Auf geht's, Jungs: German Youth Discussion Thread Vol. V

02 CF Pakia is FINALLY back from his LONG ass OUT.

Pherai war heute beim Spiel der zweiten, zum Support seines alten Mitspielers und Freund Ware Pakia. Beide kennen sich aus Dortmund.

Sehr schön, dich wieder auf dem Platz zu sehen Ware!#hsvyoungtalents #nurderhsv #hsvU21 #hamburgnachwuchs pic.twitter.com/kBWX6ic8eF

— HSV Talentwatch (@HSVTalentwatch) December 10, 2023

DAMN he hasn't played for realz since like 2020 too.....surprised that he never quit after such a long out.

was a highly rated CF prospect pre-destroyed by injury phase. On his 20 min showings today
"Today he immediately indicated what he was capable of. Incredible speed and strong dribbling. I hope he finally stays fit."

 

Why do so many players make this mistake? He ain't gonna get regular playing time at Liverpool if he moves this summer, which at his age is crucial. Also like you say just 1 real season at 1BL and then bail, potentially to EPL isn't enough experience. You see a lot of Dutch & French youngsters do the same, move clubs or move abroad early and then don't play enough and stagnate.

Hoffenheim look like EL contenders anyway, so why not stay another year at a club you are comfortable, trusted and can play in Europe?

On Knauff, was funny how his performance literally forced Davies off at half time lol.

 

Tanti auguri a Arijon Ibrahimovic 🎁🎉🥳
Il calciatore giallazzurro compie oggi 18 anni

➡️ https://t.co/FTsQwRTelq pic.twitter.com/exY4g87tzW

— Frosinone Calcio (@Frosinone1928) December 11, 2023

Looked bright again yesterday, was close to creating a couple of goals. Already becoming a regular xi and only just turned 18.

 

-Kicker XI of 1BL=02 W Knauff (repost)
-Kicker XI of 2BL=03 GK Urbig (back to back)

-03 LB Brown of 2BL FCN is a go to 1BL Frankfurt.

🚨 As revealed one week ago: Nathaniel #Brown will join @Eintracht in summer! It’s a done deal ✔️ Only the medical check is missing now.

➡️ Contract until 2029
➡️ Around €3m transfer fee
➡️ Possible bonus payments €2-2.5m.

Total package can amount up to €5.5m! Depending… pic.twitter.com/bNwSNZ1IHa

— Florian Plettenberg (@Plettigoal) December 11, 2023

-interesting too,
"Next #SGE target: Can Uzun! Krösche is pushing for him … Brown & Uzun, close friends."

so the German dev CF Uzun who DFB is still trying to win over, could move to 1BL in Summer. Frankfurt has become a club that overall is more about buying Germans with pro exp over Academy. Although 05 RB Baum (2 pro caps) and 02 W Futkeu (1 pro cap) both got chances this season from II. Curious to what they do with Collins, Raebiger, Wenig, Ghotra, Gebuhr etc.

curious as to the plan, Matanovic+Uzun both emerged from 2BL clubs......if both block the Spanish 04-Ferri, I'll take it, LOL.

when it comes to Frankfurt and CFs, LOL.
03-Matanovic, maybe 05-Uzun, 06-Alaoui=3/3 poached

we likely have to wait for 07-Souza and 08-Staff

including Ferri, they have 1 per age group, LOL.

 

I think Hoff is also pushing for sale as he's looking like headed for top 5 biggest transfer out at the club. With Asllani and Moerstedt they likely see they have other options to replace him.

but yeah the French and Dutch youth are some of the very quick to bail types and for majority it doesn't end up well as you mentioned.

Schade also did it too, 1 real breakthrough season=bailed to EPL and as he started to finally click=long term injury......

I actually don't like our players leaving Germany tbh, especially if still young, its fine if they go 1st Abroad not other top 4 leagues. A player like Beier I'm worried that bailing this early could screw him over.

Knauff just need to find consistency, he can look very good 1 match but then more eh in another. Still some raw aspect but we've seen him destroy teams like Barcelona and others as Frankfurt won EL. So him destroying Davies is something he can do too.

Needs a DFB upping whether U20 or U21. I would go U20 along with Wanner.

 

some RB updates,
-04 RB/CB Morgalla could play his 1st CL XI tomorrow and 3rd XI of season for RB Salzburg.
https://www.kicker.de/salzburg-bangt-um-einsatz-von-ulmer-983974/artikel#omrss

-04 RB/LB Kisilowski who played 2 back to back caps including 45 min over weekend (longest yet) could play his 1st ever XI for 2BL HSV due to 2 fullback suspended to cards, LOL.
https://www.kicker.de/zwei-spiele-s...v-in-nuernberg-und-auf-schalke-984030/artikel

-05 RB Baum of 1BL Frankfurt might play his 1st XI ever on Thursday in Europe. If not would presume might get like entire 2nd half as the match is pointless.

Jubiläen können so gegensätzlich sein 👇🥰

Makoto Hasebe 🟰 300 Pflichtspiele für die Eintracht
Elias Baum 🟰 @Bundesliga_DE-Debüt

👏👏👏#SGE | #SGEFCB pic.twitter.com/XjRDqhduni

— Eintracht Frankfurt (@Eintracht) December 10, 2023

-1BL Bremen want to poach 06 RB/W Moreira from 2BL Pauli. Was seen by everyone as best RB at U17 WC. While according to mopo, Pauli has timetable for Moreira and want him to extend.
https://www.90min.de/posts/werder-bremen-will-u17-weltmeister-verpflichten
https://www.mopo.de/sport/fc-st-pau...ra-wie-st-pauli-mit-seinem-weltmeister-plant/


while
-02 RB Rosenboom, looking for 3rd 2BL cap and 1st XI. Although looks to have brokenthrough fixed in matchday squad. He needs to breakthrough soon to avoid loan dumping in Summer as Kiel are 1BL promotion candidate. Usually players who don't play enough get dumped whether loan or perm when a club goes up.
-03 RB/LB Bruckner on Austrian 1st loan still working on 2nd XI
-04 RB Eitschberger, regular fixed XI on 3rd Liga Hallescher loan, had assist in 2-2 D over weekend too. I 100% believe he'll be back at 2BL Hertha in Summer where he'll breakthrough that level next season.
-05 RB Walde with back to back 1BL Gladbach bench. He has a pro contract and seen as someone who should breakthrough according to club. Also Gladbach ONLY loans out players with pro contract so that is another option


rest in 3rd Liga and under.

 

“Develop individual quality”
DFB creates new leagues for U17 & U19: Professional clubs have a secure place - no more relegation battle

DFB youth director Hannes Wolf is convinced that the creation of new leagues for the U17 and U19 areas has created a further building block for the development of future stars. “We want to develop more individual quality,” he said on Monday in a digital media roundtable to introduce the new league concept. “We need all types of players, we can’t lose anyone.” This also applies after the World Cup success of the German U17 national team.

The previous A and B junior Bundesliga will be replaced by DFB youth leagues from the 2024/25 season - without a relegation battle for the young professional clubs, but with more knockout games for the German championship. “So far, half the league has always been in a relegation battle,” said Wolf. According to analyzes by the German Football Association, the pure avoidance of failure, which dominated the top young talent sector, slowed down rather than promoted the development of players.

“It is undisputed that the new structure is better. Winning and losing still play a big role,” he emphasized. “It is an essential building block to develop players even better. In the end, it's about developing the individual quality of the young players." The DFB's youth reform also includes a new training philosophy with small-format games and more ball contact.

“We are pleased that we have taken the next step with the children’s football reform,” said Daniel Feld, head of youth and performance centers at the German Football League. “The U17 and U19 leagues will certainly not solve all the problems.” There are still challenges that still need to be addressed in terms of stringency from children’s football to youth football and the youth leagues right up to the transition area to the professionals.

It is also important what happens “in terms of sports content on the field from Monday to Friday” and what the youth strategy looks like at club level. “Game day is not the only solution, we also have to include it in everyday training,” agrees Wolf. “We need a change in terms of content and across the board.”

An important innovation in the introduction of the DFB youth league is that in future all 56 performance centers from German professional football will have a starting place. There will also be a new substitution rule, according to which it will be possible to replace seven players per team instead of five. The aim is to create a chance for every player in the 18-man squad to play. “It must be prevented that someone sits on the bus for three hours and then returns without using anything,” said Wolf.
https://www.transfermarkt.de/dfb-sc...cher-kein-abstiegskampf-mehr/view/news/431157

 

Meh. Not sure the structure of youth leagues is an issue tbh. The biggest thing by far is to allow dribbling/individual skills to shine, specialist position based training focus and most of all integration by clubs. Youth club trophies should never be a priority especially not at the expense of player progression.

In many ways changes now are not even looking that vital, we are seeing a lot of improvement in previously weak areas when you look at 02-06 talents. A lot of variety and a lot of depth. So clearly some things already look to have improved.

 

-the last of the 3 stooges is leaving DFB in 2023!!!

Abschied nach 20 Jahren: Joti Chatzialexiou verlässt den DFB. Danke für die gemeinsame Zeit & deinen unermüdlichen Einsatz, Joti 🤝
Zur Meldung ➡️ https://t.co/xr4JZvMnY5#dfb | 📷 Thomas Böcker/DFB pic.twitter.com/SdHlvUHBQp

— DFB (Verband) (@DFB) December 12, 2023

-yeah looks like 04 RB/LB Kisilowski is on track for 1st XI at 2BL HSV.
Oliveira is quick and hard-working. Against Paderborn he ran the fastest sprint of all players on the pitch at 34 km/h. And he completed a decent mileage of 6.4 km after being substituted on.

In addition, the player, who can be used flexibly in defense, is quite confident on the ball (only two bad passes in 32 passes). He impresses with good dribbling skills and is strong when he has the ball at his feet.

However, the regular player in Hannes Wolf's (42) U20 national team still has some catching up to do in terms of the number of goal chances he prepares. He proved in Berlin that he can do that with his beautiful pass across the pitch, which resulted in Ransford Königsdörffer's (22) goal making it 3-2.

The big moment for Nicolas-Bernd Oliveira Kisilowski, as his full name is, could come in Nuremberg...
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...chance-fuer-nicolas-olivei-86406922.bild.html

-on 06 AM/W Yalcinkaya

Bilal #Yalcinkaya: Der Vertrag des U17-Weltmeisters läuft zum Saisonende aus. Erste Gespräche zwischen dem @HSV & der Spielerseite haben bereits stattgefunden. Yalcinkaya wird intern sehr geschätzt, trainiert regelmäßig mit den Profis, stand bereits im Zweitligakader.… pic.twitter.com/QpyYe9G8f2

— Philipp Hinze (@philipphinze24) December 11, 2023

-since nobody can dev their own players following Gruda, Dardai, Ramsak the next players that other FAs are TRYING to poach are Brown and Tohumcu.

at this point any dual that farts in pro footy has poaching interest and desire is always stronger when one sees them in Germany jersey.

 

That's typical German... Die sehen den Wald vor lauter Bäumen nicht. They can try to invent stuff they want at youth level.... If they can't make it happen to make plan to integrate youth constantly at 1 or 2 BL then they will not win anything soon at senior level. Period

 

nobody cares about your shit opinions, GTFO we all know your a sad troll. Get a life, you hate Germany and German football but constantly in here for no reason.

 

Good to see Aseko back for Bayern today.

The referee decided for a yellow card.. #UYL pic.twitter.com/tVNEnWBslD

— BayernTalente (@CampusVid2) December 12, 2023

This was actually a great tackle but clownish ref somehow saw it as a foul/yellow. In any case he played pretty well I thought.

 

2nd half of season Aseko needs to go back to XI in II.

then in Summer if no real chances with 1st team (higher ceiling and potential than older Pavlovic) he needs a pro loan.

I think Schneller (no longer youth but 2 years out from injury but now back in II as #1), Hulsmann, Denk, Copado, Aseko, Buchmann, Scholze need to bail in Summer.

 

-04 LB Ullrich is back in training at 1BL Gladbach. Should be in use for 2nd half of season in January. Still trying to breakthrough the 1st team where he has 2 1BL caps.

-03 CF Skolik scored hat trick for FD II over weekend and took his tally to 5 goals in RL. The 1.95m tall player finally scoring as this is his 1st season where he scored in adult footy. If he continues like this, could make himself a candidate for 2BL FD 1st team. Between 03 CF Skolik, 03 CF Bindemann (more recently back from Summer injury) and 05 CF Tito (recently scored his 1st ever RL/adult goal which was also winner), FD does seem to have CF prospects at the club.
https://www.fupa.net/news/fortunas-u23-hat-zeit-zum-durchatmen-2994289

-on successful 2BL Furth loan of 02 W/CF Lemperle
https://www.bild.de/sport/fussball/...-seine-fuerth-entscheidung-86410820.bild.html

-there is talk that 06 CF Brunner might make his CL matchday squad debut tomorrow for Dortmund. Does seem likely that he's bound for pro debut in 2023.

 

DAYUM, on 04 W Gruda

9 - Players from Europe's big five leagues to attempt the most dribbles per 90 minutes (players with 500+ minutes):

Vinícius Júnior - 9.3
➡ Brajan Gruda - 9.2
Matías Soulé - 9.2
Ousmane Dembélé - 9.1
Jérémy Doku - 8.9

Slalom. @Mainz05en

— OptaFranz (@OptaFranz) December 11, 2023

reality 9.1-9.3 is basically the same shit lets be honest so
1 Brazilian, 1 German, 1 Argentinian, 1 French and 1 Belgian on list

in terms of U21, the German, Argentinian and Belgian only ones who fit U21.

But yeah everytime I watch Gruda play, guy dribbles ALL game long. Ball stuck to his feet, on Sunday few times he almost dribbles past entire Koln D but instead of passing across tried going solo. Every single team in 1BL is struggling to contain him, we saw him destroy Bayern and other big clubs too. Constantly fouled by other teams too.

even in Germany U21, he destroyed so many teams with his dribbling.

he comes close to scoring or assisting in every game too. Just needs better finishing and could be mighty interesting player.

 

interesting seeing people wanting 06 RB/W Moreira to go either Dortmund (something I brought up in here) or Bayer (as most expect Frimpong to bail).

the problem most state with 2BL Pauli (his current club and 1BL promotion candidates), 1BL Bremen and Union who are currently going after him according to reports is that these clubs aren't integration clubs. Not only that but these clubs are result obsessed, so integration is doubtful.

but with Dortmund II in 3rd Liga and the club wanting an RB chances there could exist. And then Bayer seems to be club that likes to screw own player but if he jumps directly to 1st team, integration could happen.

 

07 CF Izekor looks on track for pro debut tomorrow!!!!

Ken #Izekor from the #Bayer04 U19 trained with #Bayer04 during the final training today.
So it can be assumed that he will be in the squad tomorrow.

Ken #Izekor aus der #Bayer04 U19 trainierte heute beim Abschlusstraining mit #Bayer04.
Es ist also anzunehmen ,dass er morgen im Kader steht. pic.twitter.com/mUPXSI9qp8

— B04 U Teams (@B04Jugend) December 13, 2023

with him and 07 CF Stange, looking like 2 07 CFs are making pro progress!!!!

 

fantastic run assist by 06 M Watjen and nice finish by 04 W Bamba

Bamba 1-0😄 pic.twitter.com/FldnRYE2Nh

— An-Zaxel Dagadou (@PatrykBVB09) December 13, 2023

Dortmund XI=07 CB Meiser, 07 CB Benkera, 05 CB/DM Posadas, 06 M Watjen, 05 M Lubach, 04 W Bamba, 06 CF Brunner

 

speaking of 07 CF Stange
03 M Krahn, 04 CB Seifert, 04 RB/LB Kisilowski, 05 AM/W Megeed, 06 AM/W Yalcinkaya, 07 CF Stange are all training with 2BL HSV 1st team.

 

06 CF Brunner looking like best player on field, constantly dribbling past 2-3 PSG players and such a nuisance. Should have scored too.

meanwhile, LOL

Ajax are exploring the possibilities of bringing Julian Rijkhoff back to Amsterdam in January.

🗞 @TimvanDuijn14 #BVB

— BVB Newsblog (@bvbnewsblog) December 13, 2023

good riddance, not realistic from Dortmund to have both and everytime they are together Brunner outshines him too.

 

Yeah Brunner is causing a lot of problems for PSG's defence, unlucky not to score. Also strong performances from Watjen & Bamba.

 

Also really good game from Benkara(07) for a young year. And Paris.. damm he s like a mbappe , maybe less quicl but stronger and more agil.

 

the entire D is doing well and this is the 1st ever XI in YL for 07 CB Benkara and 07 CB Meiser too. Both are seen as top talents CBs, Dortmund is spoiled for CBs between 04-Blank, 05-Posadas (also DM), 07-Benkara and 07-Meiser.

even the PSG fans are impressed by Brunner and calling him next German star etc. He also gets likened to a R9 like a mix of R9+Mbappe.

 

FT: BVB U19 2-0 PSG U19

Dortmund and Milan advance into the K.O. stage. PSG and Newcastle are out of the UEFA Youth League.#BVB

— BVB Newsblog (@bvbnewsblog) December 13, 2023

@manimal right now as the French Ls to Germany continues. Your best team PSG embarrassing themselves as they ended up bottom of whole group.

 

So that means Bayern, Dortmund, Leipzig & Mainz will all take part in the YL play offs. I think this is the first time 4 German clubs have progressed to the next stage?

I agree on Dortmund's defensive depth, hope in coming seasons they start to utilise the promising youth they have in defensive areas rather then using mainly mediocre pros in II. Benkara, Meiser & Posadas were pretty untroubled by PSG attack throughout the match.