black person they'd take in to fill the requirement, so to speak. A flag would have gone up if she'd been the sort to oppose being used. Augusta doesn't generally (as in, ever AFAIK) announce new members- this is nothing more than a PR move.

    That said, my post was really my opinion about her being an inappropriate speaker for the bombing anniversary.
     
  10. argentine soccer fan

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    I think those who want to see more women and minorities at Augusta miss the point. Augusta and places like that are always going to be elitist. They are for people who don't want to mingle with common folk. If they do get women and minorities, they'll still be elitist. They'll just get the most elitist women and minorities. (Condi being a good example). So they get a woman, and a minority one to boot. Now what's the difference? Augusta still hasn't changed.
     
  11. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    The media was doing backflips for Augusta this week. What a joke. Didn't they get their first black member in 1990 after Shoal Creek was also called out for not having black members? IIRC they also had a policy that all caddies be black. Everything they've done is to save face/protect their gig with CBS. What a POS organization, even for golf.
     
  12. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Sep 21, 2002
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    So now that Augusta has moved boldly into the future when will Lucille Roberts accept it's first male member?
     
  13. cleansheetbsc

    cleansheetbsc Member+

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    Are you the Martha of this cause? Will you be out protesting? Will Christine Brennan write a piece about you?
     
  14. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Just pointing out the obvious double standard. I'm too busy to actually care about the results.
     
  15. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Augusta's elitism was never the point. Their exclusion of people of color (regardless of their social or financial status) was/is. I haven't seen anyone lobby for them to admit poor women or poor Black or brown men.

    Agreed.

    I'm not sure (you're probably right), but the Shoal Creek issue was a disgrace. After they backtracked on then-chairman Hall Thompson's comments...

    In the months before the 1990 PGA Championship which was to be played in August at the club, Thompson was approached by a reporter from the Birmingham Post-Herald who asked about the club's admission policies, with Thompson noting the inclusion of Jews and women as members, saying that "we don't discriminate in every other area except blacks"... -wiki, FWIW

    ...a local Black businessman named Louis Willie allowed himself to be used (agreed when asked to join, membership/initiation fees waived) so that Shoal Creek could host the 1990 PGA Championship. N****r didn't even play golf.

    The policy that all caddies would be Black doesn't save face- does exactly the opposite, in fact. It reinforces the belief that Black people exist to serve Whites. Former chairman Clifford Roberts is alleged to have said that, as long as he lived, all the golfers would be White and all the caddies would be Black.
     
  16. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Reminds me of the old Chappelle bit:

    Travelling has made me a racism conossieur. It's different from region to region. Anyone ever been down South? The racism down there...is MWAA...perfect. Stewed to a perfection. It's comfortable, out in the open. There are no secrets in Mississippi. Everybody knows the deal. "Morning n*gger." "Morning, sir"

    (starts around 1:00 mark)

     
  17. argentine soccer fan

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    But I'm not talking about being rich or poor. I guess what I mean is, you can't just sign up for Augusta. If they had a requirement, no matter how ridiculous -lets say membership costs a million dollars, you have to have won a nobel prize and you have to have a handicap lower than two- still whoever meets those requirements would be allowed to join. But there are no requisites. They pick and choose whoever they want. Like that old nightclub in New York that had the people line up outside and they only let in those they considered beautiful enough for them. So, my point is, if they choose one black lady, -or two or three- that doesn't change Augusta. They are still picking whoever they want arbitrarily based on their own prejudices.
     
  18. Auriaprottu

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    I don't think we're in disagreement.
     
  19. roadkit

    roadkit Greetings from the Fringe of Obscurity

    Jul 2, 2003
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    I think part of the reason Augusta finally folded was because some of the young guns of the PGA were calling them out for their exclusionary/racist membership policies.

    The writing was on the wall: they needed to change or they'd become irrelevant. You can't have The Masters if none of the marquee players will come to the tournament. It's probably a little strong for an analogy, but Augusta would become like Sun City.
     
  20. Matt in the Hat

    Matt in the Hat Moderator
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    Nonsense. The Masters is The Masters.
     
  21. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    My guess is that none of those players have the moral upbringing to have actually passed on playing Augusta or any other club with a continuing history of exclusion based on skin color. Hell, guys like Lee Elder were trying to get in in the 70s instead of saying "I'll show up when you grow up".

    Dude, most people reach a point where their decisions are made with themselves in mind, and even those who understand that dehumanization takes many forms and come in all sizes often find themselves saying, "Well, that's good enough for now". Sun City is part of a country where the dehumanization was much more visible and (to the uninitiated) worse than the USA during the same time. And Sun City's more like Vegas or Atlantic City than like Augusta- it has no history that makes people want to show up and perform. It was just a place where you can get paid more. OTOH, the Masters is a tournament most golfers want to be a part of even if they have to set their values aside.
     
  22. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    Golfers for the most part are conservative. Most but not all came from the country club set or are very familiar with it from having to play in country clubs. Most obviously are white. It would've been nice for Tiger to make a stink when he first came up (and dominated) at the Masters. But Tiger doesn't have that in him.
     
  23. Auriaprottu

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    Apr 1, 2002
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    Oh, I'm sure that environment has helped shape the mentality of a lot of PGA pros.

    No, he doesn't. I don't think anyone expected him to, and he didn't disappoint. I still cheer for him to win majors, tho, because I know Fuzzy Zoeller has as many ideological fans as Tiger has/had golf fans, if not more.
     
  24. argentine soccer fan

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    What do you call 90 white guys chasing one black guy?

    The Masters Tournament. :D

    Ok, that's bad.
     
  25. Cascarino's Pizzeria

    Apr 29, 2001
    New Jersey, USA
    But for a good decade or more Tiger was the most popular athlete probably on the planet. If he just once said "Know what? I think it would be nice to see a woman member at Augusta. All of the other great clubs have one." Something as mild as that could've put the screws to those rednecks in Augusta where they would've had to come around quicker. Instead Tiger, the king of the lameass go-along-to-get-along sound bite (like Derek Jeter), dodged the issue at every opportunity.

    Gutless.

    And unless he can hit a straight drive, Tiger ain't winning shit at a major again. These youngsters don't fear him one bit like Duval and Mickelson did.

    Edit: found this petition online:

    • Target: Tiger Woods, International Management Group; William Johnson, Chairman of the Augusta National Golf Club, Augusta National Golf Club
    We, the undersigned, urge Tiger Woods to boycott the upcoming Masters golf tournament until the club admits women members. Because of your powerful position in the golf world, and your influence on young golfers, you have a unique power and responsibility. Like it or not, your decision to play or not to play will be a strong statement given the recent tremendous public outcry against the sexist policies of the club. Please support equal rights!
     

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